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Old July 14th 08, 07:39 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
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Default Nicholson's blogs and AAVSO VSX


Mr selfstyled UKASTRONOMY blogged :-

"There is a strange situation developing involving the leading figures
in the AAVSO, VSX the variable star database they created"

What do you mean, the database they created, these leading figures?
Chris Watson wrote a database management engine, AAVSO host it, and
that's that. The database, which a moron like you probably doesn't
realise is the data itself, holds a bunch of catalogues created by
other people, all the groups and surveys and scientists and
researchers who did the actual work, with some few, less than 1%, of
the aavso vsx having new submissions from private individuals. AAVSO
VSX just imports these freely available catalogues into one place,
usually unrevised, just altered to fit their database management
engine's requirements, a mere reformatting (and that had been done
wrong several times and had to be reformatted, due to ignoring sound
advice, which people who know the facts are aware of).

They created nothing datawise. In fact, the person you're always
attacking is the person that advised and recommended and explained how
to import around 80% of the catalogues in the aavso vsx database.
Mike Simonsen's article in BAAVSS circular 36, freely available as a
pdf from baavss website (and containing statements he knows full well
are untrue re quality and completeness of VSX), states a number of
catalogues, most of which were so advised as inclusion catalogues, and
were imported via help and advice from the one UK amateur you complain
about, most of those catalogues wouldn't be there otherwise, as AAVSO
VSX had no idea what to do after importing GCVS and NSV, and Arne
Henden directly and specifically asked for the assistance of the UK
amateur you decry in order to import more data. And further, said
person also was highly instrumental in ensuring that most of the other
stuff that Mike Simonsen mentions, like up to date IBVS entries, were
made available for VSX by putting people in contact each other and
requesting they help VSX, and nagging the leading figures for two
years to pull their finger out and actually import the data into VSX
that people had taken time and effort to create for them, else it
would still be lying on Chris Watson's hard disk somewhere. But you
don't realise people can do things via private email and quietly
without bragging about it or needing their name stuck all over it,
because you find it impossible to think that way. VSX, VSP, VSD,
_all_ have had important advisory input that significantly affects
their usability as data sources, and were incomplete and/or in error
without that advisory input. VSX :- catalogue import. VSP :-
advising to ask Norbert Zacharias for a prelaunch copy of ucac3 to fix
the utter mess created by them using NOMAD, which they'd been strongly
advised against using for years, so they had no excuse, VSD :- use of
SDSS and CMC14/2MASS colour information to transform to V magnitudes.
All advised and shown how to or pointed towards for years. All in
private without blogging everywhere, so people like you can make up
their own garbage to spout without fear of contradicting evidence, it
seems, as not much else has come out of it.

But nope, you've got to start your editorializing again making it seem
like fact, but already weighted to make people think how they're
supposed to think by the wording you use, thus

"There is a strange situation developing involving the leading figures
in the AAVSO, VSX the variable star database they created"

What leading figures? What created database? The engine is one
thing, the data is another. What's strange? Statements of the lack
of completeness? They're true. Advising you that if your variables
have passed AAVSO VSX quality control that you should attempt to
publish them in JAAVSO yourself via a paper submission, instead of
your bleating every six months that AAVSO won't publish them for you?
What's strange about that, scared JAAVSO wouldn't take them because
the quality isn't good enough?

VSX is just an out of date collection of a bunch of other people's
work, with little to none of the data actually having been worked on
by Arne Henden, or Chris Watson, whom latter mostly imported data only
with the aid of the person you castigate, but CW was also aided in
later times by Patrick Wils, else that database would be far, far
smaller even than it is now compared to what actually exists, probably
just a copy of GCVS, NSV and whatever private individuals upped. It
is certainly neither an authoritative nor wholescale critically
revised resource.

You are such a provably lying twisting moron who thinks all is based
on your views and opinions, totally regardless of fact and reality.

You deserve all you don't get.
 




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