Flag at half-staff at my electric company!

"Mark Gingrich" wrote

: Do you mean Girodano Bruno ?


I believe Bruno was the guest of honor at a Friar's Club roast.

No, that was Bruno Kirby, inventor of the vacuum cleaner.

Davoud:
we wouldn't be torturing people,

Ever hear of the Inquisition? :-)

Wasn't that 600 years ago?

we wouldn't be up there
with China, Iran, and Vietnam in the top-four countries employing the
death penalty.

Which Pope was it who stoned Galileo to death for asserting the Earth
was not the center of the Universe (or something like that)?

None. Galileo was poorly treated by the Church, but he died at the age
of 78 years -- died of old age, in other words. Later (much later) the
Church apologized for its treatment of Galileo.

For a more up-to-date look at the church and astronomy, please see
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html. The Vatican
Observatory is investigating, inter alia, Dark Matter and Energy in the
Cosmos, The Acceleration of the Universe, Quasars, and Globular
Clusters.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

Don't waste your time Davoud, people in this part of Usenet turn into
wild dogs foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of the words church,
god, or religion. Though their political dogma preaches tolerance,
diversity, and acceptance, though it doesn't apply to those who happen
to believe in a "higher power" or "intelliegent design"; whatever that
may be. I find it amazing that someone would freak out about a
privately held company or even their own government for that matter,
showing a bit of respect for a man that BILLIONS of the worlds people
loved, admired, and are in mourning for. So much for tolerance.....

Matt


Davoud wrote:
Davoud:
we wouldn't be torturing people,

Ever hear of the Inquisition? :-)

Wasn't that 600 years ago?

we wouldn't be up there
with China, Iran, and Vietnam in the top-four countries employing
the
death penalty.

Which Pope was it who stoned Galileo to death for asserting the
Earth
was not the center of the Universe (or something like that)?

None. Galileo was poorly treated by the Church, but he died at the
age
of 78 years -- died of old age, in other words. Later (much later)
the
Church apologized for its treatment of Galileo.

For a more up-to-date look at the church and astronomy, please see
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html. The Vatican
Observatory is investigating, inter alia, Dark Matter and Energy in
the
Cosmos, The Acceleration of the Universe, Quasars, and Globular
Clusters.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

PLONK!

Another webtv troliot.

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
Do you observe the moon?
Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/

Are you interested in understanding optics?
Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ATM_Optics_Software/

To reply, remove Delete and change period com to period net

"ROM SPACE KNIGHT NURSE" wrote in message
...
I know it's not exactly government, but aren't electric companies
publicly-owned utilities? I said to the clerk behind the counter that I
thought this violated the separation of church and State, because it was
recognizing a religion. She said, "guess we didn't think of that." I
didn't stop at the Post Office today, but if they're flying a flag at
half-mast then I'm going to believe Catholicism is the new State
Religion and I just am finding it out.

All hail Georgito Busholini, our beloved El Douche`, and his brave
Oilshirts----Today Iraq, Tomorrow Ethiopia, Corsica, Tunis!!!

Agreed, his/her posts are of unusually low quality on a routine basis.

yes, my posts are of abysmal quality, and I am a mere webtv moron, but
thanks anyway for the point about "head of State" ...okay, I can buy
that. However, the other abysmal idiots I work with, some of whom also
own the doltish webtv, never thought of that....they were also miffed
that a pope got the flag at half staff. I will let them know what I
learned here and try my very best to meet the high standards of this NG
in the future....I must now go, ala Catholicism, and stone myself. get
it. and pray that oil is never discovered under the Vatican, or its
veins in our teeth and yankee doodle dandy and WMD all over again. and
again. and again.

All hail Georgito Busholini, our beloved El Douche`, and his brave
Oilshirts----Today Iraq, Tomorrow Ethiopia, Corsica, Tunis!!!

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:24:06 -0500, (ROM SPACE KNIGHT NURSE)
wrote:

I know it's not exactly government, but aren't electric companies
publicly-owned utilities? I said to the clerk behind the counter that I
thought this violated the separation of church and State, because it was
recognizing a religion. She said, "guess we didn't think of that." I
didn't stop at the Post Office today, but if they're flying a flag at
half-mast then I'm going to believe Catholicism is the new State
Religion and I just am finding it out.

All hail Georgito Busholini, our beloved El Douche`, and his brave
Oilshirts----Today Iraq, Tomorrow Ethiopia, Corsica, Tunis!!!

The answer to this is very simple. Unless the President ordered the flag to
flown at half staff they are in violation of the law see below.

The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for
an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be
again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day
the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to
the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at
half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States
Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark
of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or
foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to
Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized
customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death
of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory,
or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory,
or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at
half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of
the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the
Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United
States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of
death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a
Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President,
or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of
death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be
flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also
Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection -

the term "half-staff" means the position of the flag when it is one-half
the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;

the term "executive or military department" means any agency listed under
sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and

the term "Member of Congress" means a Senator, a Representative, a
Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.



-JATO
http://jatobservatory.org

30 seconds of research yielded this story and many like it. Is that
too much to ask?

http://www.catholic.org/cathcom/nati...y.php?id=13595

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0050402-3.html



JATO wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:24:06 -0500, (ROM SPACE KNIGHT
NURSE)
wrote:

I know it's not exactly government, but aren't electric companies
publicly-owned utilities? I said to the clerk behind the counter
that I
thought this violated the separation of church and State, because it
was
recognizing a religion. She said, "guess we didn't think of that." I
didn't stop at the Post Office today, but if they're flying a flag
at
half-mast then I'm going to believe Catholicism is the new State
Religion and I just am finding it out.

All hail Georgito Busholini, our beloved El Douche`, and his brave
Oilshirts----Today Iraq, Tomorrow Ethiopia, Corsica, Tunis!!!

The answer to this is very simple. Unless the President ordered the
flag to
flown at half staff they are in violation of the law see below.

The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the
peak for
an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag
should be
again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On
Memorial Day
the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then
raised to
the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be
flown at
half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States
Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as
a mark
of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other
officials or
foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff
according to
Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized
customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the
death
of a present or former official of the government of any State,
territory,
or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State,
territory,
or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at
half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the
death of
the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of
the
Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the
United
States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day
of
death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a
Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice
President,
or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day
of
death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall
be
flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day
is also
Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection -

the term "half-staff" means the position of the flag when it is
one-half
the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;

the term "executive or military department" means any agency listed
under
sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and

the term "Member of Congress" means a Senator, a Representative, a
Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.



-JATO
http://jatobservatory.org

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:35:43 GMT, JATO
wrote:

The answer to this is very simple. Unless the President ordered the flag to
flown at half staff they are in violation of the law see below...

Thankfully, we haven't yet reached the point where violations of flag
_protocol_ are actually violations of the law.

You are basically free to do with the U.S. flag whatever you want. If
that changes, the flag will be just so much trash anyway.

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:35:43 GMT, JATO
wrote:

The answer to this is very simple. Unless the President ordered the
flag to
flown at half staff they are in violation of the law see below...

Thankfully, we haven't yet reached the point where violations of flag
_protocol_ are actually violations of the law.

Don't laugh too hard, but the USPS' (United States Postal Service)
"flag"
stamp is actually a violation of flag protocol ( the US flag cannot
be
displayed on anything designed for temporary use and/or discarded
i.e.,\
an envelope) per section 8i of the Protocol.

See the following URL http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
where you'll find:

Isn't the American flag stamp in violation of the flag rules?

This question has been asked by dozens of visitors to this page. The
answer
appears to be yes. Section 8e. (see below) reads, "The flag should
never be
.... used ... in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn,
soiled, or
damaged in any way." Section 8g. reads, "The flag should never have
placed
upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark ... of any
nature." 8i. reads, "[The flag] should not be printed or otherwise
impressed
on ... anything that is designed for temporary use and discard."

You are basically free to do with the U.S. flag whatever you want. If
that changes, the flag will be just so much trash anyway.

Uh, one could be shot for treason and truckin' with the commies for
wearing US
flag underwear.