Antecedent for climate modeling

The entire predictions system which now uses computers to speculate on
future temperature conditions of the planet is based on an antecedent
model which used timekeeping averages to model the Earth's planetary
dynamics and make external predictions using that system,what would
now be known as the equatorial coordinate system.

The success of determining the day and dates of solar and lunar
eclipses or the specific positions of the planets as they move in
stellar circumpolar motion which is,in itself ,a consequence of a
homogenized average where daily and annual cycles are compounded into
right ascension with the known discrepancy of 11 minutes adrift each
year as a tiny percentage of the orbital motion of the Earth would be
fine were it not that the daily and annual cycles are transfered
directly into daily rotation and orbital motion in a system designed
on allowing the rotational cycle to drift against the annual cycle -
the calendar system in other words.

Knowing that the 6 hour orbital drift is omitted each year to allow a
steady progression of 24 hour days and picked up by the extra day/
night cycle and 24 hour rotation of Feb 29th should immediately put a
stop to alternative conceptions for nothing could be more cruel that
the inability to separate the daily and annual cycles nor its
dynamical equivalent of daily rotation and orbital motion.Are readers
so desperate to ignore what really cannot for the sake of people in
the late 17th century who got it wrong and got it wrong in a very
specific way.

In an effort to push speculative modeling which originates as a toxic
strain of empiricism and excludes all else,that side of humanity which
must exercise its interpretative skills to modify and adapt is being
atrophied to a dangerous extent as the main focus of science has
turned into a so-called zero sum game for no good reason other than it
was inevitable.It is the weakness of those who imagine astronomy to be
a magnification exercise,a photography hobby or some other talentless
conception which is at the center of it all,in short,the weakest
intellects take the name of astronomers while not practicing this
oldest and most noble of all sciences.It shows here in the inability
to understand that one 24 hour rotation is responsible for a day/night
cycle within the calendar system and this system requires 1461 day/
night cycles to correspond to 4 annual cycles and its dynamical
equivalent.

The unmoderated forums allow for open mockery but these people would
annoy sheep and little can be said or done there,what the unmoderated
forums do also allow is more adaptation that is impossible in the
restrictive atmosphere of peer censure known as a 'moderated' forum
and while I don't owe anyone a response,I do congratulate those who
come here anyway and make some attempt to lift a discussion above the
confusion and babble of contemporary thought which takes the name of
astronomy,if it can be rightly called that.

As daily rotation is independent of orbital motion the 365 day/night
cycles made up of 24 hour rotations generate roughly 6 hours of
shortfall each year and by Feb 28th 2011,the proportion between the
distance the Earth turns through 360 degrees with the distance the
Earth moves along its orbital circumference will have reached 18 hours
and by Feb 28th 2012,that will amount to 24 hours,the genius of the
system is the extra day/night cycle and independent rotation makes up
the difference in the orbital distance left out in non-leap years.

It may not be possible to convince empiricists that it is in their
best interests to get on board what would probably make the
transition to a more stable astronomical era easier and especially as
it is not a demotion but rather a shift of emphasis towards a more
productive use of analogies drawn from experimental
sciences,ultimately it is an offer but it is not crucial for the
advancement of astronomy whether empiricists who are genuinely
interested in being productive are left behind.Magnification guys are
best left to their own devices.


The Earth turns once in 24 hours and 365 1/4 times in a year with
daily rotation independent of the orbital motion of the Earth and 1461
day/night cycles corresponding to 4 orbital circuits,different
cultures had fine tuned the correspondence with the older astronomical
heritage being more precise in the correspondence between daily and
annual cycles while the Gregorian system is slightly imbalanced but
still magnificent in its own right.

This is our era to make dramatic changes that do matter,what people
believe previously does not count presently as the first signs that
the worst is over and people regain a sense of their interpretative
skills and a proper use of the imagination and everyone gains.

On 1/27/11 6:01 AM, oriel36 wrote:
The Earth turns once in 24 hours...

To be precise, the earth turns 1.00273791 time in 24 hours
resulting in 366.242199 every astronomical year.

On Jan 27, 1:20*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 1/27/11 6:01 AM, oriel36 wrote:

The Earth turns once in 24 hours...

* *To be precise, the earth turns 1.00273791 time in 24 hours
* *resulting in 366.242199 every astronomical year.

It was once harder to deal with the error at a rotational level as the
averaging process which creates the 24 hour day and then substitutes
the 24 hour sequence for steady rotation is not altogether obvious but
the error is apparent when it is telescoped to an annual level and
then it is astonishing and easily understood,at least those who
delight in the Feb 29th 24 hour rotation and day/night cycle as a
testament to the split between daily and annual cycles and the 1461
day/night cycles that represent 4 orbital circuits of 365 1/4 days and
rotation for each cycle.So now the task has become to find people who
have the stature to affirm what has been before humans since the first
people decided to mark the annual periods using the daily cycles of
the planet many thousands of years ago and that an alternative
sequence of day/night cycles is required after every 4th cycle and it
is not going to happen among people who can't acknowledge that Feb
29th is both 24 hours of rotation and a day/night cycle hence 1461 day/
night cycles and 24 hour rotations between Mar 1st 2008 and Feb 29th
2012.

I am eager to move on to the compromises which arise from a stable
astronomical view and the almost untouched observational data that
remains idle or dormant as long as the majority,and yes,even
empiricists,remain moribund in an error which beggars belief in
attempting to create an imbalance between 24 hours of rotation and a
day/night cycle and the orbital cycle on the other side of that
balance.

What do you think of those people who can't acknowledge that the polar
coordinates turn with respect to the Sun as a consequence of the
orbital behavior of the Earth insofar as it takes a 360 degree cycle
to the Sun to explain the 6 months of darkness followed by 6 months of
daylight ?.

On Jan 27, 5:54*pm, oriel36 wrote:
On Jan 27, 1:20*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 1/27/11 6:01 AM, oriel36 wrote:

The Earth turns once in 24 hours...

* *To be precise, the earth turns 1.00273791 time in 24 hours
* *resulting in 366.242199 every astronomical year.

It was once harder to deal with the error at a rotational level as the
averaging process which creates the 24 hour day and then substitutes
the 24 hour sequence for steady rotation is not altogether obvious but
the error is apparent when it is telescoped to an annual level and
then it is astonishing and easily understood,at least those who
delight in the Feb 29th 24 hour rotation and day/night cycle as a
testament to the split between daily and annual cycles and the 1461
day/night cycles that represent 4 orbital circuits of 365 1/4 days and
rotation for each cycle.So now the task has become to find people who
have the stature to affirm what has been before humans since the first
people decided to mark the annual periods using the daily cycles of
the planet many thousands of years ago and that an alternative
sequence of day/night cycles is required after every 4th cycle and it
is not going to happen among people who can't acknowledge that Feb
29th is both 24 hours of rotation and a day/night cycle hence 1461 day/
night cycles and 24 hour rotations between Mar 1st 2008 and Feb 29th
2012.

February 29th is just a day like any other day. Only our artificail
calenday - remember it's a map not the territory- calls makes this day
different to any other.







I am eager to move on to the compromises which arise from a stable
astronomical view and the almost untouched observational data that
remains idle or dormant as long as the majority,and yes,even
empiricists,remain moribund in an error which beggars belief in
attempting to create an imbalance between 24 hours of rotation and a
day/night cycle and the orbital cycle on the other side of that
balance.


Science is not about compromises. It's about being right. You don't
compromise with the truth.




What do you think of those people who can't acknowledge that the polar
coordinates turn with respect to the Sun as a consequence of the
orbital behavior of the Earth insofar as it takes a 360 degree cycle
to the Sun to explain the 6 months of darkness followed by 6 months of
daylight ?.

Another bit of ignorance. There is far more than 6 months of light at
the poles. The sun is refracted and is visible when below the horizon.
For a month or so before the spring equinox days get steadily
brighter.

At the winter solstice anyone using the sky to determine the day
length would note the accurate timekeeping provided by the apparent
movement of the sky around the almost overhead pole star. A really
bright thinker would deduce that the Earth rotated once every siderial
day. Much more even than the movements of the sun and moon around the
horizon in summer.

I have to come here and make paid doctorates look like fools when it
would be easier for them to sort out the details on issues which are
so close to human experience that I can't imagine what it most take
to believe 366 1/4 rotations in an orbital cycle.

Mar 1st 2010 until Feb 28th 2011 there are 365 day/night cycles and
365 X 24 hour rotations and from Mar 1st 2011 until Feb 28th there
will be 365 day/night cycles and 365 X24 hour rotations - then comes
the extra 24 hour rotation and extra day/night cycle.

The calculated proportion between the intrinsic rotation of the Earth
and the orbital period is in proportion of 365 1/4 :1 and to maintain
a progression of full rotations to match an orbital period is 1461:4

As the averaging process for the 24 hour day is also an equalization
process where the orbital influences are minimized by sampling the the
length of natural noon,combining the lengths and then dividing them
equally to arrive at a 24 hour average,that average then goes into to
calculating the orbital period with no more than 365 full day/night
cycles in an orbital period with a refined value of 365 days 5 hours
49 minutes by the Gregorian system.

As daily rotation is an independent motion and turns regardless to
what is happening with the orbital motion of the Earth,the 365 times
it turns to the Sun each non-leap year would represent no variations
is rotational speed hence the 6 hours omitted each non-leap year in
transfered to an orbital advance,after 2 years that amounts to 12
hours,after 3 years 18 hours (Feb 28th 2011) and 24 hours after 4
years.The extra rotation and day/night cycle of Feb 29th corresponds
to the proportion which maintains the 1461:4 proportion as a calendar
convenience or its actual 365 1/4 : 1 proportion as it exists in
actuality.

The Earth turns 365 1/4 times as a proportion of its orbital
circumference and this utter disregard for the technical issues which
have been known in some shape or form for thousand of years is a great
tragedy that no people should have to put up with.The silence on this
issue is truly unbearable regardless of my descriptive shortcomings
for technically everything is absolutely correct.

On Jan 27, 9:40*pm, oriel36 wrote:
I have to come here and make paid doctorates look like fools when it
would be easier for them to sort out the details on issues which are
so close to human experience that I can't imagine what it most take
to *believe 366 1/4 rotations in an orbital cycle.

Mar 1st 2010 until Feb 28th 2011 there are 365 day/night cycles and
365 X 24 hour rotations and from Mar 1st 2011 until Feb 28th there
will be 365 day/night cycles and 365 X24 hour rotations - then comes
the extra 24 hour rotation and extra day/night cycle.

The calculated proportion between the intrinsic rotation of the Earth
and the orbital period is in proportion *of 365 1/4 :1 and to maintain
a progression of full rotations to match an orbital period is 1461:4

As the averaging process for the 24 hour day is also an equalization
process where the orbital influences are minimized by sampling the the
length of natural noon,combining the lengths and then dividing them
equally to arrive at a 24 hour average,that average then goes into to
calculating the orbital period with no more than 365 full day/night
cycles in an orbital period with a refined value of 365 days 5 hours
49 minutes by the Gregorian system.

As daily rotation is an independent motion and turns regardless to
what is happening with the orbital motion of the Earth,the 365 times
it turns to the Sun each non-leap year would represent no variations
is rotational speed hence the 6 hours omitted each non-leap year in
transfered to an orbital advance,after 2 years that amounts to 12
hours,after 3 years 18 hours (Feb 28th 2011) and 24 hours after 4
years.The extra rotation and day/night cycle of Feb 29th corresponds
to the proportion which maintains the 1461:4 proportion *as a calendar
convenience or its actual 365 1/4 : 1 proportion as it exists in
actuality.

The Earth turns 365 1/4 times as a proportion of its orbital
circumference and this utter disregard for the technical issues *which
have been known in some shape or form for thousand of years is a great
tragedy that no people should have to put up with.The silence on this
issue is truly unbearable regardless of my descriptive shortcomings
for technically everything is absolutely correct.

The sloppy proofreading is probably an unintentional insult because I
can't think of anything more dismal than not attempting to understand
how the extra day/night cycle that is Feb 29th representing an
independent rotation of the Earth to the Sun also corresponds to the
distance to make up an orbital circumference in proportion of 1461
rotation : 4 orbital circuits or 365 1/4 :1

I do not tell people they are wrong or lying,I only express
astonishment that they can be so dull on such a fundamental issue as
it means counting the day/nights across the calendar cycle and coming
to kn ow what the extra rotation and day/night cycle represents,it
doesn't beg anything other than a loving regard for our astronomical
ancestors who knew about it partly but only really is enjoyable in
terms of planetary dynamics.

I simply do not know how anyone manages to believe 366 1/4 rotations
in a year .not that it stands on its own but it stands against common
sense and the clear reasoning which transfers the 365 1/4 rotations
each year into a 365/366 day convenience of the calendar system.

On 1/27/11 3:40 PM, oriel36 wrote:
I have to come here and make paid doctorates look like fools...

And who is really the fool? The educated are the ones who
understand the necessity and the results of direct observation,
i.e., empirical data.

On 1/27/11 4:10 PM, oriel36 wrote:
I simply do not know how anyone manages to believe 366 1/4 rotations
in a year...

Well, it is a simple matter of careful observation, Gerald. The earth
turns 1.00273791 times in 24 hours resulting in 366.242199 every
astronomical year.

Gerald, an astronomical year is independent of human calendars, leap
days and leap years. The earth has to turn an extra degree or so every
day to line up with the noonday sun. 361° Gerald.

On Jan 27, 10:54*am, oriel36 wrote:

What do you think of those people who can't acknowledge that the polar
coordinates turn with respect to the Sun as a consequence of the
orbital behavior of the Earth insofar as it takes a 360 degree cycle
to the Sun to explain the 6 months of darkness followed by 6 months of
daylight ?.

We do acknowledge that. It's this turning that subtracts a day from
the number of rotations in the year, and makes the day 24 hours long
on average.

A day that varies in length, with the Equation of Time, is too
inconvenient to work with, and so we prefer to work in the frame of
the stars, from which viewpoint the Earth rotates in 23 hours, 56
minutes, and 4 seconds... not on average, but uniformly and regularly.

John Savard