Is Lori Garver Flip-Flopping, too?

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:05:03 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : : This was a violation of the Uniform Code of
: : : Military Justice, and could have carried the death penalty had the
: : : political establishment been willign to enforce the laws.
: :
: : Then why the hell didn't the government do something about it rather than
: : nothing?
:
: : They may have. The nature of his original discharge in the seventies
: : remains a mystery, because Senator Kerry continues to refuse to
: : release all of his military records. It's possible that he was given
: : a less than honorable discharge (which he later fixed, after entering
: : the Senate) for this very reason.
:
: He fixed it? I thought Clinton did? I can't get the GOP-spin right. Can
: you? What records is Kerry holding that you want released?

: How would I know? He won't release them.

Release what? The papers that claim your insanity?

: Why is Kerry holding his records?

: Why are you asking me? Ask him.

Do you work at being crazy?

: : : By very publicly slandering American soldiers even then fighting and
: : : dying in Vietnam. His words gave great aid and comfort to the North
: : : Vietnamese Communists, who used them to demoralize American prisoners of
: : : war.
: :
: : You're full of crap! This line of bull**** works only in the minds of
: : right-wing nuts such as yourself!
: :
: : The soldiers that are claiming that crap are either paid or dupes.
:
: : My, what persuasive arguments. I'd very much enjoy seeing you call
: : former POWs to their faces that they're "paid" or "dupes."
:
: The Swiftboat people, no problem! All paid!

: As I said, I'd pay good money for you to tell them that to their face.
: I'd settle in with some popcorn.

Okay hook us up... You can't! They'd run from me faster than you would...

: : Tell it to John McCain.
:
: : John McCain cannot speak for all POWs.
:
: He speaks better than the ones that have been paid.

: And your evidence that they've "been paid" is...?


Regnery Publishing has used their name. Next question...

Eric

Scott Lowther ) wrote:


: Eric Chomko wrote:


: : Uh-huh. Tell it to the POWs he stabbed in the back.
:
: Which ones? Give me names.


: Here are 18:
: Dexter Lehtinen
: Jim Warner
: Kenneth Cordier
: George Day
: Jack Fellowes
: Ralph Gaither
: Paul Galanti
: Carlyle Harris
: Gordon Larson
: Kevin McManus
: Thomas McNish
: Thomas Pyle
: Robinson Risner
: Robert Shumaker
: Thomas Sterling
: Leo Thorsness
: Jack Van Loan
: Ronald Webb

I can list 100 veterans that will claim Kerry is better than Bush because
he served. I'd like anyone on the above dispute that!


: : : He does NOT care about preventing nuclear proliferation, because he
: : : himself said: "I think the United States should have offered the
: : : opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not
: : : they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes." It is
: : : blisteringly obvious that Iran does not have a peaceful nuclear program,
: : : but is only interested in bombs. And Kerry wants to aid them.
: :
: : Yeah, right...
:
:
: : Nice rejoinder. Care to explain what possible valid purpose could be
: : served by Kerry sending nuclear materials to Iran?
:
:
: Show me where Kerry sent nuclear meterial to Iran.


: Boy, you just can't read, can you? We're discussing Kerry's INTENTIONS:
: "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
: provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
: actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."


Even the avid Republicans that I know claim your full of **** on that
claim.

: And we're all still waiting for your justification for this position.


Actually I'm waiting for proof you're not a liar.

Eric

Jon S. Berndt (jsb.at.hal-pc-dot.org) wrote:
: "Eric Chomko" wrote in message

: Can you guys get off this thread and change the subject line? Before you
: start bringing up Hitler? (Oh, dang! I just did...)

You're from Houston. The Stros just died. I feel your pain...

But...as I told my cousin:

This Card-thing is beyond you. The StL Cards are up 2-0 to the RedSox in
WS lore. But, the "Curse of the Bambino" can be shed in a HUGE way! Sorry,
there will be no empathy for the Cards when the RedSox lift the curse.
Such is the way of those things!


Eric

Eric Chomko wrote:

Scott Lowther ) wrote:


: Eric Chomko wrote:


: : Uh-huh. Tell it to the POWs he stabbed in the back.
:
: Which ones? Give me names.


: Here are 18:
: Dexter Lehtinen
: Jim Warner
: Kenneth Cordier
: George Day
: Jack Fellowes
: Ralph Gaither
: Paul Galanti
: Carlyle Harris
: Gordon Larson
: Kevin McManus
: Thomas McNish
: Thomas Pyle
: Robinson Risner
: Robert Shumaker
: Thomas Sterling
: Leo Thorsness
: Jack Van Loan
: Ronald Webb

I can list 100 veterans that will claim Kerry is better than Bush because
he served.



That could well be. However, you disputed the notion that POWs felt
stabbed in the back by Kerry's remarks before Congress. Above is
refutation of your viewpoint.


: : : He does NOT care about preventing nuclear proliferation, because he
: : : himself said: "I think the United States should have offered the
: : : opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not
: : : they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes." It is
: : : blisteringly obvious that Iran does not have a peaceful nuclear program,
: : : but is only interested in bombs. And Kerry wants to aid them.
: :
: : Yeah, right...
:
:
: : Nice rejoinder. Care to explain what possible valid purpose could be
: : served by Kerry sending nuclear materials to Iran?
:
:
: Show me where Kerry sent nuclear meterial to Iran.


: Boy, you just can't read, can you? We're discussing Kerry's INTENTIONS:
: "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
: provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
: actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."


Even the avid Republicans that I know claim your full of **** on that
claim.


What? I'm not "claiming" this, I'm simply quoting the man from the third
debate.

Eric Chomko wrote:

Scott Lowther ) wrote:


: Eric Chomko wrote:

: Scott Lowther ) wrote:
:
:
: : Eric Chomko wrote:
:
:
: : : Uh-huh. Tell it to the POWs he stabbed in the back.
: :
: : Which ones? Give me names.
:
:
: : Here are 18:
: : Dexter Lehtinen
: : Jim Warner
: : Kenneth Cordier
: : George Day
: : Jack Fellowes
: : Ralph Gaither
: : Paul Galanti
: : Carlyle Harris
: : Gordon Larson
: : Kevin McManus
: : Thomas McNish
: : Thomas Pyle
: : Robinson Risner
: : Robert Shumaker
: : Thomas Sterling
: : Leo Thorsness
: : Jack Van Loan
: : Ronald Webb
:
: I can list 100 veterans that will claim Kerry is better than Bush because
: he served.



: That could well be. However, you disputed the notion that POWs felt
: stabbed in the back by Kerry's remarks before Congress. Above is
: refutation of your viewpoint.

You gave me a list of die-hard Republicans that happened to be POWs.


And you know these guys are die hard Republicans... how?



Show me a reference that Kerry gave or wanted to give Iran nuclear energy.


"I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."

Scott Lowther ) wrote:


: Eric Chomko wrote:

: Scott Lowther ) wrote:
:
:
: : Eric Chomko wrote:
:
: : Scott Lowther ) wrote:
: :
: :
: : : Eric Chomko wrote:
: :
: :
: : : : Uh-huh. Tell it to the POWs he stabbed in the back.
: : :
: : : Which ones? Give me names.
: :
: :
: : : Here are 18:
: : : Dexter Lehtinen
: : : Jim Warner
: : : Kenneth Cordier
: : : George Day
: : : Jack Fellowes
: : : Ralph Gaither
: : : Paul Galanti
: : : Carlyle Harris
: : : Gordon Larson
: : : Kevin McManus
: : : Thomas McNish
: : : Thomas Pyle
: : : Robinson Risner
: : : Robert Shumaker
: : : Thomas Sterling
: : : Leo Thorsness
: : : Jack Van Loan
: : : Ronald Webb
: :
: : I can list 100 veterans that will claim Kerry is better than Bush because
: : he served.
:
:
:
: : That could well be. However, you disputed the notion that POWs felt
: : stabbed in the back by Kerry's remarks before Congress. Above is
: : refutation of your viewpoint.
:
: You gave me a list of die-hard Republicans that happened to be POWs.


: And you know these guys are die hard Republicans... how?

No I don't. But since you mention it, do you know if ANY are Democrats?
I'd be interested to see what political party affiliation they have.

:
: Show me a reference that Kerry gave or wanted to give Iran nuclear energy.


: "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
: provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
: actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."

I guess the Russians beat them to it. Didn't we pretty much do that with
Israel?

Eric

Eric Chomko wrote:


: And you know these guys are die hard Republicans... how?

No I don't. But since you mention it, do you know if ANY are Democrats?


Don't know. Don't care. But when POWs say that they are ****ed off at a
man whose words were used to make their torment worse, I have little to
no reason to doubt them, especially when their claims make sense.



: Show me a reference that Kerry gave or wanted to give Iran nuclear energy.


: "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
: provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
: actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."

I guess the Russians beat them to it. Didn't we pretty much do that with
Israel?


Last time I checked, Israel posed no nuclear threat to the US. Last time
I checked, Israel did not sit atop a vast supply of petroleum.

I ask you again: what valid reason would there be for the US to give
nuclear fuel to an adversarial nation that was sitting atop all the
energy it woudl ever need?

Scott Lowther ) wrote:


: Eric Chomko wrote:


: : And you know these guys are die hard Republicans... how?
:
: No I don't. But since you mention it, do you know if ANY are Democrats?


: Don't know. Don't care.

Well you should! If each one is a Republican, then what makes you think
the whole thing isn't politically based?

Hell I won't even accept a "poll" about whats what from a group of
Democrats.

: But when POWs say that they are ****ed off at a
: man whose words were used to make their torment worse, I have little to
: no reason to doubt them, especially when their claims make sense.

Or, it was politically based in the first place.

: : Show me a reference that Kerry gave or wanted to give Iran nuclear energy.
:
:
: : "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
: : provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
: : actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."
:
: I guess the Russians beat them to it. Didn't we pretty much do that with
: Israel?


: Last time I checked, Israel posed no nuclear threat to the US. Last time
: I checked, Israel did not sit atop a vast supply of petroleum.

What does oil have to do with it? Admission on your part that this
administration likens "national security" it Cheap Acess To Oil (CATO-TM)?

: I ask you again: what valid reason would there be for the US to give
: nuclear fuel to an adversarial nation that was sitting atop all the
: energy it woudl ever need?

Well since the Russian were the ones that actually did it and not us, you
might want to ask them?

You don't have the balls to do that, is my guess. It is easier for you to
attack someone in the US that is not part of your party. That's safe. It
is the blowhard cowardice aspect of the right-wing that is the most
disgusting.

The term "chickenhawk" comes to mind.

Eric

Eric Chomko wrote:


: : Show me a reference that Kerry gave or wanted to give Iran nuclear energy.
:
:
: : "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
: : provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
: : actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."
:
: I guess the Russians beat them to it. Didn't we pretty much do that with
: Israel?


: Last time I checked, Israel posed no nuclear threat to the US. Last time
: I checked, Israel did not sit atop a vast supply of petroleum.

What does oil have to do with it?


My GOD you're a dumbass. What are the only two things that a nation like
Iran can do with nuclear power?
1: Make electricity
2: Make bombs.

Since Iran is one big puddle of petroleum, they don;t need nukes for
electricity, thus their only goal can be nuclear bombs. And Kerry wants
to help them obtain nuclear fuel.

Scott Lowther ) wrote:


: Eric Chomko wrote:


: : : Show me a reference that Kerry gave or wanted to give Iran nuclear energy.
: :
: :
: : : "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to
: : : provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were
: : : actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."
: :
: : I guess the Russians beat them to it. Didn't we pretty much do that with
: : Israel?
:
:
: : Last time I checked, Israel posed no nuclear threat to the US. Last time
: : I checked, Israel did not sit atop a vast supply of petroleum.
:
: What does oil have to do with it?


: My GOD you're a dumbass. What are the only two things that a nation like
: Iran can do with nuclear power?
: 1: Make electricity
: 2: Make bombs.

: Since Iran is one big puddle of petroleum, they don;t need nukes for
: electricity, thus their only goal can be nuclear bombs. And Kerry wants
: to help them obtain nuclear fuel.

But the Russians already gave it to them. Why are you not bitching about
that? Do you think that because we don't give someone something that they
can't get it? THAT is naive! If we get it for them don't we have a better
chance of monitoring it than if someone else gets it for them? Perhaps
Kerry wanted a means to monitor the inevitable?

You idiot conservatives went off the deep end with China and missile
technology, too. Hell, make China our nation most favored WRT trade as
Reagan did, but don't sell them missile technology, because the latter
means you're a traitor. Yeah, that sends a positive message to the whole
world! And you wonder why the whole world hates us. The latter being
EXACTLY bin Laden's plan.

Eric