Battle of the Sidewalk ][

There's the Mojave Desert News, www.desertnews.com , The Antelope
Vally Press , not totaly sure of their web address, but know they got
one, the Daily News from out of L.A., don't know if they put'm online,
and of course the Biggest Gun of all, the Los Angeles Times, don't
know if they'll touch it, but it'll just cost me a stamp to send the
letter in.

BTW, look for post titled Address posted just before this.


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"Alan French" wrote in message
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"Starlord" wrote in message
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Well it had to happen:

I went up to my set up place and parked across the steet and
about
6pm or so started setting up. Now today the Foster Freeze was
having
their car show deal, but I've been there on the corner every year
for
6 years. I had put the rocker box down and had gotten the OTA and
was
just putting it on and putting the straps on when I noticed this
guy
just burning up the sidewalk heading my way. Yep, it was the FF
owner
and frist thing he says is "Your NOT setting up now or ever more
here", So I set up anyway, he said he'd call the cops, I told him
to
go ahead. He did, and they came, they talked, they talked to me,
all
they could do was "Suggest" I move, I said NO. He then complained
my
truck was parked by no parking sign, ( sign says ON PAVEMENT ) So
I
moved it where he couldn't say a word. His last words to me, " You
hard ass, I'm going to court and get an injunction to keep you
from
setting up on MY sidewalk ".

Starlord,

Bummer. Isn't Foster Freeze a franchise? I wonder if it would be
worth
contacting the main Foster Freeze folks. It would be interesting to
know
what the owner's real issue is.

Do any of the papers you are writing to have web sites where we
could view
thier "Letters to the Editor" page?

Clear skies, Alan



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Here is the Foster Freeze Corporate contact page:

http://www.fosterfreeze.com/79156.html

-Paul S. Walsh

I incorrectly assumed this was the Corporate franchise office but upon
further inspection, it looks like it's just one of the franchisees.

Foster's Freeze in Rosamond's local phone is (661) 256-4436

-Paul S. Walsh



"Paul S. Walsh" wrote in message
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Here is the Foster Freeze Corporate contact page:

http://www.fosterfreeze.com/79156.html

-Paul S. Walsh

Paul S. Walsh wrote:
I incorrectly assumed this was the Corporate franchise office but upon
further inspection, it looks like it's just one of the franchisees.

Foster's Freeze in Rosamond's local phone is (661) 256-4436

-Paul S. Walsh

What is the owner's name? Do you happen to have home phone info for him?

Does this Foster's Freeze have a web-page? Or e-mail?

How about a public-minded attorney serving him with a cease and desist
letter?

How about this-----surely somewhere in the local, county, or state
ordinances, it states that sidewalks are PUBLIC property, not the
property of adjacent landowners. What about presenting him with a copy
of such an ordinance?

I've always been told that on a paved steet, with sidewalks, that from
the curb to 10ft in is public access sidewalk / right of way. With
this sidewalk being close to or over 15ft wide, I've always stayed
within that 10ft area. I figure that since the cops couldn't make me
move, I've got some part of the law on my side. I'm going to have to
do some calling and leg work to find out some details.

He'll not miss it, but no longer will I spend my money in there, I'll
go across the street to am-pm for my drink. and no, that sidewalk is
to narror to set up on, it's not much more than 3ft wide.

I was just out working in my garden, and something bubbled up from
down in the deep dank dungons of my mind, "Write the Grovernator".


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"Wayne Howell" wrote in message
...
Paul S. Walsh wrote:
I incorrectly assumed this was the Corporate franchise office but
upon
further inspection, it looks like it's just one of the
franchisees.

Foster's Freeze in Rosamond's local phone is (661) 256-4436

-Paul S. Walsh

What is the owner's name? Do you happen to have home phone info for
him?

Does this Foster's Freeze have a web-page? Or e-mail?

How about a public-minded attorney serving him with a cease and
desist
letter?

How about this-----surely somewhere in the local, county, or state
ordinances, it states that sidewalks are PUBLIC property, not the
property of adjacent landowners. What about presenting him with a
copy
of such an ordinance?


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"Starlord" wrote in message
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I've always been told that on a paved steet, with sidewalks, that from
the curb to 10ft in is public access sidewalk / right of way. With
this sidewalk being close to or over 15ft wide, I've always stayed
within that 10ft area. I figure that since the cops couldn't make me
move, I've got some part of the law on my side. I'm going to have to
do some calling and leg work to find out some details.

He'll not miss it, but no longer will I spend my money in there, I'll
go across the street to am-pm for my drink. and no, that sidewalk is
to narror to set up on, it's not much more than 3ft wide.

I was just out working in my garden, and something bubbled up from
down in the deep dank dungons of my mind, "Write the Grovernator".


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What chaps my hide is that if you put up a sign protesting abortion or some
such, they couldn't do a darn thing about it. Maybe you should paint a
Green Peace logo on your scope.

Tom

His last words to me, " You
hard ass, I'm going to court and get an injunction to keep you from
setting up on MY sidewalk ".

It's amazing how self destructive people can be when serious stupidity sets
in. If I was a business owner and someone was willing to set up for free and
draw people to my area, I sure wouldn't be chasing them away.

Don't let them get you down.

Chuck Taylor
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No, he's not getting me down. To many times in the past I've let
people run over me only to find out later on that I had rights I could
have stood on. Not deal with astronomy, but other things I've done.
But this time I've dug in and I will hold the line, and I'm already
making up a flyer I can start posting all over town, figure I just
might hit where it'll count, the pocket book.

Plus courts just don't hand those things out without good reasons,
he'll have to PROVE I'm on HIS land and that I'm hurting his
operation.


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"CLT" not@thisaddress wrote in message
...
His last words to me, " You
hard ass, I'm going to court and get an injunction to keep you
from
setting up on MY sidewalk ".

It's amazing how self destructive people can be when serious
stupidity sets
in. If I was a business owner and someone was willing to set up for
free and
draw people to my area, I sure wouldn't be chasing them away.

Don't let them get you down.

Chuck Taylor
Do you observe the moon?
Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/
And the Lunar Picture of the Day http://www.lpod.org/
************************************




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"Starlord" wrote in message ...
What get's me, I've been setting up there for 6 years now, and only
within the last few months have they noticed me at all, he says he's
owned the place for 15 years and I've not been there for 6 years, yet,
even tonight, I had people show up that remember seeing and coming
those 6 years ago.

As best I can tell from your message, you've been setting up your
telescope on a public sidewalk at the same place for a long time, and
now some guy is giving you a hard time about it. There are probably a
number of people reading your message who would be willing to write
some letters supporting your cause, if you could provide at least some
basic information about the situation, such as who you are (I'm not
going to write a letter saying "quit bugging 'Starlord'"), in what
town you are doing this, on what street, etc. We're not psychic and
don't know these things, and your message did not provide them.

I wish you good luck in your battle with the jerk from "Foster Freeze"
(whatever that is).

Name: Dennis Bishop
Home: Rosamond,CA.

Yes, just over 6 years ago I started setting up, at that time a
Stargazer Steve 4.25in F9 Dob that had been given to me by luckers
right here on S.A.A..

The place I set up is the corner of Rosamond Blvd and B St. It's a
wide Sidewalk and corner. For most of the time I used that Dob, while
my Babylon 8 project was in the works. During fall, winter, spring
I've mostly set up on maybe friday night and always on Saterday night.
When Summer comes I sometimes set up during the week, as their hours
go up by one hour a night.

This last May, they had a deal where they allowed some Vet group to
have a rally for support of the troops, the women who must be part
owner said I couldn't set up then, as the group was setting up a big
PA system, I moved my scope down the sidewalk to between the two front
driveways. That's when she went from nice to not nice, she was the
first to say they owned the whole sidewalk, and if I didn't go, she
would call the Sheriff's.

Which she did because I would not go away, she was also the first that
ever said I had never gone in to ask them if I could set up on the
Public Sidewalk. The Sheriff's came, before they even got there, she
took off, so they talked to whoever the crew manager in the shop is.
Then came out to me, they didn't even say anything about moving, they
talked Astronomy with me. When back in, then went to their car and
left.

This Saterday was their car rally night, they close up the parking lot
and only old car people get in. They set up a BIG BBQ on the sidewalk
close to where I set up last month. They sell BBQ meat plates most the
night. I was just setting up when this guy made a beeline to me, and
just as I was placing the tube on the rocker box, he tells me that I
can no longer set up there EVER. That HE owns the whole Sidewalk and
if I didn't leave, he'd call the Sheriff's. I just said I was staying.
By the time I was fully set up, and had been for about 20 mins they
showed up and the same thing went on, only he had stayed and he must
have really laid a lot on them. They came to me and asked what I did,
I told them, they then said they couldn't force me, but made the
suggestion to move across the street and set up under the trees by the
school yard, but I held to my spot. He then told them my truck was
parked in a no parking zone, so I moved it, yet the rest of that night
many other cars and trucks parked there, ( Sign says No Parking on
Pavement ) I had been 100% on dirt. On the other side of B St, it's NO
PARKING at all, yet the same thing happened, cars,etc. parked during
the whole time and not one parking ticket was given out.

But just as the cops where leaving, he comes over and tells me he's
going to get a court order to stop me from setting up.

I never got his name, and it's not on anything inside that's displayed
in the shop. At the same time he don't have my address either. It's
odd, that after that deal in May, I set up as before on the other
weekends and nothing was ever said to me.

I posted the address of the place early today.


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"Allison Kirkpatrick" wrote in message
om...
"Starlord" wrote in message
...
What get's me, I've been setting up there for 6 years now, and
only
within the last few months have they noticed me at all, he says
he's
owned the place for 15 years and I've not been there for 6 years,
yet,
even tonight, I had people show up that remember seeing and coming
those 6 years ago.

As best I can tell from your message, you've been setting up your
telescope on a public sidewalk at the same place for a long time,
and
now some guy is giving you a hard time about it. There are probably
a
number of people reading your message who would be willing to write
some letters supporting your cause, if you could provide at least
some
basic information about the situation, such as who you are (I'm not
going to write a letter saying "quit bugging 'Starlord'"), in what
town you are doing this, on what street, etc. We're not psychic and
don't know these things, and your message did not provide them.

I wish you good luck in your battle with the jerk from "Foster
Freeze"
(whatever that is).


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