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I have read and am in the process of reading some books on the history of the space program. I enjoyed Andrew Chaikin's A Man on the Moon tremendously. I am also in the process of reading This New Ocean and am enjoying it a great deal. I also own a number of others. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions on what books they liked (or did not like) about the space program. Which ones were your favorites and why? Which ones did you dislike? I'll be eager to hear your thoughts. (I have read some others, but I don't want to prejudice people's opinions, so I'm staying quiet for now.) All the best, Rob Langenderfer |
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Hi. I enjoyed Andrew Chaikin's A Man on the Moon tremendously. I am also in the process of reading This New Ocean and am enjoying it a great deal. I also own a number of others. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions on what books they liked (or did not like) about the space program. Which ones were your favorites and why? ....In no particular order: * Tom Kelly's "Moon Lander". I'm currently re-reading this, and it's still as riveting as the first time I read it. It also holds a special place for me as it reveals that my family had a bit of a direct input of sorts into the LM design and proposal phase; when Grumman bought the Gulfgate Gardens apartment complex for office space in 1962, my father was managing the Thornhill's Cafeteria across 610 from the complex. He was in charge of the big Grumman-NASA luncheon that Kely notes in the book, and my pop remembers Tom Kelly eating at the cafeteria on several occasions during the fall of 1962. They had a couple of conversations about several things - mostly about life in Houston for someone not used to its unique brand of humidity, where to get your car serviced by a mechanic who won't cut your fan belts just to make a few extra bucks, etc - but one that stood out was Kelly's lament that he wouldn't be home for Thanksgiving with his family due to contract negotiations dragging out a bit longer than anyone expected. ....That, counting Pop's encounter with Gus Grissom at a friend's gun shop when Gus needed his hunting rifle serviced, shows that I've got some personal link to the Glory Days besides my personal one - the Windows background I did a while back that I'm told by some NASA OMBloggers is their background on their workstations at JPL and KSC: http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld/image...rion-Flyby.jpg * Murray & Cox's "Apollo: Race to the Moon". This is really the "companion piece" to Andy's book, and one of these days I need to get ..TXT versions of both and mesh them together. They tend to fill in each other's gaps, although M&C did one thing that I found fault with - they skimped on the missions following A13 quite a bit. Those missions were just as important as A11 or A13 - in fact, each mission deserves the same amount of coverage - extensive! Still, it's a great read, although it's a hard-to-find book these days, as IIRC it's out of print still. There might be a downloable PDF version, but don't quote me on this until someone else here backs this up. * Scott Carpenter's book, "For Spacious Skies". Gives some good insight into how Scotty ticked while the other Original Seven tocked, as well as into the early days of the program itself. Scott's daughter was lurking around here when she was writing the book, so some of us had some influence on how the book came out. Contrary to some, she was not hiding as Bbo Hallr or one of the Maxson trash :-) :-) * Gene Kranz' book. This is actually a better book for understanding what being the Flight Director is all about, even moreso than Chris Kraft's. It gives you a full understanding of what kind of person Kranz was, and how he was able to withstand the pressures longer than any other person to hold the position of "Flight", and would probably still be there today in that position if his wife could still come up with unique white vest designs. * Sy Liebergot's book. This one will give you incredible insight on the other Flight Controller's jobs and lives, especially that of an EECOM whose mission has just turned into **** and might just take three lives down the drain with it. Sy was a regular around here for a while, but the trolling trash has sort of reduced him to lurking status these days. And people still wonder why I feel trolls should be executed on live TV during prime time hours... * Asif Siddiqi's "Challenge to Apollo", which IIRC is now available as a downloadable PDF for free. Still, I bought the original print version, which is a book so thick and heavy that when it was released the regulars here non-jokingly suggested that a sticker be appled warning readers not to set this book on the edge of a coffee table if small children were playing close by. The book was so damn heavy that it would have crushed a small child had it fallen on them! Still, once you get used to reading a book while suspended by a crane, you'll find that this one is probably the most comprehensive historical analsis of the first four decades of the Soviet space program. It's a must-read! * Lovell & Kluger's "Lost Moon". What Opie either glossed over or didn't show you on "Apollo 13", this book will go into the details. The only complaint I've heard is that some sections tend to bog down a bit, but despite the subject matter this isn't an action-advenure novel. It's a historical record of an event as told by the commander of that mission, and damn well worth the read! * Phil Plait's "Bad Astronomy". The book that doesn't put "paid" to the Moon Hoax Morons as much as it sends them a bill for wasting everyone's time with their bull**** hoax theories. Read this, and then use it to beat sense into any moon hoax moron you come across! * Roger Bilstine's "Stages to Saturn". This one's online at: http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4206/sp4206.htm * Angle of Attack: Harrison Storms and the Race to the Moon. One of the more "action-packed" books on the Apollo program, but there's a caveat he according to a *lot* of sources, this book is essentially a reworking of a movie script that Stormy was working on to present North American's work on the Apollo CM and S-II components in a far "brighter" light than they were cast in during the events preceeding and following the Apollo I fire. Great insight on the difficulties in fabricating the S-II stages, tho. * Mike Collin's "Lift-Off!" Mike wrote this more for young adults, but it's still an excelent primer for those wanting to know what the Glory Years were all about. IIRC, it also holds the distinction of being the first book to publish a comparison sketch of all the Mercury proposals, which started quite a number of threads on .policy when the book was first released - .history wasn't around back then! * "We Seven". Sure, it's ghostwriten from start to finish, but it'll still give you just as much understanding about the myths behind "The Right Stuff" as Wolfe's book simply by telling you the myths. ....One place I can recommend that you check out for any of these books used - and hopefully cheaper - is Boggs Spacebooks: http://www.boggsspace.com/ ....They're essentially the only ones who can "spam" the group without everyone jumping on their ass, because they're an honest, reputable supplier and they only post sale information on a really rare basis. There's only one other person whose "spam" efforts are tolerated, and that's because Scott Hedrick is also as reputa...wait, what am I saying! :-) Which ones did you dislike? ....The first one that comes to mind that I've read was "Moon Shot". Benedict and Barbree's ghost-writing of Al Shepard and Deke Slayton's "autobiography" is so full of errors that it's become the "ultimate bad joke" around here since it first saw print. The four-hour documentary series produced in conjunction with it was more accurate, and far more entertaining. ....Others here have bashed one other book by one of the Shuttle-MIR Astronauts, but I can't recall which one that was. "Dragonfly", perhaps? Either way, it was basically blown off as the blatherings of a disgruntled Astronaut. ....Another such book - probably the worst of the lot - was Brian T. O'Leary's "Making of an Ex-Astronaut". The whole book is nothing but a "poor li'l ol' me, beaten up by the big bad test pilots and chased off because I was a wuss!" pile of whinings that aren't worth the sacrifice the trees made to provide the paper. O'Leary is probably the best prime example for the *wrong* stuff, and should you happen to have the time to waste reading his blatherings be prepared to take all of his complaints about NASA and the Astronaut training processes with at least two pounds of salt per whine. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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Michael Collins' "Carrying the Fire" is a must-read.
Michael Light's "Full Moon" is an arresting visual documentary of the lunar landings I'd be remiss if I didn't mention "The First Space Race," my (coauthored) book on the events up to and including the Sputnik- Vanguard-Explorer flights. (Texas A&M University Press, 2004). Matt Bille Sci/Tech news and comment: http//:mattbille.blogspot.com |
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On Jun 12, 1:50*pm, OM wrote:
wrote: Hi. I enjoyed Andrew Chaikin's A Man on the Moon tremendously. *I am also in the process of reading This New Ocean and am enjoying it a great deal. *I also own a number of others. *Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions on what books they liked (or did not like) about the space program. *Which ones were your favorites and why? ...In no particular order: * Tom Kelly's "Moon Lander". I'm currently re-reading this, and it's still as riveting as the first time I read it. It also holds a special place for me as it reveals that my family had a bit of a direct input of sorts into the LM design and proposal phase; when Grumman bought the Gulfgate Gardens apartment complex for office space in 1962, my father was managing the Thornhill's Cafeteria across 610 from the complex. He was in charge of the big Grumman-NASA luncheon that Kely notes in the book, and my pop remembers Tom Kelly eating at the cafeteria on several occasions during the fall of 1962. They had a couple of conversations about several things - mostly about life in Houston for someone not used to its unique brand of humidity, where to get your car serviced by a mechanic who won't cut your fan belts just to make a few extra bucks, etc - but one that stood out was Kelly's lament that he wouldn't be home for Thanksgiving with his family due to contract negotiations dragging out a bit longer than anyone expected. ...That, counting Pop's encounter with Gus Grissom at a friend's gun shop when Gus needed his hunting rifle serviced, shows that I've got some personal link to the Glory Days besides my personal one - the Windows background I did a while back that I'm told by some NASA OMBloggers is their background on their workstations at JPL and KSC: http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld/image...rion-Flyby.jpg * Murray & Cox's "Apollo: Race to the Moon". This is really the "companion piece" to Andy's book, and one of these days I need to get .TXT versions of both and mesh them together. They tend to fill in each other's gaps, although M&C did one thing that I found fault with - they skimped on the missions following A13 quite a bit. Those missions were just as important as A11 or A13 - in fact, each mission deserves the same amount of coverage - extensive! Still, it's a great read, although it's a hard-to-find book these days, as IIRC it's out of print still. There might be a downloable PDF version, but don't quote me on this until someone else here backs this up. * Scott Carpenter's book, "For Spacious Skies". Gives some good insight into how Scotty ticked while the other Original Seven tocked, as well as into the early days of the program itself. Scott's daughter was lurking around here when she was writing the book, so some of us had some influence on how the book came out. Contrary to some, she was not hiding as Bbo Hallr or one of the Maxson trash :-) :-) * Gene Kranz' book. This is actually a better book for understanding what being the Flight Director is all about, even moreso than Chris Kraft's. It gives you a full understanding of what kind of person Kranz was, and how he was able to withstand the pressures longer than any other person to hold the position of "Flight", and would probably still be there today in that position if his wife could still come up with unique white vest designs. * Sy Liebergot's book. This one will give you incredible insight on the other Flight Controller's jobs and lives, especially that of an EECOM whose mission has just turned into **** and might just take three lives down the drain with it. Sy was a regular around here for a while, but the trolling trash has sort of reduced him to lurking status these days. And people still wonder why I feel trolls should be executed on live TV during prime time hours... * Asif Siddiqi's "Challenge to Apollo", which IIRC is now available as a downloadable PDF for free. Still, I bought the original print version, which is a book so thick and heavy that when it was released the regulars here non-jokingly suggested that a sticker be appled warning readers not to set this book on the edge of a coffee table if small children were playing close by. The book was so damn heavy that it would have crushed a small child had it fallen on them! Still, once you get used to reading a book while suspended by a crane, you'll find that this one is probably the most comprehensive historical analsis of the first four decades of the Soviet space program. It's a must-read! * Lovell & Kluger's "Lost Moon". What Opie either glossed over or didn't show you on "Apollo 13", this book will go into the details. The only complaint I've heard is that some sections tend to bog down a bit, but despite the subject matter this isn't an action-advenure novel. It's a historical record of an event as told by the commander of that mission, and damn well worth the read! * Phil Plait's "Bad Astronomy". The book that doesn't put "paid" to the Moon Hoax Morons as much as it sends them a bill for wasting everyone's time with their bull**** hoax theories. Read this, and then use it to beat sense into any moon hoax moron you come across! * Roger Bilstine's "Stages to Saturn". This one's online at:http://history..nasa.gov/SP-4206/sp4206.htm * Angle of Attack: Harrison Storms and the Race to the Moon. One of the more "action-packed" books on the Apollo program, but there's a caveat he according to a *lot* of sources, this book is essentially a reworking of a movie script that Stormy was working on to present North American's work on the Apollo CM and S-II components in a far "brighter" light than they were cast in during the events preceeding and following the Apollo I fire. Great insight on the difficulties in fabricating the S-II stages, tho. * Mike Collin's "Lift-Off!" Mike wrote this more for young adults, but it's still an excelent primer for those wanting to know what the Glory Years were all about. IIRC, it also holds the distinction of being the first book to publish a comparison sketch of all the Mercury proposals, which started quite a number of threads on .policy when the book was first released - .history wasn't around back then! * "We Seven". Sure, it's ghostwriten from start to finish, but it'll still give you just as much understanding about the myths behind "The Right Stuff" as Wolfe's book simply by telling you the myths. ...One place I can recommend that you check out for any of these books used - and hopefully cheaper - is Boggs Spacebooks: http://www.boggsspace.com/ ...They're essentially the only ones who can "spam" the group without everyone jumping on their ass, because they're an honest, reputable supplier and they only post sale information on a really rare basis. There's only one other person whose "spam" efforts are tolerated, and that's because Scott Hedrick is also as reputa...wait, what am I saying! :-) Which ones did you dislike? ...The first one that comes to mind that I've read was "Moon Shot". Benedict and Barbree's ghost-writing of Al Shepard and Deke Slayton's "autobiography" is so full of errors that it's become the "ultimate bad joke" around here since it first saw print. The four-hour documentary series produced in conjunction with it was more accurate, and far more entertaining. ...Others here have bashed one other book by one of the Shuttle-MIR Astronauts, but I can't recall which one that was. "Dragonfly", perhaps? Either way, it was basically blown off as the blatherings of a disgruntled Astronaut. ...Another such book - probably the worst of the lot - was Brian T. O'Leary's "Making of an Ex-Astronaut". The whole book is nothing but a "poor li'l ol' me, beaten up by the big bad test pilots and chased off because I was a wuss!" pile of whinings that aren't worth the sacrifice the trees made to provide the paper. O'Leary is probably the best prime example for the *wrong* stuff, and should you happen to have the time to waste reading his blatherings be prepared to take all of his complaints about NASA and the Astronaut training processes with at least two pounds of salt per whine. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * OM -- * *]=====================================[ * *] * OMBlog -http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld* [ * *] * * * *Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* * * * * [ * *] * * * * *an obnoxious opinion in your day! * * * * * [ * *]=====================================[ Dragonfly is a book by an investigative journalist that details problems that occurred on missions to Mir while several NASA astronauts were stationed there. Jerry Linenger was the main NASA astronaut on whom the book centered. I listened to Dragonfly on audio, and it was very engaging. Has anyone read Buzz Aldrin's Men from Earth and First Man by James Hansen? I am enjoying both of them. I have had problems with Moonshot too. Since it isn't told in first person, at all, it doesn't feel at all like you are getting the experiences of the astronauts. I don't know why they even put their names on the cover. I intend to finish it eventually, but it hasn't done much to inspire me to continue with it. All the best, Rob I still intend to finish it |
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On Jun 12, 3:50*pm, wrote:
On Jun 12, 1:50*pm, OM wrote: wrote: Hi. I enjoyed Andrew Chaikin's A Man on the Moon tremendously. *I am also in the process of reading This New Ocean and am enjoying it a great deal. *I also own a number of others. *Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions on what books they liked (or did not like) about the space program. *Which ones were your favorites and why? ...In no particular order: * Tom Kelly's "Moon Lander". I'm currently re-reading this, and it's still as riveting as the first time I read it. It also holds a special place for me as it reveals that my family had a bit of a direct input of sorts into the LM design and proposal phase; when Grumman bought the Gulfgate Gardens apartment complex for office space in 1962, my father was managing the Thornhill's Cafeteria across 610 from the complex. He was in charge of the big Grumman-NASA luncheon that Kely notes in the book, and my pop remembers Tom Kelly eating at the cafeteria on several occasions during the fall of 1962. They had a couple of conversations about several things - mostly about life in Houston for someone not used to its unique brand of humidity, where to get your car serviced by a mechanic who won't cut your fan belts just to make a few extra bucks, etc - but one that stood out was Kelly's lament that he wouldn't be home for Thanksgiving with his family due to contract negotiations dragging out a bit longer than anyone expected. ...That, counting Pop's encounter with Gus Grissom at a friend's gun shop when Gus needed his hunting rifle serviced, shows that I've got some personal link to the Glory Days besides my personal one - the Windows background I did a while back that I'm told by some NASA OMBloggers is their background on their workstations at JPL and KSC: http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld/image...rion-Flyby.jpg * Murray & Cox's "Apollo: Race to the Moon". This is really the "companion piece" to Andy's book, and one of these days I need to get .TXT versions of both and mesh them together. They tend to fill in each other's gaps, although M&C did one thing that I found fault with - they skimped on the missions following A13 quite a bit. Those missions were just as important as A11 or A13 - in fact, each mission deserves the same amount of coverage - extensive! Still, it's a great read, although it's a hard-to-find book these days, as IIRC it's out of print still. There might be a downloable PDF version, but don't quote me on this until someone else here backs this up. * Scott Carpenter's book, "For Spacious Skies". Gives some good insight into how Scotty ticked while the other Original Seven tocked, as well as into the early days of the program itself. Scott's daughter was lurking around here when she was writing the book, so some of us had some influence on how the book came out. Contrary to some, she was not hiding as Bbo Hallr or one of the Maxson trash :-) :-) * Gene Kranz' book. This is actually a better book for understanding what being the Flight Director is all about, even moreso than Chris Kraft's. It gives you a full understanding of what kind of person Kranz was, and how he was able to withstand the pressures longer than any other person to hold the position of "Flight", and would probably still be there today in that position if his wife could still come up with unique white vest designs. * Sy Liebergot's book. This one will give you incredible insight on the other Flight Controller's jobs and lives, especially that of an EECOM whose mission has just turned into **** and might just take three lives down the drain with it. Sy was a regular around here for a while, but the trolling trash has sort of reduced him to lurking status these days. And people still wonder why I feel trolls should be executed on live TV during prime time hours... * Asif Siddiqi's "Challenge to Apollo", which IIRC is now available as a downloadable PDF for free. Still, I bought the original print version, which is a book so thick and heavy that when it was released the regulars here non-jokingly suggested that a sticker be appled warning readers not to set this book on the edge of a coffee table if small children were playing close by. The book was so damn heavy that it would have crushed a small child had it fallen on them! Still, once you get used to reading a book while suspended by a crane, you'll find that this one is probably the most comprehensive historical analsis of the first four decades of the Soviet space program. It's a must-read! * Lovell & Kluger's "Lost Moon". What Opie either glossed over or didn't show you on "Apollo 13", this book will go into the details. The only complaint I've heard is that some sections tend to bog down a bit, but despite the subject matter this isn't an action-advenure novel. It's a historical record of an event as told by the commander of that mission, and damn well worth the read! * Phil Plait's "Bad Astronomy". The book that doesn't put "paid" to the Moon Hoax Morons as much as it sends them a bill for wasting everyone's time with their bull**** hoax theories. Read this, and then use it to beat sense into any moon hoax moron you come across! * Roger Bilstine's "Stages to Saturn". This one's online at:http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4206/sp4206.htm * Angle of Attack: Harrison Storms and the Race to the Moon. One of the more "action-packed" books on the Apollo program, but there's a caveat he according to a *lot* of sources, this book is essentially a reworking of a movie script that Stormy was working on to present North American's work on the Apollo CM and S-II components in a far "brighter" light than they were cast in during the events preceeding and following the Apollo I fire. Great insight on the difficulties in fabricating the S-II stages, tho. * Mike Collin's "Lift-Off!" Mike wrote this more for young adults, but it's still an excelent primer for those wanting to know what the Glory Years were all about. IIRC, it also holds the distinction of being the first book to publish a comparison sketch of all the Mercury proposals, which started quite a number of threads on .policy when the book was first released - .history wasn't around back then! * "We Seven". Sure, it's ghostwriten from start to finish, but it'll still give you just as much understanding about the myths behind "The Right Stuff" as Wolfe's book simply by telling you the myths. ...One place I can recommend that you check out for any of these books used - and hopefully cheaper - is Boggs Spacebooks: http://www.boggsspace.com/ ...They're essentially the only ones who can "spam" the group without everyone jumping on their ass, because they're an honest, reputable supplier and they only post sale information on a really rare basis. There's only one other person whose "spam" efforts are tolerated, and that's because Scott Hedrick is also as reputa...wait, what am I saying! :-) Which ones did you dislike? ...The first one that comes to mind that I've read was "Moon Shot". Benedict and Barbree's ghost-writing of Al Shepard and Deke Slayton's "autobiography" is so full of errors that it's become the "ultimate bad joke" around here since it first saw print. The four-hour documentary series produced in conjunction with it was more accurate, and far more entertaining. ...Others here have bashed one other book by one of the Shuttle-MIR Astronauts, but I can't recall which one that was. "Dragonfly", perhaps? Either way, it was basically blown off as the blatherings of a disgruntled Astronaut. ...Another such book - probably the worst of the lot - was Brian T. O'Leary's "Making of an Ex-Astronaut". The whole book is nothing but a "poor li'l ol' me, beaten up by the big bad test pilots and chased off because I was a wuss!" pile of whinings that aren't worth the sacrifice the trees made to provide the paper. O'Leary is probably the best prime example for the *wrong* stuff, and should you happen to have the time to waste reading his blatherings be prepared to take all of his complaints about NASA and the Astronaut training processes with at least two pounds of salt per whine. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * OM -- * *]=====================================[ * *] * OMBlog -http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld*[ * *] * * * *Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* * * * * [ * *] * * * * *an obnoxious opinion in your day! * * * * * [ * *]=====================================[ Dragonfly is a book by an investigative journalist that details problems that occurred on missions to Mir while several NASA astronauts were stationed there. *Jerry Linenger was the main NASA astronaut on whom the book centered. I listened to Dragonfly on audio, and it was very engaging. *Has anyone read Buzz Aldrin's Men from Earth and First Man by James Hansen? *I am enjoying both of them. *I have had problems with Moonshot too. *Since it isn't told in first person, at all, it doesn't feel at all like you are getting the experiences of the astronauts. *I don't know why they even put their names on the cover. *I intend to finish it eventually, but it hasn't done much to inspire me to continue with it. All the best, Rob I still intend to finish it- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Currently, I am reading "How Apollo Flew to the Moon" by W. David Woods. It is different in that it spends less time with the politics and the personalities involved and more on the "nuts & bolts" of how it was done. It is a techno-geek's delight describing the technologies and mechanics of how the flights were accomplished. If you are the kind of person that watches launches and wishes that you could listen to the ground and air to ground communications loops, instead of the reporters and the PAO . . . this is probably the kind of book you would like. The book has some interesting tidbits and hints of things as well. Apollo 16's Ken Mattingly was quoted regarding about how careful he was to ensure the LM and CM were properly aligned prior to hard- docking. Mattingly noted that NASA management had "busted" the Apollo 15 crew for forcing the two craft together during docking. Apparently 16 had better results in terms of alignment, but Mattingly stated that the effort was "pretty expensive" in RCS fuel. I am only half way through, but so far, I am loving it, so I would (conditionally) recommend it. take care . . . John |
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![]() wrote: I'll be eager to hear your thoughts. (I have read some others, but I don't want to prejudice people's opinions, so I'm staying quiet for now.) For the history of the Soviet space program, it's hard to beat "Challenge To Apollo" by Asif Siddiqi, which is available as a free PDF download - although it takes a while to download, as it's a very big book (over 1,000 pages): http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...2000122281.pdf Other ones I enjoyed were "Korolev" by James Harford (ISBN 0-471-14853-9, 1997), which is the story of the head of the Soviet manned space program; "The Heavens And The Earth" by Walter A. McDougall (ISBN 0-465-02887-X, 1985) which is the story behind the politics of early space exploration; and "Dragonfly" by Bryan Burrough (ISBN 0-88730-783-3, 1998) about the Shuttle missions to the Mir space station. ....and if you are into the history of rockets and spaceflight in fact and fiction for the past couple of thousand years (it starts in 360 BC), Ron Miller's huge and profusely illustrated "The Dream Machines" (ISBN 0-89464-039-9, 1993) which gives a year-by-year account of how the concept of spaceflight came about, and the machines intended to do it (if you are looking for some obscure space project from NASA or the aerospace industry in the 1940's - 1980s, this is the first place to go to). This is just about the perfect book to kill a few hours with on a rainy day as its chronological layout means it can be just picked up and dived into at any point. Pat |
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![]() "OM" wrote in message ... There's only one other person whose "spam" efforts are tolerated, and that's because Scott Hedrick is also as reputa...wait, what am I saying! :-) OK, Stumpy, I'm breeding ninja termites for your new leg. They aren't monkeys, but they do have colorful personalities :P ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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About my last (untrimmed) post . . . my apologies to the group.
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT), John
wrote: About my last (untrimmed) post . . . my apologies to the group. ....Dammit! Which one of you dopes e-mailed him about that? I was about to jump his ass over it! :-( :-( :-( OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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