The Lost Cosmonauts book

JimO wrote:

Encyclopedia Astronautica confirms my recollections.

Luna-IV sent no images.

It was a failure.

What's going on here, Giovanni?


The same stuff that was going on with those Project Westford needles
they "detected" from Midas 4 in 1961- even though the satellite didn't
deploy them. They don't know that Luna 4 is supposed to be a lander....
but that it's off course. So they assume it's a photographic fly-by
(like Luna 3) that is working as planned- and it's time to start
"intercepting" the photos from it...which, considering one of the
brothers is a photographer....

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:

The same stuff that was going on with those Project Westford needles they
"detected" from Midas 4 in 1961- even though the satellite didn't deploy
them. They don't know that Luna 4 is supposed to be a lander.... but that
it's off course. So they assume it's a photographic fly-by (like Luna 3)
that is working as planned- and it's time to start "intercepting" the
photos from it...which, considering one of the brothers is a
photographer....

It's also odd that they were able to use a fast scan television receiver to
receive the signal.

(We know that Luna 9 transmitted its imagery using a facsimile format. Its
likely that Luna 4 would have done so as well.)

--
Dave Michelson

They used a cine camera on B and photographed the slow scan pictures as they
progressed across the screen.
They were APT-type transmission (or the russian equivalent) .
All explained in the book.
Gio


"Dave Michelson" wrote in message
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It's also odd that they were able to use a fast scan television receiver
to
receive the signal.

(We know that Luna 9 transmitted its imagery using a facsimile format.
Its
likely that Luna 4 would have done so as well.)

--
Dave Michelson

From what I can tell by reading the book, the probe sent TV images and also
slow-scan images.
In the book:

" During the night of April 4th, just after two o'clock, while we were
following the flight of the Luna, suddenly an image appeared on one of the
three TV monitors.
After the incident when we received images of an airplane in flight
(unrelated to the Luna mission - n.o.t.) we had placed a cine camera in
front of the screens. We immediately started the camera and shot a few
meters of film, until we lost contact. The TV signal was very weak and
unstable. Vertical and Horizontal synch.s were unlocking and the imaged
rolled. Video noise was very high. Notwithstanding these problems, in the
top portion of the image a white, curved shape could be seen. It was the
lunar horizon. Our two antennas, the one used for the reception of radio
signals and the one dedicated to video transmissions were perfectly aimed.
We were receiving, "live", the lunar horizon transmitted by the TV camera
installed on the soviet vehicle.""
Gio.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:54:59 -0600, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:01:15 -0500, "Giovanni Abrate"
wrote:

Initially, the JC brothers used a Knight and an HRO receiver, that they
modified.

...Was the Knight an R100-A? Those things were notorious for frequency
drift and BFO failure because the XTAL socket didn't hold the Crystal
tight enough. Bump it, and the BFO usually went out and you had to
open the hood to reseat the damn thing. Usually twice.

On the other hand, an HRO is bullet-proof. Got one here on my desk,
but I usually use the Collins R-390 sitting on top of it.

You can get rid of the screams from lost cosmonauts by turning the
AC plug around in the wall socket, FWIW...

Dale

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:08:11 -0800, I wrote:

On the other hand, an HRO is bullet-proof. Got one here on my desk,
but I usually use the Collins R-390 sitting on top of it.

Errr... before I get flamed, it's an R-388. The R-390 was that weird
mechanical-digital tuning job. Mine's the 30-band sliderule dial
receiver. Not that anybody cares anyway

Dale

I have searched all on-line planetary image archives, and talked to an old
friend, an archivist at the Lunar and planetary Institute here in Houston --
there is no record of any images from Luna-4. None released by the Soviets.
None picked up by Jodrell Bank. Niente.

Please scan and email to us interested parties what you claim is an image
from Luna-4.

joberg at houston.rr.com




"Giovanni Abrate" wrote in message
...
From what I can tell by reading the book, the probe sent TV images and
also
slow-scan images.
In the book:

" During the night of April 4th, just after two o'clock, while we were
following the flight of the Luna, suddenly an image appeared on one of the
three TV monitors.

The picture is from the book manuscript, which is a photocopy.
The quality suffers, of course, although I don't think that the original
could have been much better.
Here is the link:
http://www.lusatomica.com/Service/luna4.jpg
Incidentally, please save the sarcasm: I don't claim, I am translating parts
of J-Cs book. I also believe that they are telling the truth.
Also, Jim, did you see the RealVideo about Luna 4 on the website?
Regards,
Giovanni

"JimO" wrote in message
...
Please scan and email to us interested parties what you claim is an image
from Luna-4.

joberg at houston.rr.com

To clarify: the image shows the lunar horizon twice. Because of the synch.
problems described in a previous post, the screen shows two images. Looking
at the bottom image, faint shapes of at least one major crater can be made
out.
Gio.

"Giovanni Abrate" wrote in message
...
The picture is from the book manuscript, which is a photocopy.
The quality suffers, of course, although I don't think that the original
could have been much better.
Here is the link:
http://www.lusatomica.com/Service/luna4.jpg

Top posting, Jim? Shame on you ;-)
Two points occur to me. First, if the Soviets had got anything from
their failed moon probe, wouldn't they have shown it?
Second, did any of these Luna probes even have a camera capable of
imaging the Moon from space? They all seem to share the same design.

In message , JimO
writes
I have searched all on-line planetary image archives, and talked to an old
friend, an archivist at the Lunar and planetary Institute here in Houston --
there is no record of any images from Luna-4. None released by the Soviets.
None picked up by Jodrell Bank. Niente.

Please scan and email to us interested parties what you claim is an image
from Luna-4.

joberg at houston.rr.com




"Giovanni Abrate" wrote in message
...
From what I can tell by reading the book, the probe sent TV images and
also
slow-scan images.
In the book:

" During the night of April 4th, just after two o'clock, while we were
following the flight of the Luna, suddenly an image appeared on one of the
three TV monitors.




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