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On Aug 9, 12:02*am, wrote:

This was back when SAGE was already operational

You know, it's a terrible pity that those SAGE AN/FSQ-7 computers
couldn't do all the things in real life that they could on TV...

John Savard

On Aug 9, 9:51*pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
His job in the event of a Soviet invasion was to fire the pistol into the
disk pack and let centripetal force do the rest.

The lack of centripetal force induced by the damage done by the bullet
would do the damage, not the presence of centripetal force.

Or the interaction between the lack of centripetal force and the
inertia of the parts of the disk that would seek to continue in a
straight line instead of circular (and hence accelerated) motion.

Or, if you will forgive my daring to speak of a _fictitious_ force, it
is centrifugal force which does the *damage*.

John Savard

On 8/10/2010 7:55 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
Or, if you will forgive my daring to speak of a _fictitious_ force, it
is centrifugal force which does the *damage*.

I hate to disagree with you (no, actually I like to do it, as I think
you are a real loon) but having been thrown off of a spinning metal
merry-go-round by centrifugal force as a kid, I don't think the force is
fictitious.
At least it didn't feel fictitious as I slid out from the center and
grabbed the support rails while screaming before hitting the ground and
rolling end-over-end.

Pat

Quadibloc wrote:
On Aug 9, 12:02 am, wrote:

This was back when SAGE was already operational

You know, it's a terrible pity that those SAGE AN/FSQ-7 computers
couldn't do all the things in real life that they could on TV...

John Savard

On the othher hand, what they could do was pretty impressive.



--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

On 8/11/2010 6:57 PM, Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:


On the othher hand, what they could do was pretty impressive.

It was a pretty strange concept; basically you turned the interceptor
into a RPV with the pilot riding along to make sure all the systems were
operating correctly.
(Cut to image of the pilot cowering as he realizes that his aircraft is
about to fire its Genie nuclear warheaded rockets.)
For anyone reading this that doesn't know about SAGE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi_Au...nd_Environment
This sounds great till the first EMP-generating nuclear detonation
destroys the communications link between the interceptors and their C&C
by disrupting the ionosphere.
It would never work in a world where you had Spartan ABMs detonating
above the atmosphere to destroy incoming incoming Soviet warheads.

Pat

Niels Jørgen Kruse wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:

On 8/8/2010 10:02 PM, wrote:

Boy, I sure hope they could get them there inside of around twenty
minutes, because that was the warning time they were going to get when
the Soviet ICBM warheads crossed over the Pole and came into US radar
range. What the hell sense would it make to blow up our own SAC
airfields? Outside of the movie "Red Dawn",there was zero percent
chance that they would be seized by Soviet invading troops.

This was back when SAGE was already operational but our only ICBM was
the Atlas, so it's possible the Soviets didn't yet possess their own
ICBMs.

That still doesn't explain why would destroy our own military aircraft
bases rather than waiting to see if the Soviets would destroy them.

Otherwise the russians could land there and refuel, of course!

That was the logic behind it. Even some of the tactical nuclear
weapons would be destroyed, by hammering steel rods into them and
pouring sulfuric acid.

Pat Flannery wrote:
On 8/11/2010 6:57 PM, Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:


On the othher hand, what they could do was pretty impressive.

It was a pretty strange concept; basically you turned the interceptor
into a RPV with the pilot riding along to make sure all the systems were
operating correctly.
(Cut to image of the pilot cowering as he realizes that his aircraft is
about to fire its Genie nuclear warheaded rockets.)
For anyone reading this that doesn't know about SAGE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi_Au...nd_Environment
This sounds great till the first EMP-generating nuclear detonation
destroys the communications link between the interceptors and their C&C
by disrupting the ionosphere.
It would never work in a world where you had Spartan ABMs detonating
above the atmosphere to destroy incoming incoming Soviet warheads.

Pat

Genies didn't have as many safeguards against unauthorized use as
would be expected for a nuclear weapon, but at least they couldn't be
detonated on the ground (had to be traveling at least 1100 MPH - that
speed may be wrong). I never saw a pilot show fear due to the
weapons, but a few ground crew members would suddenly start shaking,
crying, or praying when they got near them.

On 8/12/2010 2:32 AM, wrote:


Genies didn't have as many safeguards against unauthorized use as
would be expected for a nuclear weapon, but at least they couldn't be
detonated on the ground (had to be traveling at least 1100 MPH - that
speed may be wrong). I never saw a pilot show fear due to the
weapons, but a few ground crew members would suddenly start shaking,
crying, or praying when they got near them.

The North Dakota Air National Guard down at Fargo had them for their
F-101's. I once asked one of the pilots if the people of Fargo knew
there were nuclear weapons sitting around at Hector Field, but he got
evasive about the subject.
I don't know if it still is, but Minot AFB used to be the main storage
place for the US tactical nuclear weapons stockpile.

Pat

On Aug 11, 5:37*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 8/10/2010 7:55 PM, Quadibloc wrote:

Or, if you will forgive my daring to speak of a _fictitious_ force, it
is centrifugal force which does the *damage*.

I hate to disagree with you (no, actually I like to do it, as I think
you are a real loon) but having been thrown off of a spinning metal
merry-go-round by centrifugal force as a kid, I don't think the force is
fictitious.
At least it didn't feel fictitious as I slid out from the center and
grabbed the support rails while screaming before hitting the ground and
rolling end-over-end.

What happened to you wasn't fictitious. But it wasn't a force that
threw you off the merry-go-round. It was just your own momentum, no
longer holding you in and forcing you to remain in accelerated
circular motion.

John Savard

On Aug 12, 1:05*am, Pat Flannery wrote:

This sounds great till the first EMP-generating nuclear detonation
destroys the communications link between the interceptors and their C&C
by disrupting the ionosphere.

At least it wouldn't have fried the computers. The AN/FSQ-7 was built
from vacuum tubes, after all.

John Savard