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Old October 4th 07, 07:45 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
Pentcho Valev
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On 4 Oct, 03:16, Tom Roberts wrote:
We do not "prove" anything in physics. We test theories. Literally
hundreds of experiments confirm SR, and none refute it.


Of course Roberts Roberts. How else could it be? After all you, Jean-
Marc Levy-Leblond and Jong-Ping Hsu have discovered that special
relativity would be unaffected if light in vacuum does travel at the
invariant speed of the Lorentz transform and if light in vacuum does
not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...34dc146100e32c
Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a
nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their domains
of applicability would be reduced)."

No experiment can refute a theory that would be unaffected if light in
vacuum does travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform and
if light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant speed of the
Lorentz transform. Literally no experiment Roberts Roberts.

Pentcho Valev

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Old October 4th 07, 08:24 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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On Oct 4, 8:45 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Of course Roberts Roberts. How else could it be? After all you, Jean-
Marc Levy-Leblond and Jong-Ping Hsu have discovered that special
relativity would be unaffected if light in vacuum does travel at the
invariant speed of the Lorentz transform and if light in vacuum does
not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform:

[...]

http://groups.google.com/group/fr.sc...2?dmode=source
No answer ?

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Old October 5th 07, 10:52 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
Pentcho Valev
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On 4 Oct, 10:24, didier wrote:
On Oct 4, 8:45 am, Pentcho Valev wrote: Of course Roberts Roberts. How else could it be? After all you, Jean-
Marc Levy-Leblond and Jong-Ping Hsu have discovered that special
relativity would be unaffected if light in vacuum does travel at the
invariant speed of the Lorentz transform and if light in vacuum does
not travel at the invariant speed of the Lorentz transform:


[...]

http://groups.google.com/group/fr.sc...2?dmode=source
No answer ?


No answer. We were discussing an oxymoron taught by Tom Roberts and
your Master Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond:

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...34dc146100e32c
Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a
nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their domains
of applicability would be reduced)."

http://o.castera.free.fr/pdf/onemorederivation.pdf
JEAN-MARC LEVY-LEBLOND: "The evidence of the nonzero mass of the
photon would not, as such, shake in any way the validity of the
special relalivity. It would, however, nullify all its derivations
which are based on the invariance of the photon velocity."

Then I asked you to elaborate, you did not do so but asked a question
etc. I admit I should not have asked you to elaborate. When there is
an oxymoron (or at least an extremely silly statement) and someone
sees nothing wrong with it, that should be the end of the story.
Otherwise we would be in a situation analogous to this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H6DSoqZz_s
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong
with it?
Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead,
that's what's wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm
looking at one right now.
Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the
Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

Pentcho Valev

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Old October 5th 07, 11:30 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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On Oct 5, 11:52 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On 4 Oct, 10:24, didier wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/fr.sc...c7b7a56ae502?d...
No answer ?


No answer.


I see.
Too much stupid to answer.

 




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