Russia celebrates Space Station completion by planning to drop it inthe Pacific Ocean.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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"Dennis" wrote in message
. 4.11...
David E. Powell wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...-sink-internat
ional-space-station-in-2020/

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...plans-to-sink-
international-space-station-in-2020/

Yeah, stripping NASA is a great idea.... :P


Where's it gonna come down? Remember Skylab? :-)

Dennis
Actually, this is hardly new news is it? The debate on what to do with it
after its got terminal knackered-ness has been going on for some time.
I'd certainly not want to see an uncontrolled re entry when its done. The
real legacy of the station, in my view has been learning what works and
what does not in space and how to make things up there.
The next stage in the story is how to survive with large amounts of
radiation around and very reliable repairable life support systems that
do not rely on being close to the source of the parts for survival.

Can we do it? Hard to say yet. We could find we are marooned here.

Brian



until we develope "warp drive" manned space flight is pointless.

On Thursday 28 Jul 2011 18:04, Ray O'Hara wrote:

until we develope "warp drive" manned space flight is pointless.

Until the day that humanity needs a lifeboat.

--
Alex

Fred J. McCall wrote:
Andrew Swallow wrote:

On 27/07/2011 21:05, David E. Powell wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...ation-in-2020/

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...plans-to-sink-
international-space-station-in-2020/

Yeah, stripping NASA is a great idea.... :P

Nothing to worry about 2020 is when NASA stops funding the
International Space Station. The Russians are just working out what
to do about the mess.


Under international law, once we stop funding it we pretty much have
an obligation to reenter all the pieces we launched to make sure they
don't hit anything when they come down.

Actually the USA is only responsible for the bits it put in orbit.
The Russians are already looking at the possibility of reusing
some of the modules they launched.

Keith

dott.Piergiorgio wrote:

Il 27/07/2011 23:37, Dennis ha scritto:


Interesting! I'm reading "The Next 100 Years" by George Friedman of
STRATFOR. His predictions to 2020 a

1) We're at the end of the Islamic-terrorism war, which will fizzle
out.

2) China will fragment internally. The coastal cities and regions
are making all the money. The central gov't will want to send some
of it to the interior but won't be able to, so they won't be able to
tell the coastal areas what to do. This may not be very wisible to
us; mainly it means China won't be much of a player on the world
scene.

3) OTOH, there will be a mini-repeat of the Cold War with Russia as
it rebuilds militarily and tries to rebuild its strategic buffers.
It won't get very hot. The US will ally with the Eastern European
states. It will end about like the last one around 2020.

So, could this be the first play? :-)

In what year was published ? and from the date of publication until
now what is the rate of successful predictions ?

Anyway, I highly mistrust "laity" (so to speak) predictions...

Pubished in 2009. Too early to say about which predictions are
successful. 1) seems to be on track, but it's too early to say. As for
3) Russia has been flexing its muscles for a while now, but I don't know
if it'll succeed in rebuilding its military in time for it to mean
anything. Perhaps that's why it loses Cold War II by 2020.

For US sake, let's hope 2) is correct. We've been watching China's naval
developments here, but we recognize that those will take decades.

Do you mean that you trust spiritual/esoteric predictions more?

Geopolitics is what I tend to believe, and he has at least a good command
of it. As I said, he runs the STRATFOR site, which has good analyses.

Dennis

On 29/07/2011 04:25, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Keith wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:
Andrew wrote:

On 27/07/2011 21:05, David E. Powell wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...ation-in-2020/

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...plans-to-sink-
international-space-station-in-2020/

Yeah, stripping NASA is a great idea.... :P

Nothing to worry about 2020 is when NASA stops funding the
International Space Station. The Russians are just working out what
to do about the mess.


Under international law, once we stop funding it we pretty much have
an obligation to reenter all the pieces we launched to make sure they
don't hit anything when they come down.

Actually the USA is only responsible for the bits it put in orbit.


Actually that's exactly what I said, hence the phrase "all the pieces
we launched".


Although it may be simpler to bring the whole of the ISS down in one go.

Andrew Swallow

You will have a long wait then.

My feeling is that there is nothing wrong with colonising near planets and
moons, but if you want to go out into the far reaches of space, you may
actually find that the real answer is that the distance is only there in
the dimensions we are stuck in. Maybe we can encapsulate ourselves to
protect us from the effects of this, effectively giving instant travel to
anywhere. the power implications of doing this are vast though!

Brian

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"Dennis" wrote in message
. 4.11...
David E. Powell wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...-sink-internat
ional-space-station-in-2020/

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...plans-to-sink-
international-space-station-in-2020/

Yeah, stripping NASA is a great idea.... :P


Where's it gonna come down? Remember Skylab? :-)

Dennis
Actually, this is hardly new news is it? The debate on what to do with it
after its got terminal knackered-ness has been going on for some time.
I'd certainly not want to see an uncontrolled re entry when its done. The
real legacy of the station, in my view has been learning what works and
what does not in space and how to make things up there.
The next stage in the story is how to survive with large amounts of
radiation around and very reliable repairable life support systems that
do not rely on being close to the source of the parts for survival.

Can we do it? Hard to say yet. We could find we are marooned here.

Brian



until we develope "warp drive" manned space flight is pointless.

We all have brains, and often its unconventional thinking that makes the
breakthroughs.

Brian

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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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"Ray O'Hara" wrote:


until we develope "warp drive" manned space flight is pointless.


Until you develop a brain Rayl O'Hara is pointless.

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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Fred J. McCall wrote:

"Ray O'Hara" wrote:


until we develope "warp drive" manned space flight is pointless.



Until you develop a brain Rayl O'Hara is pointless.


Well, Fwed, once again you are correct and O'Hara is wrong, and I
know well what our space programs have and can produce. O'hara
is a wrongly opinionated nut job.

Fred J. McCall wrote:

"Keith Willshaw" wrote:


Fred J. McCall wrote:

Andrew Swallow wrote:


On 27/07/2011 21:05, David E. Powell wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...ation-in-2020/

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...plans-to-sink-
international-space-station-in-2020/

Yeah, stripping NASA is a great idea.... :P

Nothing to worry about 2020 is when NASA stops funding the
International Space Station. The Russians are just working out what
to do about the mess.


Under international law, once we stop funding it we pretty much have
an obligation to reenter all the pieces we launched to make sure they
don't hit anything when they come down.

Actually the USA is only responsible for the bits it put in orbit.



Actually that's exactly what I said, hence the phrase "all the pieces
we launched".

Damn, Fwed, you are *exactly* right again, as any intelligent
person can read for themselves! (willshaw can't read?)

china leadership set itself up to be overthrown with its one child
policy. boys take care of parents, so theres a dramatic shortage of
females. at some point such a situation will rip apart the country.

In the US our dysfunctional congress and lack of leadership will rip
apart our country. if congress tanks our economy and causes a
depression by playing partisian politics i can see a revolution here