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![]() "jonathan" wrote in message ... The Bush administration does this with almost every govt agency. Which makes it no different than any other administration. Why do you make a special point to identify the Bush administration? |
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![]() "Scott Hedrick" wrote in message ... "jonathan" wrote in message ... The Bush administration does this with almost every govt agency. Which makes it no different than any other administration. Why do you make a special point to identify the Bush administration? Goldin was a Clinton hack? The repubs have taken what both parties have been doing for ages, and run with it to new levels of abuse. An order of magnitude more. Whether in earmarks/pork, up ten times, to letting big business write their own legislation. Whether in new heights in gerrymandering or lobbying or deficits. And it's catching up with them. Bush is already a lame duck. The republicans run both houses yet both are pretty much paralyzed. They're getting indicted even though they control all three branches of govt...and...have loyal hacks running about everything. That's not easy to do! Under those conditions you really have to try to get people indicted. The last two years for Bush is going to be one scandal after another with nothing getting done. I can't think of a single piece of legislation coming from the repubs to be proud of. |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:34:34 -0500, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The Bush administration does this with almost every govt agency. They push aside career specialists with their 'true believer' team players. Yes men. They take over and make messes wherever they go. Just today State Dept employees are complaining that the career diplomats are being sidelined for party hacks. Same thing in the EPA, the Justice Dept and so on. The whole WMD fiasco came about from the same thing. Only party hacks deciding and the career professionals are ignored. Many career professionals believed there were WMD, and as far as I know, more did than didn't. |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:29:43 -0500, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Scott Hedrick" wrote in message .. . "jonathan" wrote in message ... The Bush administration does this with almost every govt agency. Which makes it no different than any other administration. Why do you make a special point to identify the Bush administration? Goldin was a Clinton hack? He was a Democrat, that Clinton allowed to remain in office throughout his entire term (mainly because Clinton didn't give a damn about space, and couldn't find a qualified woman with which to replace him). Whether in earmarks/pork, up ten times, to letting big business write their own legislation. Whether in new heights in gerrymandering or lobbying or deficits. Do you really believe that Democrats would have been any better on these issues had they remained in power? Really? Do you remember why they were unelected twelve years ago? |
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![]() Scott Hedrick wrote: "jonathan" wrote in message . .. The Bush administration does this with almost every govt agency. Which makes it no different than any other administration. Why do you make a special point to identify the Bush administration? Because this one has a real knack for putting incompetents in positions of power, as the FEMA director and New Orleans fiasco showed. Pat |
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![]() "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:29:43 -0500, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Scott Hedrick" wrote in message .. . "jonathan" wrote in message ... The Bush administration does this with almost every govt agency. Which makes it no different than any other administration. Why do you make a special point to identify the Bush administration? Goldin was a Clinton hack? He was a Democrat, that Clinton allowed to remain in office throughout his entire term (mainly because Clinton didn't give a damn about space, and couldn't find a qualified woman with which to replace him). Whether in earmarks/pork, up ten times, to letting big business write their own legislation. Whether in new heights in gerrymandering or lobbying or deficits. Do you really believe that Democrats would have been any better on these issues had they remained in power? If they held all three branches, I bet they'd be as bad. But you have to admit, the repubs have elevated the term 'towing the line' to new heights. The dems could never control their party like that. Really? Do you remember why they were unelected twelve years ago? Yep, they held all three branches and mucked it up with a hard turn to left. I don't like the hard right either. Do you remember Pres Clinton's approval rating during his last four years? Notice the trend, Clinton +66% -31% (+35%) http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm Notice the trend Bush +42% -55% (-13%) http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm And Congress, notice the trend +35% -61% (-26%) http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob1.htm And the real scandals have yet to play out. The Senate majority leader is biding his time until he goes away for committing insider trading to the tune of fourteen million dollars. Delay is likely to be convicted of a crime. And all the indictments from Abramoff...naming names are yet to unfurl. But no one is talking about those things now, they're too busy getting angry about the NSA spying. I remember the Clinton years rather fondly, as the stock market went from 5000 to 12000 in his last term. As soon as Bush came into office it dropped like a rock back to 8000, you do the math. Jonathan s |
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
... There's something wrong with party discipline? Yes, there is. In countries where party discipline is much tighter than it is in the USA, it stifles debate and bars parliamentarians from acting according to their own consciences and according to the best interests of their constituents. |
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:44:10 +0800, in a place far, far away, "Neil Gerace" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... There's something wrong with party discipline? Yes, there is. In countries where party discipline is much tighter than it is in the USA, it stifles debate and bars parliamentarians from acting according to their own consciences and according to the best interests of their constituents. Even granting your premise, that assumes that there are no differences between parliamentary systems, and that of the US. No, it assumes they are similar, which is true. |
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![]() "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:01:52 -0500, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Whether in earmarks/pork, up ten times, to letting big business write their own legislation. Whether in new heights in gerrymandering or lobbying or deficits. Do you really believe that Democrats would have been any better on these issues had they remained in power? If they held all three branches, I bet they'd be as bad. But you have to admit, the repubs have elevated the term 'towing the line' to new heights. I've never seen that term (at least as spelled, except by illiterates). A spelling flame! How sixth grade. Perhaps my illiteracy is due to the three daytime cold tabs, two hits of nyquil, four hits of decongestent and half a joint I just scarfed down. Maybe not. And curruption. Remember the Congressional Post Office? Another teapot in a tempest, which would describe pretty much every Clinton scandal. Do you have any idea how much taxpayer money the repubs used to investigate Clinton? Gingrich sealed the audits after Congress had spent some 140 million dollars. And that was only half way through. Ken Starr's 25 million was but a drop in comparison. Or was it 40? They were accusing him, with a straight face, of murdering people, ordering hits and stuff. The repubs embarrassed the country. I don't like the hard right either. Do you remember Pres Clinton's approval rating during his last four years? What in the world does an approval rating have to do with whether or not someone is corrupt? Huh! In general corruption drives the numbers ....down. The big drop is due to the recent scandals....corruption. Hell, I'm the biggest supporter of the Iraq war that can be found, still am. But it's becoming pretty dismal in DC these days. Particularly when the press is in the tank for him? He's gotten a free ride until recently, with the war the press backed off for fear of being pegged traitors. I remember the Clinton years rather fondly, as the stock market went from 5000 to 12000 in his last term. Yes, that was the bubble that his policies created, and which this administration had to clean up. Oh well you see, that bubble was the fault of the first Bush, or was it Reagan or FDR? The explosion of the internet caused the boom. Bush caused the bust. Look at the charts more carefully. The boom leveled off until...literally..the day Bush won the election. Then crash, bang ....plop. As soon as Bush came into office it dropped like a rock back to 8000, you do the math. You have a poor memory. The bubble popped in 2000, before Bush was elected. But the recent trends are clear, when democrats are in the White House it's peace and prosperity. With the Bush's it's wars and stagnation. But maybe Bush can get his latest dream passed. Allowing unlimited 'guest workers' in to help keep wages /as low/ as possible. This country has been flooded with illegal immigration since Bush took office. And because of his consistent position that the more immigration the better. Anyways, maybe the next election will be Hillary vs Rice. That might be fun! |
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![]() "Neil Gerace" wrote in message ... "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:44:10 +0800, in a place far, far away, "Neil Gerace" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... There's something wrong with party discipline? Yes, there is. In countries where party discipline is much tighter than it is in the USA, it stifles debate and bars parliamentarians from acting according to their own consciences and according to the best interests of their constituents. Even granting your premise, that assumes that there are no differences between parliamentary systems, and that of the US. No, it assumes they are similar, which is true. There's some substantial differences. Why do you think it is the US favors parliamentary systems when it helps rebuild a country? Think about that for a minute. It's so they don't become competitors in foreign affairs. |
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