The "C" in Celestron now stands for COMMUNIST!

On 19 Jun 2005 17:10:36 -0700, "AstroHoney"
wrote:

I think you have your head shoved up McCarthy's arse. If Celestron had
been bought by a Canadian company, American's would bemoaning that
production had moved to a
gun-registry-bilingual-gay-marriage-pot-smoking country
(but-at-least-still-better-than-China).

They haven't said much about Canada now producing more cars
for American companies than America.

What really hurts is seeing China beat Americans at their own
"capitalist" game and nothing can be done about--can't even invade 'em.
Anybody who feels guilty about buying from China/Synta is really quite
an idiot and should get their head out of Rich's ass.

AstroHoney

Spoken like a true "Walmart Man." Right hand to left
breast, lets SING the Walmart anthem!!!!!

RichA wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 17:10:36 -0700, "AstroHoney"
wrote:

I think you have your head shoved up McCarthy's arse. If Celestron had
been bought by a Canadian company, American's would bemoaning that
production had moved to a
gun-registry-bilingual-gay-marriage-pot-smoking country
(but-at-least-still-better-than-China).

They haven't said much about Canada now producing more cars
for American companies than America.

What really hurts is seeing China beat Americans at their own
"capitalist" game and nothing can be done about--can't even invade 'em.
Anybody who feels guilty about buying from China/Synta is really quite
an idiot and should get their head out of Rich's ass.
....

Spoken like a true "Walmart Man." Right hand to left
breast, lets SING the Walmart anthem!!!!!

If all China produced goods were suddenly stopped at USA Customs and
turned back, US commerce would grind to a halt, as many US manufacturers
produce much of their products in China/Taiwan/Phillipines/Malaysia,
etc. It's called globalization and competition, and it's been happening
for a long time. WalMart just sells the goods, as do Target, KMart,
Sears, Macy's and many other retailers.

If American manufacturers can make optical goods that perform better,
but cost about the same as or less than the Synta optics, then they'll
have little to worry about from Synta. Otherwise...

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RichA wrote:

Synta is now the proud owner of Celestron.
They probably bought in because the patents
and technology to make SCT correctors is
essential to reproduce that business in
MAINLAND CHINA! So the next time a tank
rolls over some democracy protester in Tianamen Square,
picture a C8 mounted on the front of it!

In article , says...
John Savard wrote:
But since Synta has a manufacturing plant in _Mainland_ China - I
believe that must be what you meant, since Taiwan _is_ part of China,

That's a pretty misleading way to put it.

As a matter of fact, Taiwan calls itself "Republic of China" ....

http://www.gio.gov.tw/


Taiwan in no way considers
itself to be part of anything larger--at least, not at the present
moment. It would only consider the proposition of becoming part of
a larger China if the mainland ceases what Taiwan considers to be
unreasonable aggression.

The mainland, of course, does consider Taiwan to be part of it. But
it's not quite the plain factual matter your words suggest.

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Paul Schlyter wrote:
As a matter of fact, Taiwan calls itself "Republic of China" ....

You guys must think I'm a total ignoramus or something when it comes
to Taiwan and China.

I'm well aware of the name R.O.C. However, that's not what John said.
He said that Taiwan is part of China. That means something quite
different to the average informed reader (from the U.S., at least).

The fact that Taiwan is historically (although only back to about 1600
or so) and culturally part of China is mostly irrelevant when it comes
to their business practices, which are largely a product of the last
century. The two do have a business relationship, but that does not
rely on the two being part of a larger China.

Brian Tung
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They haven't said much about Canada now producing more
cars for American companies than America.

Call up some folks at ITCAN and ask them about some of the absurd
excuses they receive from Americans for not doing business in Canada.

Spoken like a true "Walmart Man." Right hand to left
breast, lets SING the Walmart anthem!!!!!

That's right, Wal-mart is really a commune and all the comrades have
read the Communist Manifesto.

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

AstroHoney

I agree with what you say but there is a difference. In the US the
workers are permitted to organize into unions. The unions become
powereful raised the wages/benifits and forced the companies out of
business,i.e. steel, auto and others.




james wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:30:44 -0400, RichA wrote:

On 18 Jun 2005 21:38:06 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote:

In oups.com "Matthew
Ota" wrote:

Our American culture, IMHO is too Euro-centric. Most Americans cannot
differentiate between any Asian counry or culture. This is a good
example.


Not really; the poster was a Canadian and a troll.

Of course it was a troll, I wanted people's
opinions on the subject and the best way to
elicit them is to make the people who buy from the
communist slave owners feel bad or at least defensive.
Which I succeeded in doing, I'd say.
But don't worry; You can assuage your guilt with the
often repeated old saw that "communism and tyranny in China
is being repealed by the capitalism" they are now experimenting
with.
-Rich
*****

Which is better to buy from

1) communist controlled company using near slave labor or

2) US capitalistic company using near slave labor?

To me there is no difference. Instead we jump on band wagons of
patriotism and never understand the economics of moves made by
corporate world.

Rule #1 of corporations both comunistic or capitalistic is to make
money.

Rule #2 the bulk of the money made is shared among the investors
and/or controllers of the corporation. Whether it be individuals or
governments.

rule #3 you or I are never going to change rule #1 or rule #2

james

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:54:33 -0700, Pat O'Connell
wrote:

RichA wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 17:10:36 -0700, "AstroHoney"
wrote:

I think you have your head shoved up McCarthy's arse. If Celestron had
been bought by a Canadian company, American's would bemoaning that
production had moved to a
gun-registry-bilingual-gay-marriage-pot-smoking country
(but-at-least-still-better-than-China).

They haven't said much about Canada now producing more cars
for American companies than America.

What really hurts is seeing China beat Americans at their own
"capitalist" game and nothing can be done about--can't even invade 'em.
Anybody who feels guilty about buying from China/Synta is really quite
an idiot and should get their head out of Rich's ass.
...

Spoken like a true "Walmart Man." Right hand to left
breast, lets SING the Walmart anthem!!!!!

If all China produced goods were suddenly stopped at USA Customs and
turned back, US commerce would grind to a halt, as many US manufacturers
produce much of their products in China/Taiwan/Phillipines/Malaysia,
etc. It's called globalization and competition, and it's been happening
for a long time. WalMart just sells the goods, as do Target, KMart,
Sears, Macy's and many other retailers.

If American manufacturers can make optical goods that perform better,
but cost about the same as or less than the Synta optics, then they'll
have little to worry about from Synta. Otherwise...

I love how people are so cavlier about this, as if THEIR own jobs
will never be threatened by competition from a vastly lower-paid
Indian or Chinese workforce.

On 20 Jun 2005 04:53:29 -0700, "AstroHoney"
wrote:

They haven't said much about Canada now producing more
cars for American companies than America.

Call up some folks at ITCAN and ask them about some of the absurd
excuses they receive from Americans for not doing business in Canada.

Spoken like a true "Walmart Man." Right hand to left
breast, lets SING the Walmart anthem!!!!!

That's right, Wal-mart is really a commune and all the comrades have
read the Communist Manifesto.
Did you hear that woosh? That was the point
going over your head.
-Rich

RichA wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:54:33 -0700, Pat O'Connell
wrote:

RichA wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 17:10:36 -0700, "AstroHoney"
wrote:

I think you have your head shoved up McCarthy's arse. If Celestron had
been bought by a Canadian company, American's would bemoaning that
production had moved to a
gun-registry-bilingual-gay-marriage-pot-smoking country
(but-at-least-still-better-than-China).

They haven't said much about Canada now producing more cars
for American companies than America.

What really hurts is seeing China beat Americans at their own
"capitalist" game and nothing can be done about--can't even invade 'em.
Anybody who feels guilty about buying from China/Synta is really quite
an idiot and should get their head out of Rich's ass.
...

Spoken like a true "Walmart Man." Right hand to left
breast, lets SING the Walmart anthem!!!!!

If all China produced goods were suddenly stopped at USA Customs and
turned back, US commerce would grind to a halt, as many US manufacturers
produce much of their products in China/Taiwan/Phillipines/Malaysia,
etc. It's called globalization and competition, and it's been happening
for a long time. WalMart just sells the goods, as do Target, KMart,
Sears, Macy's and many other retailers.

If American manufacturers can make optical goods that perform better,
but cost about the same as or less than the Synta optics, then they'll
have little to worry about from Synta. Otherwise...

I love how people are so cavlier about this, as if THEIR own jobs

Believe me, I do worry about my own job.

will never be threatened by competition from a vastly lower-paid
Indian or Chinese workforce.

Not much to be cavalier about--many jobs are already in other countries.

Go into any store that sells clothing and/or electronics. Take a look at
where the stuff's made. Very little is made in the USA. We bought a
KitchenAid mixer recently; the box proudly announces that it's assembled
in the USA. That doesn't necessarily mean the parts were made in the
USA, though.

--
Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...