Ny Times..China Energy in 2020; 70% from...COAL

On Mar 7, 2:43*pm, (Wayne Throop) wrote:
: bob haller safety advocate
: And having seen a 60 minutes episode about the feds worried that ICs
: built elsewhere, and effcetively NONE are still produced in the US,
: security flaws could be imbeded in the chips, for spying.

* *http://www.stormingmedia.us/85/8562/A856205.html
* * Defense Industrial Base Assessment: U.S. *Integrated Circuit Design
* * * * * * and Fabrication Capability [...]
* * Overall, companies reported broad capability in the United States to
* * manufacture and design both conventional and radiation resistant ICs
* * across almost all technology nodes, materials, wafer sizes, and
* * device types. *Based on projections through 2011, this core
* * capability reportedly will be maintained despite some increases in
* * outsourcing to non-U.S. *locations. *During the 2003-2006 period,
* * U.S. *manufacturing and design activity was supported by significant
* * growth in corporate net sales, research and development (R&D)
* * spending, and capital expenditures. *The vast majority of R&D and
* * capital expenditures was allocated to activities within the United
* * States, with a small but growing portion directed to overseas
* * operations.

That's as of may 2009, and (per above) projected to 2011.
Oh my, good heavens to betsy, could 60 minutes have fudged their report
to make it sound more dangerous and exciting than it really was?
Oh shirley they wouldn't do *that*, would they?

: plus we have no manufacturing ability to produce power generators in
: our country.

None at all? *Huh, that's odd:

* *http://www.gereports.com/ges-us-turb...-in-2-65b-powe...
* * On the equipment side, GE will supply three combined-cycle power
* * blocks, including six Frame 9FA gas turbines, which will be
* * equipped with the latest emission reducing technology that will
* * support Kuwait's environmental needs, three steam turbines,
* * nine generators and a turbine and plant level control protection
* * system. The gas and steam turbines will be made at GE's plants
* * in the U.S. [...]
* * GE will begin shipping equipment by the middle of 2010.

I guess somebody at GE didn't get the memo that they
have no power generator manufacturing capability at their
Greenville South Carolina plant.

* * GE's Greenville, SC plant, seen above, is the largest gas
* * turbine manufacturing plant in the world, with over 3,000 employees
* * producing products for domestic and global export.

Amazing what one can find with 30 seconds of googling.
Not that it gives any in-depth knowledge, but as a sanity
check it's ... interesting.

Wayne Throop * *http://sheol.org/throopw

GE is perhaps 90% outsourced, especially on their really big stuff,
partly because we don't seem to have the affordable energy to create
and mange accomplishing their really big stuff, much less the
affordable labor that's experienced enough where it counts.

Try or order up a 500 MW generator/alternator that 's all USof A.

~ BG

On Mar 7, 8:18�pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller safety advocate wrote:

:
: We've been in a recession, dumb****. ?Of course there's empty space.
:
:
:a major cause of the contiuning recession is all the jobs that went
verseas.
:

Wrong. �Apparently the entire planet but you knows what caused the
current mess.

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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
�truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-- Thomas Jefferson

well certinally the ever increasing trade deficit means were buying
stuff from overseas. lots of oil plus manufactured goods and we now
import over 50% of all the food we eat.

at some point all this will hurt our economy badly.We are sending
whats left of our wealth to others

hospitals send their patients x rays to be read by foreign doctors,
motorola and near everyones tech support is done by foreigners given
american names. One fellow asked me twice how to spell BOB

Brad Guth wrote:
Sure as long as you are not one of those near slave labor people
producing all the stuff they make.....


As I said, thus far their plan is working better than ours.




So you are all for slave labor ?

Seriously ?




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Except the trade deficit isn't "ever increasing". �Compare the last 12
months to the 12 months that preceded them, for example.

thats only because our economy is so sucky theres less business going
on, people lack the money to buy stuff.

plus just have anything happen in the oil pipeline, mideast chaves etc
etc.


and that trade deficit will spike again.

like i said were under attack in a war, only this one is economic and
buys our country

"columbiaaccidentinvestigation"
wrote in message
...
On Mar 4, 8:09 am, AM wrote:"They refuse to
address the issue, when the Chinese are on their way to being the
worlds worst greenhouse gas polluter.

i just did, divest, as large institutions have large holdings in
chineses companies, but people like you are afraid to take such
actions.

Start a trade war in the middle of a recession? Green can be the
next new high tech industry. The article I referred to was also
about how China is working to dominate that too.

Lets start our own new high tech 'green' industry.
We can beat then at this one, and NASA needs
a new reason-for-being.


Laying the Foundation for Space Solar Power
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Space-Based Solar Power As an Opportunity for Strategic Security
http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/nsso.htm

Space Energy Inc
http://www.spaceenergy.com/s/Default.htm

War Without Oil: A Catalyst For True Transformation

"Complicating the matter is a lack of professional consensus on
the actual expected date of global peak oil production, with
credible organizations such a ExxonMobil predicting that
the non-OPEC Hubbert's Peak will arrive within 5 years
and the U.S. Government claiming the planet's absolute peak
will occur somewhere around 2037"
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/csat56.pdf

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
...
bob haller safety advocate wrote:


So what's your solution, loony toon? Trade barriers and isolationism?



Democracy is the answer to that problem, as it is for most problems
facing the world. A dictatorship in China means they can get away
with all kinds of economic 'murder'. Like fixing the exchange rate
in such a way to drain our standard of living from us to them.

But there's just no way China can sustain it's economic growth under
a dictatorship. Corruption becomes overwhelming. It's only a matter
of time before it goes the way of the former Soviet Union.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

On Mar 9, 8:01�pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in messagenews:n7u7p55p8tlcqskhf4kul154g1a239k5pu@4ax .com...

bob haller safety advocate wrote:

So what's your solution, loony toon? �Trade barriers and isolationism?

Democracy is the answer to that problem, as it is for most problems
facing the world. A dictatorship in China means they can get away
with all kinds of �economic 'murder'. Like fixing the exchange rate
in such a way to drain our standard of living from us to them.

But there's just no way China can sustain it's economic growth under
a dictatorship. Corruption becomes overwhelming. It's only a matter
of time before it goes the way of the former Soviet Union.



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"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
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so we dont have a corruption problem here in america? just look at our
congress bought and paid for by lobbyists

Cost per hour for a chinese manufacturing job 81 cents

Cost per hour for a american manufacturing job 30 bucks a hour

Source CBS news tuesday night.............

china has taken the lead on green energy production, wind generators,
solar panels etc etc..........