More Ares/Orion schedule slips

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2918308.story
Stuff like this will certainly not find favor with the now-forming
Review of U.S. Human Space Flight Plans Committee.

Pat

On Jun 4, 11:24*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...et-troubles-06...
Stuff like this will certainly not find favor with the now-forming
Review of U.S. Human Space Flight Plans Committee.

Pat

We don't see you sending in a personal check in order to help fund the
Ares/Orion fiasco.

~ BG

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

On Jun 4, 11:24*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...et-troubles-06...
Stuff like this will certainly not find favor with the now-forming
Review of U.S. Human Space Flight Plans Committee.

Pat

We don't see you sending in a personal check in order to help fund the
Ares/Orion fiasco.

Every April 15th...

Brian

On Jun 4, 6:10*pm, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

On Jun 4, 11:24*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...et-troubles-06....
Stuff like this will certainly not find favor with the now-forming
Review of U.S. Human Space Flight Plans Committee.

Pat

We don't see you sending in a personal check in order to help fund the
Ares/Orion fiasco.

Every April 15th...

Brian

That doesn't count. You know what I meant, and it wasn't public loot
via taxes, whereas the poor and middle class get to pay the most for
what benefits only the upper most 0.1% (if that much).

~ BG

OM wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:10:40 -0500, Brian Thorn
wrote:

We don't see you sending in a personal check in order to help fund the
Ares/Orion fiasco.
Every April 15th...

...Hopefully Guthball's a tax evader, so one day they'll throw him in
the slammer for the rest of his unnatural life.

Is that a Christian thing, wishing ill will on people?

Or is it just the usual slander?

OM

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On Jun 4, 7:51*pm, kT wrote:
OM wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:10:40 -0500, Brian Thorn
wrote:

We don't see you sending in a personal check in order to help fund the
Ares/Orion fiasco.
Every April 15th...

...Hopefully Guthball's a tax evader, so one day they'll throw him in
the slammer for the rest of his unnatural life.

Is that a Christian thing, wishing ill will on people?

Or is it just the usual slander?

It's perfectly typical of a Zionist Nazi. If they could, all folks
other than a very select few (plus those qualified as personal slaves
and minions) would be systematically exterminated (no good reason to
bother with keeping detailed records like their Nazi partners used to
do)

~ BG

No argument there...escape from the loony bin to wind up in Federal Prison.
"OM" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:10:40 -0500, Brian Thorn
wrote:

We don't see you sending in a personal check in order to help fund the
Ares/Orion fiasco.

Every April 15th...

...Hopefully Guthball's a tax evader, so one day they'll throw him in
the slammer for the rest of his unnatural life.

OM

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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2918308.story
Stuff like this will certainly not find favor with the now-forming Review
of U.S. Human Space Flight Plans Committee.

Quote from article:

Constellation backers, such as Price, say such problems are
inevitable while designing NASA's first new rocket in 30
years. But he acknowledged the timing - on the eve of the
Augustine panel's review - is awful.

"I think it's probably always cause for concern because people
will lose confidence in it," Price said. "But there is another
aspect of it, and that's it's just the way it goes sometimes.
You can't predict where the problems are going to be in a
development program."

Acutally, I think you can predict how risky a design is going to be based on
how similar it is to designs past. The article mentions problems with the
abort motor valves since they're bigger than previous valves. The vibration
problems in Ares I are traceable to the inline design which deviates from
the proven shuttle design with the ET between the SRB's to dampen
vibrations.

These are risks that should have been known from the beginning because
things that are different, just aren't the same.

Direct 3.0 is looking better every day:

http://www.directlauncher.com/docume...SF_Preview.pps
To make the animation sequence work you will need the .wmv video and will
need to place it in the same folder as the .pps file. You can get the .wmv
version he-
http://www.directlauncher.com/media/...upiter-246.wmv

Of course I'd prefer NASA not develop ANY launch vehicles and simply buy
commercial launches for everything.

Jeff
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that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

On Jun 4, 2:29*pm, "Jeff Findley" wrote:


*The article mentions problems with the abort motor valves since they're bigger than previous valves.

The article's section on this says,

"NASA faces a major challenge in developing Orion's launch-abort
system, a series of three solid-rocket motors on top of the Apollo-
like capsule. They would be fired in an emergency to blast the
astronauts to safety away from an exploding rocket.

"It's like designing an entire rocket," said Larry Price, Lockheed
Martin's deputy Orion program manager. "We've got a three-stage rocket
going on here with electronics, batteries, control systems and all the
motors. So to try to do that in the space of [four] years is a pretty
challenging thing."


I guess I didn't know that Apollo Classic escape motors had valves, or
were much more than dumb solid rockets.

Allen Thomson wrote in news:242d7f10-66d6-4e42-97f3-
:

On Jun 4, 2:29*pm, "Jeff Findley" wrote:
The article's section on this says,
[...]
"It's like designing an entire rocket," said Larry Price, Lockheed
Martin's deputy Orion program manager. "We've got a three-stage rocket
going on here with electronics, batteries, control systems and all the
motors. So to try to do that in the space of [four] years is a pretty
challenging thing."

Other than a scale issue and steering, can't they just fish the Apollo
escape tower plans from the archives(*) and start from there ?


(*) - I know a lot was lost during the Apollo program so-called shutdown,
but still, a lot of info must be around.