Antigravity - The fraud of the 20th century.

GR is not a Theory of Everything. I have stated that Eotvos proves
that inertia and gravity are equivalent to 1 part in 10^-11 at least
on the macroscopic scale.

In a lump of matter there are many virtual particles. There are
virtual photons, there are the guage particles for the strong and weak
forces. Of course if are to suppose that the electroweak guage
particle is antigravitational in one state with the antiparticle
doubly gravitational you do indeed get a cancelling out. How likely is
this?

Of course as GR is not a TOE it could well be a special case of some
other theory. Under supersymmetry the graviton (gravitational wave)
has a Fermion partner, the gravitino thast differs from the graviton
by a spin of 1/2. This appears in the form of additional space time
operators.

A Fermion, you could I suppose describe as a kind of metric warping. I
think however that that would not be a good way to describe it.

To travel at 2900km/h you need a MACROSCOPIC warp.

Chirality is quite interesting from the stand point of life. When I
started biology we had the characteristics of living things -
reproduction, growth, movement etc. Chirality which to my mind is an
important characteristic was not mentioned.

Chemistry is mostly to do with the electromagnetic force but the
electroweak force does have a small effect. There is thus a minute
~10^-12 difference in energy between the different chiralities of
optically active compounds. Could that be anything to do with the
choice life made? Once a chirality is established it pays life to
follow it.

Would extraterrestial life have dextro rotary chirality always, or
would the chirality be a 50% chance? My kneejerk reaction is to send a
laser to look at the ice on Europa. No chirality - no life.


- Ian Parker

Ian Parker wrote:
Gravity in terms of general relativity is thought of as a curvature in
space time which leads to accelerations of objects along a geodesic.
Experimentally gravity and inertia are equivalent to an extremely high
accuracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6...B6s_experiment
Eotvos is now over 100 years old and since his time experiments have
been performed. Now an accuracy of 10^-11 has been achieved.

Even better than that.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm

This reference outlines various forces in nature and explains how
inertia and gravity might not be the same.

Yep, this is were Uncle Al throws away all experimental evidence
gathered so far.

Gravitation is the gradient of the inertial field.

A clock is an inertiameter.

Uncle Al is an idiot.

Uwe Hayek.

"Hayek" wrote in message
...
: Ian Parker wrote:
: Gravity in terms of general relativity is thought of as a curvature in
: space time which leads to accelerations of objects along a geodesic.
: Experimentally gravity and inertia are equivalent to an extremely high
: accuracy.
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6...B6s_experiment
: Eotvos is now over 100 years old and since his time experiments have
: been performed. Now an accuracy of 10^-11 has been achieved.
:
: Even better than that.
:
: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
:
: This reference outlines various forces in nature and explains how
: inertia and gravity might not be the same.
:
: Yep, this is were Uncle Al throws away all experimental evidence
: gathered so far.
:
: Gravitation is the gradient of the inertial field.
:
: A clock is an inertiameter.
:
: Uncle Al is an idiot.
:
: Uwe Hayek.

Uncle ****wit isn't an idiot, he's stark raving mad.

Eric Gisse wrote:

On Jul 21, 9:07 am, Uncle Al wrote:
[...]

Do you have the crystals grown yet?

Benzil flawless to 3 mm diameter? No. I'm bringing six growth
chambers on-line in early August. We want at least 60 parity pairs.
We are assuming there will be a net signal the first day and 6-hrs
phase shifted the second. If there is a net signal, the runs will be
repeated every hour to get a clean curve. Additional pairs will be
crushed and run under maximum output conditions to show overall mass
distribution parity divergence and not just chirality is operative.

Or, there is a net null signal 8 times in a row. I am an organic
chemist. I do not fear the waste crock. I want to know if chemically
identical left and right hands fall identically. If no physicist will
tell me, I'll find out for myself.

We didn't have the budget, so we had to think. As several VP/R&D will
tell you, making Uncle Al think is not a good way to maintain the
status quo. When you need research in the worst way possible - Uncle
Al's way.

(Physical reality) - (empirical reality) = faith

If you take string theory on faith you had better start praying.

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"Uncle Al" wrote:

(Physical reality) - (empirical reality) = faith

No offense, Uncle Al, but of all the nutty things
you have said over the years that is the nuttiest.

Dave Greene

On Jul 22, 1:07 am, Uncle Al wrote:
Ian Parker wrote:

Gravity in terms of general relativity is thought of as a curvature in
space time which leads to accelerations of objects along a geodesic.

Not necessarily. Metric gravitation spacetime curvature predictions
are wholly contained within non-metric gravitation spacetime torsion
predictions - affine (Eisntein-Cartan), teleparallel (Weitzenböck
spacetime), and noncommutative (Connes) gravitations. The only
interesting part is where the two sets disjointly *disagree*: angular
momentum - macroscopic physical spin; particle spin and orbital
angular momentum (magnets); relativistic spin-orbit coupling (binary
pulsr PSR J0737-3039A/B); and opposite parity mass distributions.
Only the last is a macroscopically measurable effect even in
principle.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.pdf
minutiahttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
2-day experiment to extreme sensitivity.

Experimentally gravity and inertia are equivalent to an extremely high
accuracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6...B6s_experiment

Do better,

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajo...l/lajos.htm#b5
Parity is the disjoint non-overlap between metric and non-metric
gravititation

Eotvos is now over 100 years old and since his time experiments have
been performed. Now an accuracy of 10^-11 has been achieved.

Adelberger at U/Wash currently achieves 10^(-13) difference/average,
Newman at UC/Irvine might do 10^(-15) below 4 kelvin. Neither has
performed a parity Eotvos experiment opposing single crystal solid
spheres of space group P3(1)21 vs. P3(2)21 cultured alpha-quartz.
Does a right shoe vacuum free fall identically to a left shoe? Nobody
has ever looked.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm

This reference outlines various forces in nature and explains how
inertia and gravity might not be the same.

That URL is an overly large hodgepodge plus huge pile of citations for
the uninitiated. The lean clients are

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.pdf
minutiahttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
2-day experiment to extreme sensitivity.

A *measurable* spacetime parity violation is empirically confined to
one specific case - opposite parity mass distributions. Orthodox
theory supporting it appeared by the 1920s. The only meaningful
further discussion is to look. Both a null and a non-mull outcome are
fully supported by orthodox classical theory consistent with all prior
observation in all venues at all scales.

No theory however elegant, "necessary," or large can survive empirical
falsification of its predictions. String theory with 10^1000 allowed
vacua (the landscape) makes no predictions at all. It demands BRST
invariance (the effects of a massive body and an accelerating geometry
are indistinguishable) and so is also vulnerable to parity Eotvos and
parity calorimetry falsification experiments.

As you can see the accuracy
of recent experiments is well within the expected variations, if real.

So? 10^(-13) difference/average Eotvos experiment net signal, state
of the art, gives an 8% calorimetry signal in 0.1% precision
equipment. Official Truth can be busted bya fcotr of 80.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#b4
literature citation numbershttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#c1
thermodynamics and kinematicshttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#b2
bottom lines

All of that inevitably arises from classical physics with heavy
literature citation and no possibility of dissent. None of that is
arguable. The only unknown is whether the vacuum is empirically
even-parity or odd-parity in the mass sector. Vacuum isotropy vs.
anisotropic chiral background cannot be resolved by debate. That must
be examined. The reproducible answer is the answer. It matters not
who does not like the results.


Chiral vaccum background as more extension of weak force assymmetry?
For over a month. I've been mulling about Mirror Matter that can
resolve the weak force assymetry. It goes like this.

"Nearly 50 years ago it was discovered that the fundamental
particles,
such as the electron and proton have "left-handed" interactions - they
do
not respect mirror symmetry. This experimental fact motivates the idea
that a set of "mirror particles" exist. The left-handedness of the
ordinary particles can then be balanced by the right-handedness
of the mirror particles."

Ok. Uncle Al or others. Are you aware of fatal flaws for these
idea about right-handed Mirror Matter? Their not being the
same mass as normal matter may be result of symmetry
breaking. Anyway. If your experiment produces non-null
and vaccum background is chiral then it falsifies mirror
matter (or lessen their necessity).

Des










If antigravity were to be real in any sense it would mean warping
space time.

Nonsense. Spacetime curvature in isotropic space gives *parallel*
local vacuum free fall minimum action geodesics. Spacetime torsion in
a chiral vacuum backgriund gives *divergent* local vacuum free fall
minimum action teleparallels for chemically identical, oppposite
parity mass distributions. Nothing is violated either way. Ordinary
random matter does not care. Given empirical chiral anisotropic
space, unless somebody is unexpectedly clever with subsequent
non-metric gravitation theory, the parity divergence will be small -
on the order of 10^(-12) relative.

Present-day vacuum chiral divergence would be just large enough to
originate biological homochirality (L-chiral protein amino acids and
D-chiral natural sugars) the left-handed Weak interaction; and source
the inflation era post-Big Bang as a chiral pseudoscalar field
background choosing matter over antimatter. There it is folks - all
the nasty unexplainable chirality-selective stuff neatly tied up in a
gift package.

There cannot be a parity Nordtvedt effect. The mass fraction of
Earth's chiral mass distributions is negligible compared to planetary
mass (and biology is mostly achiral water). Even then, meat cancels
wood.

None of the methods proposed seem to do this. To warp a
gravitational field you need negative mass.

[snip straw men]

If you assume the Equivalence Principle is true, then violations of
the EP are impossible. I propose to observe whether the EP has a
parity violation based upon two orthogonal classes of theoretically
sound experiments. Observation cannot be argued against. What is
reproducibly empirically observed is true.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/gravitywaves.shtml

[snip]

That's crap. Contradiction of prior observation is crap.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...ngth+or+arms&m...
http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/
I think you should look at these websites carefully.

I've corresponded with Kip Thorne. So? Spacetime curvature and
spacetime torsion are measurably indistinguishable except in the
opposite parity mass distribution case. If you have a few meter-wide
cultured single crystal alpha-quartz mirrors in both space groups for
LIGO, don't be shy about telling us. Alas, since the far ends of LIGO
in Washington state and Louisiana do not satisfy locality, it wouldn't
be a definitive experiment.

The equipment is
amazingly sensitive. If your electromagnetic assembly is indeed
creating gravitational waves at any level,

[snip]

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?
Gravitational waves are quadrupolar excitations requiring immense (as
in "astronomical") mass displacements. Gravitation merely requires a
single atom or less (or nothing at all - the Weyl tensor). Gravity
waves are wet sloshes exending from surface to bottom.

Are we alone in the Universe?

[snip]

We are isolated in the universe. If you do not like that, change it
yourself.

- Ian Parker

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DAVID GREENE wrote:

"Uncle Al" wrote:

(Physical reality) - (empirical reality) = faith

No offense, Uncle Al, but of all the nutty things
you have said over the years that is the nuttiest.

Uncle Al can explain it to you but Uncle Al cannot understand it for
you. Science and religion are orthogonal. Here it is in baby steps.
Do the algebra,

everything = science + religion

Science mostly doesn't care what religion does much as the US mostly
doesn't know Canada exists. Who cares? OTOH, religion is desperately
threatened by light switches and vaccination as 95% of the Canadian
population is snugged by the US border hoping some crumbs drop their
way.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fleas.htm

One unskilled in the art might demand

everything = science + religion + money + power

but that is an overdetermined set.

everything = mathematics

doesn't work either. Mathematics is not empirical.

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On Jul 23, 5:22 pm, Uncle Al wrote:
DAVID GREENE wrote:

"Uncle Al" wrote:

(Physical reality) - (empirical reality) = faith

No offense, Uncle Al, but of all the nutty things
you have said over the years that is the nuttiest.

Uncle Al can explain it to you but Uncle Al cannot understand it for
you. Science and religion are orthogonal. Here it is in baby steps.
Do the algebra,

everything = science + religion


I think that now you could be close
on right track when searching the
TRUTH what ever it shows to be:

(Physical reality) = (empirical reality) + (faith to God's word))

(faith to God's word)= (faith to what God has instructed with aid
of His prophets due we cannot understand His ways
because we are so undeveloped beings in the Universe)

Hannu

Science mostly doesn't care what religion does much as the US mostly
doesn't know Canada exists. Who cares? OTOH, religion is desperately
threatened by light switches and vaccination as 95% of the Canadian
population is snugged by the US border hoping some crumbs drop their
way.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fleas.htm

One unskilled in the art might demand

everything = science + religion + money + power

but that is an overdetermined set.

everything = mathematics

doesn't work either. Mathematics is not empirical.

--
Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

Descartes wrote:
[snip]

All of that inevitably arises from classical physics with heavy
literature citation and no possibility of dissent. None of that is
arguable. The only unknown is whether the vacuum is empirically
even-parity or odd-parity in the mass sector. Vacuum isotropy vs.
anisotropic chiral background cannot be resolved by debate. That must
be examined. The reproducible answer is the answer. It matters not
who does not like the results.

Chiral vaccum background as more extension of weak force assymmetry?
For over a month. I've been mulling about Mirror Matter that can
resolve the weak force assymetry. It goes like this.

NO. A chiral vacuum background would *source* the 100% left-handed
weak interaction. It cannot be the other way around for lack of
amplitude vs. observed effect. Parity Violating Energy Difference
(PVED) experiments seek a measurable energy divergence between
left-handed and right-handed molecules from weak interaction Z^0
neutral current exchange between nucleus and electrons. Optimistic
PVED is 8x10^(-12) eV. Room temperature energy background kT = 0.0257
eV. Carbon-carbon bond strength is 3.6 eV. Benzil PVED
/_\/_\H(fusion) will not exceed 4x10^(-10) J/gram from the weak
interaction.

Mendeleev Commun. 13(3) 129 (2003)
Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. 41(24) 4618 (2003)

If gravitation is affine, teleparallel, or noncommutative rather than
metric, calculated /_\/_\H(fusion) between left-handed and
right-handed benzil crystals is 8.99 J/gram or 8% energy/mass
difference for a 10^(-13) difference/average Equivalence Principle
mass/mass anomaly. EP parity violation arises from interaction with a
measurably chiral vacuum background. A two-day experiment offers
profound consequences for physics, chemistry, and biology.

I care whether there is a reproducible net signal. I don't care at
all what theory is used to rationalize it if it appears. Small, equal
mass, chemically identical, opposite parity solid single crystal
spheres absolutely cannot have measurably different heats of fusion in
calibrated equipment unless physics is fundamentally in error.

Newton was wrong for assuming all knowledge of a system is exactly and
instantaneously available to an observer (h=0 and c=infinity).
General Relativity and quantum field theory took up the slack.
Physics was STILL fundamentally wrong, demonstrated by a bludgeon of
an experiment,

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ph...ment/app1.html
http://# physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Parity/cover.html
http://ccreweb.org/documents/parity/parity.html
http://www.astro.washington.edu/cowan/school/parity.pdf

We also have a bludgeon of an experiment arising from handedness. We
are going to look.

"Nearly 50 years ago it was discovered that the fundamental
particles,
such as the electron and proton have "left-handed" interactions - they
do
not respect mirror symmetry. This experimental fact motivates the idea
that a set of "mirror particles" exist. The left-handedness of the
ordinary particles can then be balanced by the right-handedness
of the mirror particles."

Ok. Uncle Al or others. Are you aware of fatal flaws for these
idea about right-handed Mirror Matter? Their not being the
same mass as normal matter may be result of symmetry
breaking. Anyway. If your experiment produces non-null
and vaccum background is chiral then it falsifies mirror
matter (or lessen their necessity).

There is no empirical evidence for mirror matter. Physics is obsessed
with unbiased symmetry - SUSY; and the persistent undetectability of
the axion and everything else that should be out there postulated in
symmetric counterpoint to the Standard Model,

Google
axion cast 288,000 hits

including proton decay debunked by Super-Kamiokande. Like any
economist or priest, theorists added a few more orders of magnitude to
proton half-life and dared experimentalists to call their bluff. The
universe is perseveratively chiral in the mass sector.

The parity calorimetry experiment is a bonehead undergrad lab.
Anybody who does not like the results, if any, can repeat it by the
rules and progressively outside them until blood runs out their ears.
Only the first run is interesting.

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In article . com,
Ian Parker wrote:

What do the advocates of antigravity think about LIGO. Are they
queuing up to demonstrate that they can in fact move LIGO's mirrors.
Not a bit of it! This to me puts it on the same level as
creationalism. It is nothing other than a gigantic fraud which has got
no scientific basis at all.

Ian, of *course* it is a fraud, but not a gigantic one -- it's a minor
bit of kookery; the Apollo-hoax kooks are a much bigger crowd.
Everybody in the scientific community knows that no such thing as
antigravity or gravity-shielding exists (or at least, has been
discovered by humans), and anybody who tells you otherwise probably also
wears a tinfoil hat to keep the CIA from controlling their thoughts.
You've put far too much effort into it; ignoring kookery is generally
the best policy.

There seems to be a widespread perception that Area 51 knows things
that mainstream science does not.

No, the widespread perception among normal people is that Area 51
doesn't exist except in sci-fi movies and bad TV. It's a fun bit of
mythology, that's all. You are hanging out with the wrong people if
most of them believe in little green (or gray) men and captured flying
saucers.

Are we alone in the Universe?

That's the simplest explanation for the great silence. Or at least,
alone in our galaxy. (Intergalactic distances are so great, and the
number of galaxies so vast, that it seems reasonable to suppose that
there are civilizations in other galaxies which we can't, and maybe will
never, detect.)

Is there, or has there been at any time an extraterrestrial presence?

No.

I feel that such episodes as Roswell hinder us in our
search for rational answers.

You're thinking of episodes of "The X Files," perhaps? In real life
there essentially was no such thing as a "Roswell episode." A farmer
sees a weather balloon or finds a bit of wreckage from a some mundane
experiment gone awry, and sometimes it catches on as an urban legend and
grows with years of retelling. Myths happen. Enjoy them as
entertainment, and quit taking them so seriously. Stop watching X Files
and start watching Myth Busters instead; it's healthier.

Best,
- Joe

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