SETI Searches Today

Rich wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:42 GMT, Klaatu
wrote:

Rich wrote:

Klaatu replied:
SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including
Southern, and Optical SETI search article at Sky and
Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light
for communication, maybe they have quantum entaglement
transceivers or some other unknown technology?)

[snip]

Hopefully they are not using gamma ray bursts for
communication.

I second the motion.

Rich

Quantum entanglement is not well understood "spooky action
at a distance" has been described as ...

[snip]

I've seen no proposals for entanglement that make any sense.

Scientific American had an explanatory cartoon in an issue
that illustrates the issue completely.

[snip]

Don't bet the farm on entanglement, this tree won't bear
fruit.

Rich

Besides, even if it could work, the pair of entangled particles
would need to be installed in advance -- which could take 100's
to 1000's of years to accomplish.

--
Martin G. Diehl

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about it.

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Martin G. Diehl wrote:

Rich wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:42 GMT, Klaatu
wrote:

Rich wrote:

Klaatu replied:
SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including
Southern, and Optical SETI search article at Sky and
Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light
for communication, maybe they have quantum entaglement
transceivers or some other unknown technology?)

[snip]

Hopefully they are not using gamma ray bursts for
communication.

I second the motion.

Rich

Quantum entanglement is not well understood "spooky action
at a distance" has been described as ...

[snip]

I've seen no proposals for entanglement that make any sense.

Scientific American had an explanatory cartoon in an issue
that illustrates the issue completely.

[snip]

Don't bet the farm on entanglement, this tree won't bear
fruit.

Rich

Besides, even if it could work, the pair of entangled particles
would need to be installed in advance -- which could take 100's
to 1000's of years to accomplish.


Old advanced civilizations would have the time to do that with conventional
means. With the recent announcement about dark matter
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994214 our understanding
of physics may be in for major revision. If they missed a light mass
particle that accounts for most of the mass in the universe who knows.

Martin G. Diehl wrote:

Rich wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:42 GMT, Klaatu
wrote:

Rich wrote:

Klaatu replied:
SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including
Southern, and Optical SETI search article at Sky and
Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light
for communication, maybe they have quantum entaglement
transceivers or some other unknown technology?)

[snip]

Hopefully they are not using gamma ray bursts for
communication.

I second the motion.

Rich

Quantum entanglement is not well understood "spooky action
at a distance" has been described as ...

[snip]

I've seen no proposals for entanglement that make any sense.

Scientific American had an explanatory cartoon in an issue
that illustrates the issue completely.

[snip]

Don't bet the farm on entanglement, this tree won't bear
fruit.

Rich

Besides, even if it could work, the pair of entangled particles
would need to be installed in advance -- which could take 100's
to 1000's of years to accomplish.


Old advanced civilizations would have the time to do that with conventional
means. With the recent announcement about dark matter
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994214 our understanding
of physics may be in for major revision. If they missed a light mass
particle that accounts for most of the mass in the universe who knows.

Klaatu wrote:
SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including Southern, and Optical SETI
search article at Sky and Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light for communication,
maybe they have quantum entaglement transceivers or some other unknown
technology?)

Actually they use probability modulation which casinos the best detectors.

--
Memory Hole: The only al Qaeda cell uncovered intact was
operated by Israel in Gaza.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 2859

Klaatu wrote:
SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including Southern, and Optical SETI
search article at Sky and Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light for communication,
maybe they have quantum entaglement transceivers or some other unknown
technology?)

Actually they use probability modulation which casinos the best detectors.

--
Memory Hole: The only al Qaeda cell uncovered intact was
operated by Israel in Gaza.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 2859

BUT I think the point was "unknown tech". It is hard to test for unknown
tech.

I still think the most likely spot to look for ET is Earth and low orbit.
We just need to ask the government how their transmitters work (if they have
figured it out yet)



"Klaatu" wrote in message
. ..
Martin G. Diehl wrote:

Rich wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:42 GMT, Klaatu
wrote:

Rich wrote:

Klaatu replied:
SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including
Southern, and Optical SETI search article at Sky and
Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light
for communication, maybe they have quantum entaglement
transceivers or some other unknown technology?)

[snip]

Hopefully they are not using gamma ray bursts for
communication.

I second the motion.

Rich

Quantum entanglement is not well understood "spooky action
at a distance" has been described as ...

[snip]

I've seen no proposals for entanglement that make any sense.

Scientific American had an explanatory cartoon in an issue
that illustrates the issue completely.

[snip]

Don't bet the farm on entanglement, this tree won't bear
fruit.

Rich

Besides, even if it could work, the pair of entangled particles
would need to be installed in advance -- which could take 100's
to 1000's of years to accomplish.


Old advanced civilizations would have the time to do that with
conventional
means. With the recent announcement about dark matter
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994214 our understanding
of physics may be in for major revision. If they missed a light mass
particle that accounts for most of the mass in the universe who knows.

BUT I think the point was "unknown tech". It is hard to test for unknown
tech.

I still think the most likely spot to look for ET is Earth and low orbit.
We just need to ask the government how their transmitters work (if they have
figured it out yet)



"Klaatu" wrote in message
. ..
Martin G. Diehl wrote:

Rich wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:42 GMT, Klaatu
wrote:

Rich wrote:

Klaatu replied:
SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including
Southern, and Optical SETI search article at Sky and
Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light
for communication, maybe they have quantum entaglement
transceivers or some other unknown technology?)

[snip]

Hopefully they are not using gamma ray bursts for
communication.

I second the motion.

Rich

Quantum entanglement is not well understood "spooky action
at a distance" has been described as ...

[snip]

I've seen no proposals for entanglement that make any sense.

Scientific American had an explanatory cartoon in an issue
that illustrates the issue completely.

[snip]

Don't bet the farm on entanglement, this tree won't bear
fruit.

Rich

Besides, even if it could work, the pair of entangled particles
would need to be installed in advance -- which could take 100's
to 1000's of years to accomplish.


Old advanced civilizations would have the time to do that with
conventional
means. With the recent announcement about dark matter
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994214 our understanding
of physics may be in for major revision. If they missed a light mass
particle that accounts for most of the mass in the universe who knows.

Martin G. Diehl replied:
Rich wrote:

Klaatu replied:

SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including Southern,
and Optical SETI search article at Sky and Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light
for communication, maybe they have quantum entaglement
transceivers or some other unknown technology?)


That would be an unproved assumption or speculation.


Quantum entanglement is a property of photons or particles,
which travel at the speed of light for photons or less for
particles.

In the case of photons, they are using light (or radio for
lower frequencies).


In the case of particles, much much slower.

Hopefully they are not using gamma ray bursts for
communication.

Rich


" ... using gamma ray bursts ..." From the standpoint of the
message recipient, would that be similar to sitting in front
row seats at a heavy metal rock concert; or attending the
"Disaster Area (a plutonium rock band)" concert as described
in Douglas Adams' HHG). g For details, you might review
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7356/hhgttg/guide-d.html

Hehe, nice analogy. :^/

I'm also reminded of a Star Trek movie, I think it was 4, where
the visiting aliens almost destroyed the earth when they were
not answered by whales. Wonder of Wales will still exist then?

Rich

Martin G. Diehl replied:
Rich wrote:

Klaatu replied:

SETI. Project Phoenix, Project SERENDIP including Southern,
and Optical SETI search article at Sky and Telescope.

http://skyandtelescope.com/resources...icle_248_1.asp

(Possibly advanced civilizations don't use radio or light
for communication, maybe they have quantum entaglement
transceivers or some other unknown technology?)


That would be an unproved assumption or speculation.


Quantum entanglement is a property of photons or particles,
which travel at the speed of light for photons or less for
particles.

In the case of photons, they are using light (or radio for
lower frequencies).


In the case of particles, much much slower.

Hopefully they are not using gamma ray bursts for
communication.

Rich


" ... using gamma ray bursts ..." From the standpoint of the
message recipient, would that be similar to sitting in front
row seats at a heavy metal rock concert; or attending the
"Disaster Area (a plutonium rock band)" concert as described
in Douglas Adams' HHG). g For details, you might review
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7356/hhgttg/guide-d.html

Hehe, nice analogy. :^/

I'm also reminded of a Star Trek movie, I think it was 4, where
the visiting aliens almost destroyed the earth when they were
not answered by whales. Wonder of Wales will still exist then?

Rich