Two shuttles meet on the ground

On 08/13/2011 03:12 AM, dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
Il 13/08/2011 03:05, vaughn ha scritto:
"Ray wrote in message
...

I'd imaginge Huntsville Al will get one.
Maybe the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton Ohio.{best
airplane museum in world, a must see for any admirer of planes and
it's free}
I doubt they'd fit into the Smithsonian, Maybe the Silver Springs Annex.

Have you been living under a rock?

1) Shuttle Enterprise, (the glider flight test airframe), will move
from the
Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy
Center in
Virginia to the Intrepid Sea, Air& Space Museum in New York.
2) The Udvar-Hazy Center will become the new home for shuttle
Discovery, which
retired after completing its 39th mission in March.
3) Shuttle Endeavour, will go to the California Science Center in Los
Angeles.
4) Shuttle Atlantis, will be displayed at the Kennedy Space Center
Visitor's
Complex in Florida.

Bravo ! even I can't think of a better geographical/museum placing for
the former shuttles

Really? Three out of four orbiters on the east coast, two within four
hours travel of each other? I can easily think of a better distribution
than that: Endeavour to Houston, Enterprise to Los Angeles (or Seattle),
rest remain the same.

On 13.8.2011 11:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
So will they put the real bits back once makde clean and safe, ie, wiill
they be complete internally, or will they just use plastic and stuff and gut
all the innards whre they can?

Brian


all the internal tankage and plumbing from the OMS and RCS systems will
be removed. Some museum had a nasty leak after many years with similar,
supposedly "emptied and cleaned" artifact, so they'll not taking any risks.

--
Mika Takala

"Bill Shatzer" wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:


I'd imaginge Huntsville Al will get one.
Maybe the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton Ohio.{best
airplane museum in world, a must see for any admirer of planes and it's
free}

You're a bit late to the party. NASA announced the destinations of the
shuttles several months back.

Atlantis goes to the Kennedy Space Center, Endeavour to the California
Science Center in LA and and Discovery to the Smithsonian. And as a
consolation prize, the Intrepid Museum in NYC gets the test mule
Enterprise.

I doubt they'd fit into the Smithsonian, Maybe the Silver Springs Annex.

The Udvar-Hazy facility at Dulles actually. It'll fit.

cheers,


so it won't be in the Smithsonian proper and at an annex.

"Ray O'Hara" wrote in message
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so it won't be in the Smithsonian proper and at an annex.

Your point? Udvar-Hazy at Dulles airport is a huge, fairly new, first-rate
facility that allows the Smithsonian to display more of its aircraft collection.
Take the time to visit, and you will understand. There simply isn't room on the
national mall for such a facility. It's location away from other Smithsonian
facilities in no way diminishes it.

Vaughn

Brian Gaff heeft uiteengezet op 13-8-2011 :
So will they put the real bits back once makde clean and safe, ie, wiill they
be complete internally, or will they just use plastic and stuff and gut all
the innards whre they can?

Brian
Very likely the SSME's won't be the 'real-deal'... also a mock-up
instead of flown SSME's.

On 8/13/2011 12:30 PM, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andr=E9 wrote:
Brian Gaff heeft uiteengezet op 13-8-2011 :
So will they put the real bits back once makde clean and safe, ie,
wiill they be complete internally, or will they just use plastic and
stuff and gut all the innards whre they can?

Brian
Very likely the SSME's won't be the 'real-deal'... also a mock-up
instead of flown SSME's.



or they will put on the flight shapes. (areodynamic shapes that
replace the engine modules for ferry flights on the 747. The RCS and
engine modules can be yanked and shipped seperately via hazmat carrier,
leaving a shuttle that is substantially lighter and safer to ferry.

--Dale

Dalesql formuleerde de vraag :
On 8/13/2011 12:30 PM, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andr=E9 wrote:
Brian Gaff heeft uiteengezet op 13-8-2011 :
So will they put the real bits back once makde clean and safe, ie,
wiill they be complete internally, or will they just use plastic and
stuff and gut all the innards whre they can?

Brian
Very likely the SSME's won't be the 'real-deal'... also a mock-up
instead of flown SSME's.



or they will put on the flight shapes. (areodynamic shapes that replace
the engine modules for ferry flights on the 747. The RCS and engine modules
can be yanked and shipped seperately via hazmat carrier, leaving a shuttle
that is substantially lighter and safer to ferry.

--Dale

I also have read somewhre the original flown nozzels will be used at
display sites, and the engine itself (turbo-pumps, electronics etc)
will not be mounted in the orbiters at the display.

On 8/17/2011 5:22 AM, bob haller wrote:
and one issue was a improperly attached orbiter that nearly fell off
the carrier aircraft

Are you talking about the flight carrying Atlantis from Florida to
Palmdale in '97? If so, where do you get the "nearly fell off the
carrier aircraft" bit?

Bob M.

JF Mezei wrote:

OK, let me re-ask my questions:

On those times when the Shuttle landed in California and had to be
ferried back to Florida. Did they remove the SSMEs prior to the 747 flight ?

If not, and if the 747 was geared towards carrying the shuttle with the
SSMEs, then centre of gravity issues arise when you attempt to carry a
shuttle without engines.

Not saying it is a show stopper, just asking how they deal with it.

Tis a pity that so many boneheads rely on usenet as a prime source of "facts".
;-)

On 08/13/2011 02:01 PM, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andr=E9 wrote:
Dalesql formuleerde de vraag :
On 8/13/2011 12:30 PM, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andr=E9 wrote:
Brian Gaff heeft uiteengezet op 13-8-2011 :
So will they put the real bits back once makde clean and safe, ie,
wiill they be complete internally, or will they just use plastic and
stuff and gut all the innards whre they can?

Brian
Very likely the SSME's won't be the 'real-deal'... also a mock-up
instead of flown SSME's.



or they will put on the flight shapes. (areodynamic shapes that
replace the engine modules for ferry flights on the 747. The RCS and
engine modules can be yanked and shipped seperately via hazmat
carrier, leaving a shuttle that is substantially lighter and safer to
ferry.

--Dale

I also have read somewhre the original flown nozzels will be used at
display sites, and the engine itself (turbo-pumps, electronics etc) will
not be mounted in the orbiters at the display.

Not quite right, if you're implying that the nozzles from their final
flights will be the ones on display. The engines from their final
flights will be saved in their entirety in case SLS could make use of
them. They will be displayed with real nozzles, scavenged from older
engines.