Open letter to Michael Griffin

Hi Mr. Griffin,

I'd like to take President Reagan up on the offer for a "free" External
Tank. I'd like the next one, would you please store it somewhere on the
Space Station for me.

Thanks,
--
Craig Fink
Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @

"Craig Fink" wrote in message
...
Hi Mr. Griffin,

I'd like to take President Reagan up on the offer for a "free" External
Tank. I'd like the next one, would you please store it somewhere on the
Space Station for me.

Thanks,
--
Craig Fink
Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @

I thought we went through this last week. It isn't going to happen.

Are you off your meds or something? Are the upcoming holidays stressing you
out or something? You seem a lot nuttier than usual. You're approaching
killfile potential.

Jeff
--
"When transportation is cheap, frequent, reliable, and flexible,
everything else becomes easier."
- Jon Goff

Well, no response from Mr. Griffin yet. :-(

Mr. Griffin may not even know about President Reagan's offer, may not even
care about President Reagan's offer, and may be only concerned with
maintaining the status quo at his agency. Oh, well.

Looks like I need to take a different approach to get my Free External Tank.
Who is the right person to write? So, that I'm not wasting my time? The one
who might be able to....

Hummm, that would be Congress. They control the purse strings. A nice little
piece of legislation my get my my Free ET. A new law ... something along
the lines of ...

NASA cannot fund, design, build...operate, participate in the Earth to LEO,
LEO to Earth transportation, other than paying for the price of a ticket to
accomplish science and manned exploration of the Moon, Mars and Solar
System.

That should carve out a nice chunk for a "free" market in LEO to grow and
fill. NASA manned exploration would have to begin and end in LEO, all
transportation to and from LEO and Earth would be purchased on the
open "free" market at market prices. Essentially cutting the legs out from
underneath NASA, giving NASA the motivation to help Private Enterprise
become successful in building a "free" open market in LEO. Something
Private Enterprise wants to do anyway. It would also give confidence to
investors to invest their money in manned LEO transportation systems. Every
can see, NASA really does want to explore the Moon and Mars again,
including Private Enterprise and the American Public.

I'd call this a Win-Win situation, NASA wins, Private Enterprise wins.

Anybody else interested in helping work on a bill to nurture and develop a
LEO market. A change like this might take five or ten years to get passed,
and might need a little more work. Things like, what to do with the Space
Station.

Just a Thought,

--
Craig Fink
Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @
--

Jeff Findley wrote:


"Craig Fink" wrote in message
...
Hi Mr. Griffin,

I'd like to take President Reagan up on the offer for a "free" External
Tank. I'd like the next one, would you please store it somewhere on the
Space Station for me.

Thanks,
--
Craig Fink
Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @

I thought we went through this last week. It isn't going to happen.

Are you off your meds or something? Are the upcoming holidays stressing
you
out or something? You seem a lot nuttier than usual. You're approaching
killfile potential.

I didn't know that Mr. Griffin and Mr. Findley were one and the same?

Please decide what you want to do with your filters, it makes no difference
to me one way or the other. I've been very patient with you. My posting
style is mine, not yours, and please do not include "me" in your "we", if
you see me respond to you, it's not you I'm responding to, unless you see
something in your in-basket. And when I say "you", it's not you Mr.
Findley, "we" have discussed nothing. And, if you have no idea what I am
talking about and are confused, so what, Mr. Findley. My patience with you
is wearing thin, but that's my problem, not yours, have a nice day. :-)

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:46:02 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:

Are you off your meds or something?

....You know, I think I know what my NYE resolution is: to finally
compile that Suggested Troll Killfile List for sci.space.*. As it
stands now, Fink's like 6th on the list, just under the
Bickersons...er...the Chumpko-McCall couple.

OM
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"OM" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:46:02 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:

Are you off your meds or something?

...You know, I think I know what my NYE resolution is: to finally
compile that Suggested Troll Killfile List for sci.space.*. As it
stands now, Fink's like 6th on the list, just under the
Bickersons...er...the Chumpko-McCall couple.

I recently added Fink to mine. He's really gone off the deep end lately.

Jeff
--
"When transportation is cheap, frequent, reliable, and flexible,
everything else becomes easier."
- Jon Goff

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:13:56 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:

...You know, I think I know what my NYE resolution is: to finally
compile that Suggested Troll Killfile List for sci.space.*. As it
stands now, Fink's like 6th on the list, just under the
Bickersons...er...the Chumpko-McCall couple.

I recently added Fink to mine. He's really gone off the deep end lately.

....Here's the list that I have so far, in no particular order at this
time in termse of severity:

Brad Guth
Bob Haller
Erik Chomko
Fred J. McCall
scott grissom
Craig Fink
Tommy Lee Elfritz
*Anyone* with the last name of Maxson
Andre Lieven
Stuf4 AKA "~CT"
LIBERATOR
Leopold Stotch
"The Commentator"
Danny Dot - or whatever he's going by now? Deger?
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
"Jonathan"

....Now, a couple of these may no longer be out there, as I've seen
nothing of them in terms of having been quoted for a while. But
looking back through google groups, if everyone killfiled these
trolling *******s, about 75% of the trash on all three groups would be
eliminated. In the case of .policy, this would equate to about 5000
posts a month, if not a week, that we wouldn't have to wade through.

....What I'd need to make this list work best is to include specific
reasons why they should be sent to Killfile Hell. In the case of scum
like ElfNazi, even one anti-semitic post is justification enough,
while in the case of Chumpko & McCall, just one lovers' spat and the
observation that this has been going on for years would suffice, not
to mention examples of their own trollish nature. The Maxson Family
Values - or lack thereof - are easily googleable, and the patridork of
the family has his own insanity hung out like bloody sheets on his own
website. The evidence is there, we just need to compile it
accordingly. For example:

Alias Used:
Real Name (if known):
Known E-Mail Address(es), fake or real:
Primary Justification For Killfiling:
Best Example Of Evidence Cited:
Additional Links To Evidence:

....Again, it wouldn't be that hard to compile it if everyone pitched
in.

....I should add that there's a catch to this one: whoever gets added
to the list should be a troll that's accepted as such by a majority.
If, say, you're Hoppy and you can't stand Pat's posts while pretty
much everyone else at least tolerates his posts, then put him in
*your* killfile and let everyone else make their own decision. The
list isn't to censor and/or stifle valid disagreements, it's to
eliminate trolling *******s. There *IS* a difference, which is why
you'll note that I don't have Rand listed in my sample list, even
though he's sharing a cell in part of my killfile with Brad Guth right
now.

Bottom Line: We can reduced the severity of the troll infestation on
the sci.space groups if we take the necessary steps to make everyone
aware of who the acknowledged trolls are. Several of them use the same
standard tactics to catch the n00bs and the clueless off guard - you
know, post something interesting, then twist the resulting thread into
some insane CT nutter pile of hot, steaming, festering bull**** - and
having a regularly-posted list like this will give the rest of us
something to refer them to when they start replying to the trolls.

And if we eliminate the trolls this way, we can get back many of the
serious posters who left because of them.

OM
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Killfiles are for the weak. I'm glad I'm in yours as I live up to your
creed of being obnoxious enough to make your day! ha-ha

Your list reminds me of Nixon's enemies list. You do seem quite
Nixonian in your own right. LOL!!


On Nov 20, 3:04 pm, OM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:13:56 -0500, "Jeff Findley"

wrote:
...You know, I think I know what my NYE resolution is: to finally
compile that Suggested Troll Killfile List for sci.space.*. As it
stands now, Fink's like 6th on the list, just under the
Bickersons...er...the Chumpko-McCall couple.

I recently added Fink to mine. He's really gone off the deep end lately.

...Here's the list that I have so far, in no particular order at this
time in termse of severity:

Brad Guth
Bob Haller
Erik Chomko
Fred J. McCall
scott grissom
Craig Fink
Tommy Lee Elfritz
*Anyone* with the last name of Maxson
Andre Lieven
Stuf4 AKA "~CT"
LIBERATOR
Leopold Stotch
"The Commentator"
Danny Dot - or whatever he's going by now? Deger?
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
"Jonathan"

...Now, a couple of these may no longer be out there, as I've seen
nothing of them in terms of having been quoted for a while. But
looking back through google groups, if everyone killfiled these
trolling *******s, about 75% of the trash on all three groups would be
eliminated. In the case of .policy, this would equate to about 5000
posts a month, if not a week, that we wouldn't have to wade through.

...What I'd need to make this list work best is to include specific
reasons why they should be sent to Killfile Hell. In the case of scum
like ElfNazi, even one anti-semitic post is justification enough,
while in the case of Chumpko & McCall, just one lovers' spat and the
observation that this has been going on for years would suffice, not
to mention examples of their own trollish nature. The Maxson Family
Values - or lack thereof - are easily googleable, and the patridork of
the family has his own insanity hung out like bloody sheets on his own
website. The evidence is there, we just need to compile it
accordingly. For example:

Alias Used:
Real Name (if known):
Known E-Mail Address(es), fake or real:
Primary Justification For Killfiling:
Best Example Of Evidence Cited:
Additional Links To Evidence:

...Again, it wouldn't be that hard to compile it if everyone pitched
in.

...I should add that there's a catch to this one: whoever gets added
to the list should be a troll that's accepted as such by a majority.
If, say, you're Hoppy and you can't stand Pat's posts while pretty
much everyone else at least tolerates his posts, then put him in
*your* killfile and let everyone else make their own decision. The
list isn't to censor and/or stifle valid disagreements, it's to
eliminate trolling *******s. There *IS* a difference, which is why
you'll note that I don't have Rand listed in my sample list, even
though he's sharing a cell in part of my killfile with Brad Guth right
now.

Bottom Line: We can reduced the severity of the troll infestation on
the sci.space groups if we take the necessary steps to make everyone
aware of who the acknowledged trolls are. Several of them use the same
standard tactics to catch the n00bs and the clueless off guard - you
know, post something interesting, then twist the resulting thread into
some insane CT nutter pile of hot, steaming, festering bull**** - and
having a regularly-posted list like this will give the rest of us
something to refer them to when they start replying to the trolls.

And if we eliminate the trolls this way, we can get back many of the
serious posters who left because of them.

OM
--
]=====================================[
] OMBlog -http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [
] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [
] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [
]=====================================[

OM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:13:56 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:

...You know, I think I know what my NYE resolution is: to finally
compile that Suggested Troll Killfile List for sci.space.*. As it
stands now, Fink's like 6th on the list, just under the
Bickersons...er...the Chumpko-McCall couple.
I recently added Fink to mine. He's really gone off the deep end lately.

...Here's the list that I have so far, in no particular order at this
time in termse of severity:

Brad Guth
Bob Haller
Erik Chomko
Fred J. McCall
scott grissom
Craig Fink
Tommy Lee Elfritz
*Anyone* with the last name of Maxson
Andre Lieven
Stuf4 AKA "~CT"
LIBERATOR
Leopold Stotch
"The Commentator"
Danny Dot - or whatever he's going by now? Deger?
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
"Jonathan"

...Now, a couple of these may no longer be out there, as I've seen
nothing of them in terms of having been quoted for a while. But
looking back through google groups, if everyone killfiled these
trolling *******s, about 75% of the trash on all three groups would be
eliminated. In the case of .policy, this would equate to about 5000
posts a month, if not a week, that we wouldn't have to wade through.

...What I'd need to make this list work best is to include specific
reasons why they should be sent to Killfile Hell. In the case of scum
like ElfNazi, even one anti-semitic post is justification enough,
while in the case of Chumpko & McCall, just one lovers' spat and the
observation that this has been going on for years would suffice, not
to mention examples of their own trollish nature. The Maxson Family
Values - or lack thereof - are easily googleable, and the patridork of
the family has his own insanity hung out like bloody sheets on his own
website. The evidence is there, we just need to compile it
accordingly. For example:

Alias Used:
Real Name (if known):
Known E-Mail Address(es), fake or real:
Primary Justification For Killfiling:
Best Example Of Evidence Cited:
Additional Links To Evidence:

...Again, it wouldn't be that hard to compile it if everyone pitched
in.

...I should add that there's a catch to this one: whoever gets added
to the list should be a troll that's accepted as such by a majority.
If, say, you're Hoppy and you can't stand Pat's posts while pretty
much everyone else at least tolerates his posts, then put him in
*your* killfile and let everyone else make their own decision. The
list isn't to censor and/or stifle valid disagreements, it's to
eliminate trolling *******s. There *IS* a difference, which is why
you'll note that I don't have Rand listed in my sample list, even
though he's sharing a cell in part of my killfile with Brad Guth right
now.

Bottom Line: We can reduced the severity of the troll infestation on
the sci.space groups if we take the necessary steps to make everyone
aware of who the acknowledged trolls are. Several of them use the same
standard tactics to catch the n00bs and the clueless off guard - you
know, post something interesting, then twist the resulting thread into
some insane CT nutter pile of hot, steaming, festering bull**** - and
having a regularly-posted list like this will give the rest of us
something to refer them to when they start replying to the trolls.

And if we eliminate the trolls this way, we can get back many of the
serious posters who left because of them.

Serious posters? Surely you jest. Only fascists like you would propose
the elimination of trolls and crackpots. In America, we celebrate them.

This is nothing here, try over at sci.environment if you want trolls.

OM, I've read some of your post. What I've found is that 1 in a 100 are
good. Usually, it's on the subject of History. Consider writing more on
that subject. The other 99 is why I don't read much of it, or those who
regularly respond to you.

Consider, this is Usenet, the subject is sci.space.*, I wouldn't want my
child reading a lot of the stuff you post. I'm sure many of the regulars
here with children who wouldn't want them reading a lot of your post. This
isn't a bar. I'd like to encourage kids interested in sci.space.*

Consider, "You are what you eat", equally, "You think what you read". We all
pick and choose what we read, in essence we choose how we brainwash
ourselves by what we read. It's a personal choice, what thoughts you want
to have. Just consume enough and ...

I'd send you a Courtesy E-Mail, but you might be offended.
--
Craig Fink
Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @

On Nov 20, 2:04 pm, OM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:13:56 -0500, "Jeff Findley"

wrote:
...You know, I think I know what my NYE resolution is: to finally
compile that Suggested Troll Killfile List for sci.space.*. As it
stands now, Fink's like 6th on the list, just under the
Bickersons...er...the Chumpko-McCall couple.

I recently added Fink to mine. He's really gone off the deep end lately.

...Here's the list that I have so far, in no particular order at this
time in termse of severity:

Brad Guth
Bob Haller
Erik Chomko
Fred J. McCall
scottgrissom
Craig Fink
Tommy Lee Elfritz
*Anyone* with the last name of Maxson
Andre Lieven
Stuf4 AKA "~CT"
LIBERATOR
Leopold Stotch
"The Commentator"
Danny Dot - or whatever he's going by now? Deger?
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
"Jonathan"

...Now, a couple of these may no longer be out there, as I've seen
nothing of them in terms of having been quoted for a while. But
looking back through google groups, if everyone killfiled these
trolling *******s, about 75% of the trash on all three groups would be
eliminated. In the case of .policy, this would equate to about 5000
posts a month, if not a week, that we wouldn't have to wade through.

...What I'd need to make this list work best is to include specific
reasons why they should be sent to Killfile Hell. In the case of scum
like ElfNazi, even one anti-semitic post is justification enough,
while in the case of Chumpko & McCall, just one lovers' spat and the
observation that this has been going on for years would suffice, not
to mention examples of their own trollish nature. The Maxson Family
Values - or lack thereof - are easily googleable, and the patridork of
the family has his own insanity hung out like bloody sheets on his own
website. The evidence is there, we just need to compile it
accordingly. For example:

Alias Used:
Real Name (if known):
Known E-Mail Address(es), fake or real:
Primary Justification For Killfiling:
Best Example Of Evidence Cited:
Additional Links To Evidence:

...Again, it wouldn't be that hard to compile it if everyone pitched
in.

...I should add that there's a catch to this one: whoever gets added
to the list should be a troll that's accepted as such by a majority.
If, say, you're Hoppy and you can't stand Pat's posts while pretty
much everyone else at least tolerates his posts, then put him in
*your* killfile and let everyone else make their own decision. The
list isn't to censor and/or stifle valid disagreements, it's to
eliminate trolling *******s. There *IS* a difference, which is why
you'll note that I don't have Rand listed in my sample list, even
though he's sharing a cell in part of my killfile with Brad Guth right
now.

Bottom Line: We can reduced the severity of the troll infestation on
the sci.space groups if we take the necessary steps to make everyone
aware of who the acknowledged trolls are. Several of them use the same
standard tactics to catch the n00bs and the clueless off guard - you
know, post something interesting, then twist the resulting thread into
some insane CT nutter pile of hot, steaming, festering bull**** - and
having a regularly-posted list like this will give the rest of us
something to refer them to when they start replying to the trolls.

And if we eliminate the trolls this way, we can get back many of the
serious posters who left because of them.

OM
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you didn't include that crank Bob Mosley???