Hurricane diversion.

Well there is no reason why we can't make a 500, or a 5000, or a 5,000,000
megaton hydrogen bomb. It seem at some point a large rotational storm would
be blown straight out from the center.

"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
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Rodney Kelp wrote:
What would happen if you dropped a 50 megaton hydrogen bomb in the eye?

You get a radioactive hurricane.

We're talking about a whole different order of magnitude in energy here.
Hydrogen bombs are minor by comparison.
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Rodney Kelp wrote:
Well there is no reason why we can't make a 500, or a 5000, or a 5,000,000
megaton hydrogen bomb. It seem at some point a large rotational storm would
be blown straight out from the center.

Ummm, could "sanity" count as a reason?

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:45:39 -0400, "Rodney Kelp"
wrote:

Well there is no reason why we can't make a 500, or a 5000, or a 5,000,000
megaton hydrogen bomb.

Er, except for the desire to not save the world by destroying it...

Brian

"Christopher M. Jones" wrote in message
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Rodney Kelp wrote:
Well there is no reason why we can't make a 500, or a 5000, or a 5,000,000
megaton hydrogen bomb. It seem at some point a large rotational storm would
be blown straight out from the center.

Ummm, could "sanity" count as a reason?


A vortex is as stable a structure as it gets. Next time you pull
the plug in the tub, kick the little whirlpool with your foot. What
happens? It just forms again. It's the forces generating the
vortex that sustain it. Forces such as the rotation of
the earth and the movement of the atmosphere.

Disrupting those forces to change a hurricane would
be ..well...throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


Jonathan

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Harold Groot wrote:


Attacking weak tropical waves or depressions before they have a chance
to grow into hurricanes isn't promising either. About 80 of these
disturbances form every year in the Atlantic basin, but only about 5
become hurricanes in a typical year. There is no way to tell in
advance which ones will develop. If the energy released in a tropical
disturbance were only 10% of that released in a hurricane, it's still
a lot of power, so that the hurricane police would need to dim the
whole world's lights many times a year.

I think give up on the nuking idea but do focus on the tropical
disturbances. Little changes early could steer them North up the
Atlantic to never make land fall, instead of their usual Westerly
course. I'm thinking of using reflective mylar sheeting on the ocean in
certain areas, black absorbing material in others, changes in the
salinity of surface waters, whatever. Given potential costs of 15 to 100
billion dollars or more from hurricanes making landfall, the US and
other affected countries could afford to put a lot of money into any
sane method of dealing with these things.



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"The rabbits became strange in many ways, different from other rabbits.
They knew well enough what was happening. But even to themselves they
pretended that all was well, for the food was good, they were protected,
they had nothing to fear but the one fear; and that struck here and
there, never enough at a time to drive them away. They forgot the ways
of wild rabbits. They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for
tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?"
-+ Richard Adams, "Watership Down"

"Bill Bonde ( ``Soli Deo Gloria'' )" wrote in message
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Harold Groot wrote:


Attacking weak tropical waves or depressions before they have a chance
to grow into hurricanes isn't promising either. About 80 of these
disturbances form every year in the Atlantic basin, but only about 5
become hurricanes in a typical year. There is no way to tell in
advance which ones will develop. If the energy released in a tropical
disturbance were only 10% of that released in a hurricane, it's still
a lot of power, so that the hurricane police would need to dim the
whole world's lights many times a year.

I think give up on the nuking idea but do focus on the tropical
disturbances. Little changes early could steer them North up the
Atlantic to never make land fall, instead of their usual Westerly
course. I'm thinking of using reflective mylar sheeting on the ocean in
certain areas, black absorbing material in others, changes in the
salinity of surface waters, whatever. Given potential costs of 15 to 100
billion dollars or more from hurricanes making landfall, the US and
other affected countries could afford to put a lot of money into any
sane method of dealing with these things.


It's futile. Even if you could weaken a wave, it would simply
form somewhere else. In addition, the positive effects of
hurricanes aren't being considered. In the Florida keys, some
of the major threats to the reefs are a rise in ocean temperature
a rise in salinity and accumulation of silt. Hurricanes are
a vital component in removing the silt, bringing in fresh
water and maintaining stable ocean temps.

Remember, the oceans are the source of life. Nature
settles into the optimum all by itself and knows what's
best for us.

Never...never...never....doubt the wisdom and beauty
of Nature. If the planet didn't need hurricanes to
maintain edge of chaos stability, they wouldn't exist.


Jonathan

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--
"The rabbits became strange in many ways, different from other rabbits.
They knew well enough what was happening. But even to themselves they
pretended that all was well, for the food was good, they were protected,
they had nothing to fear but the one fear; and that struck here and
there, never enough at a time to drive them away. They forgot the ways
of wild rabbits. They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for
tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?"
-+ Richard Adams, "Watership Down"

(Harold Groot) wrote in message .. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 23:13:41 -0400, "Rodney Kelp"
wrote:

What would happen if you dropped a 50 megaton hydrogen bomb in the eye?

Here's a little more official answer from NOAA
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html


An interesting trivia question, what is the most energetic event to happen
on earth,

A large asteroid impact.

What is the 2nd most:

A hurricane.

So you could wax a hurricane with an asteroid, but that would not be
a good idea!

"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
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I feel it's my duty to solve the hurricane problem once and forever.
Or at least to handwave in a general manner.

How hard is a hurricane to divert?
I assume that you'r not going to stop it dead unless you get rather
drastic, and either cool the seawater it's over, put a barrier film over
that water, or mechanically stop the rotation.
The first and third seem nearly magical, the second merely an engineering
nightmare.

Steering may be possible.
What if you significantly reduce insolation over one half of the
hurricane?
Or would you need to cool the water in half of its track.

I see various numbers on the web for 3-5 billion a year damage to the US
economy from hurricanes.

I vaguely recall an article on the subject in Analog several years ago. Huge
towers kilometers high would be used to dry out the air and collect power
and clean water in the proccess. Apparently an updraft in the tower interior
would expand and cool the saturated air which would precipitate the
moisture out for collection and hydropower. The updraft would sustain
itself as long as the relative humidity and temperatures were high.

The dry air was supposed to either remove the fuel from the hurricane,
or steer it toward wetter locations. ISTR thinking that the costs
outweighed the gains.

Al Jackson wrote:

(Harold Groot) wrote in message .. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 23:13:41 -0400, "Rodney Kelp"
wrote:

What would happen if you dropped a 50 megaton hydrogen bomb in the eye?

Here's a little more official answer from NOAA
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html


An interesting trivia question, what is the most energetic event to happen
on earth,

A large asteroid impact.

What is the 2nd most:

A hurricane.

What's the energy in the jet stream?


--
"The rabbits became strange in many ways, different from other rabbits.
They knew well enough what was happening. But even to themselves they
pretended that all was well, for the food was good, they were protected,
they had nothing to fear but the one fear; and that struck here and
there, never enough at a time to drive them away. They forgot the ways
of wild rabbits. They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for
tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?"
-+ Richard Adams, "Watership Down"

How about this. You could explode a large device at the bottom of the ocean
releasing a few billion cubic meters of methane in the path of the
hurricane. There is a great deal of methane hydrite down there.
What effect that would have I don't know, but it would change a few
parameters of the storm.

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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"Christopher M. Jones" wrote in message
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Rodney Kelp wrote:
Well there is no reason why we can't make a 500, or a 5000, or a
5,000,000
megaton hydrogen bomb. It seem at some point a large rotational storm
would
be blown straight out from the center.

Ummm, could "sanity" count as a reason?


A vortex is as stable a structure as it gets. Next time you pull
the plug in the tub, kick the little whirlpool with your foot. What
happens? It just forms again. It's the forces generating the
vortex that sustain it. Forces such as the rotation of
the earth and the movement of the atmosphere.

Disrupting those forces to change a hurricane would
be ..well...throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


Jonathan

s




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