The Next Military Step...Stealth Weapons?

Lasers will not give away the position of the weapon
or leave behind any physical evidence showing who
is responsible for the attack.

Things will just seem to suddenly explode
for no apparent reason with laser strikes.

Whether placed in Hummers, or a C-130 [1]
where its laser already can pop a tire at five miles.
Or mounted on a naval vessel [2].

Or whether the attack is from a ground based
laser, such as the Starfire Optical Range [3]
where the beam might be directed globally using a
constellation of mirrors [4] in low earth orbit.

Or whether some laser is mounted in a future version
of our military space plane [5], which is set to launch
this month.

They will all have one common element. Which is that
the target will explode without any warning, and without
leaving behind any evidence of who or what was
responsible for the attack.

Is this the future of modern warfare?

In any event, I feel very fortunate to be on the ...same side
of the folks building this stuff.


Jonathan

[1] Advanced Tactical Laser
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/ic/des/index.html

[2] Maritime Laser Demonstration
http://www.armybase.us/2010/01/marit...aval-research/

[3] Starfire
http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/28/s...sciences-sake/

[4] Advanced Relay Mirror System
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/arms.htm

[5] Military Space plane X-37b
http://news.cnet.com/military-tech/?keyword=Boeing




s

On Apr 12, 5:45*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
Lasers will not give away the position of the weapon
or leave behind any physical evidence showing who
is responsible for the attack.

Things will just seem to suddenly explode
for no apparent reason with laser strikes.

Whether placed in Hummers, or a C-130 [1]
where its laser already can pop a tire at five miles.
Or mounted on a naval vessel [2].

Or whether the attack is from a ground based
laser, such as the Starfire Optical Range [3]
where the beam might be directed globally using a
constellation of mirrors [4] *in low earth orbit.

Or whether some laser is mounted in a future version
of our military space plane [5], which is set to launch
this month.

They will all have one common element. Which is that
the target will explode without any warning, and without
leaving behind any evidence of who or what was
responsible for the attack.

Is this the future of modern warfare?

In any event, I feel very fortunate to be on the ...same side
of the folks building this stuff.

Jonathan

[1] Advanced Tactical Laserhttp://www.boeing.com/defense-space/ic/des/index.html

[2] Maritime Laser Demonstrationhttp://www.armybase.us/2010/01/maritime-laser-demonstration-mld-passe...

[3] Starfirehttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/28/starfire-optical-range-a-death-ray...

[4] Advanced Relay Mirror Systemhttp://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/arms.htm

[5] Military Space plane X-37bhttp://news.cnet.com/military-tech/?keyword=Boeing

s

It just makes makes murder, mayhem, and misuse more likely.

"lorad" wrote in message
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It just makes murder, mayhem, and misuse more likely.

That's what bothers me also, as our ability to reduce civilian casualties
increases, it might make the use of those weapons more likely.
Maybe even leading to essentially a constant state or war, which
the war on terror seems to be. Wouldn't that scenario, where our
military is zapping some evil-doer on a daily basis, turn our
military into more of an international police force?

If we build the capability which allows us to be the policemen
of the world, do we then have a moral obligation to become
just that?



Jonathan


s

On Apr 11, 9:32*am, "Jonathan" wrote:


If we build the capability which allows us to be the policemen
of the world, do we then have a moral obligation to become
just that?

Jonathan

The US is relatively short on secret-police experience, we never had
an OAS or IRA or ETA or Red Army Faction to suppress. And it's a
necessary GloboCop skill I hope we don't have to acquire.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Apr 11, 9:32 am, "Jonathan" wrote:


If we build the capability which allows us to be the policemen
of the world, do we then have a moral obligation to become
just that?

Jonathan

The US is relatively short on secret-police experience, we never had
an OAS or IRA or ETA or Red Army Faction to suppress. And it's a
necessary GloboCop skill I hope we don't have to acquire.

It's looking to me like the war on terror is creating that ability.
We seem to make some bad guy explode on a pretty regular
basis these days, going on ten years really.

And reading some of the military literature concerning the kinds
of capabilities the military wants ten and twenty years out, it
looks like our technology advances with missile defense will
translate to a very effective world-wide precision strike
capability.

Missile defense will do more than just destroy launching
and incoming missiles, but they want to be able to immediately
track the mobile launcher and take it out in real time.

And everything points towards lasers as the answer.
The scenario below clearly shows how a missile defense
system can be directly turned into an offensive system.



(2006)
US ARMY SPACE MASTER PLAN

"Future Scenario"

"In a future small, regional conflict (2020), a threat force
launches a theater ballistic missile at US/coalition forces using
a Transporter Erector Launch vehicle (TEL). TheSpace-Based
IntraRed Sensor (SBIRS) System detects the launch and tracks the
missile through burn-out, providing data to the Joint Tactical Ground
Station/Multi-Mission Mobile Processor (JTAGS/M3P). The
JTAGS/M3P predicts the trajectory path from SBIRS data
and passes that information to missile defense interceptors; it
also provides missile warning messages to other appropriate
theater network based oni mpact point predictions. SBIRS also
provides a machine-to-machine cue, with the estimated launch point,
to the Space Radar system. The Space Radar (SR) platform uses a
real-time prioritizing algorithm (based on a priori rule sets) to
re-stack its collection order and repositions its antenna to provide
radar moving target indicator coverage of the estimated launch point."

"The SR tracks the TEL when it begins to move to its hide site,
and passes the track information through the Distributed Common
Ground System to either the Joint Operations Center or the Joint
Air Defense OperationCenter for assigning a weapons platform
to the TEL. Space Radar continues to provide track information
to the assigned weapons platform while it is enroute, enabling the
weapons platform to quickly locate and kill the target."
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...BdDX5oAJyvgc1g


DIRECTED ENERGY DIRECTORATE

"Long Range Strike - Identify, communicate and attack time critical targets
anytime; anywhere."
http://www.kirtland.af.mil/library/f...et.asp?id=7971

Jonathan wrote:

It's looking to me like the war on terror is creating that ability.
We seem to make some bad guy explode on a pretty regular
basis these days, going on ten years really.

It makes wedding parties explode as well.

It isn't the weapons that need improvement, it's the targeting...

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

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Lasers will not give away the position of the weapon
or leave behind any physical evidence showing who
is responsible for the attack.

Things will just seem to suddenly explode
for no apparent reason with laser strikes.

Whether placed in Hummers, or a C-130 [1]
where its laser already can pop a tire at five miles.
Or mounted on a naval vessel [2].

Or whether the attack is from a ground based
laser, such as the Starfire Optical Range [3]
where the beam might be directed globally using a
constellation of mirrors [4] in low earth orbit.

Or whether some laser is mounted in a future version
of our military space plane [5], which is set to launch
this month.

They will all have one common element. Which is that
the target will explode without any warning, and without
leaving behind any evidence of who or what was
responsible for the attack.

Is this the future of modern warfare?

In any event, I feel very fortunate to be on the ...same side
of the folks building this stuff.


Jonathan

[1] Advanced Tactical Laser
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/ic/des/index.html

[2] Maritime Laser Demonstration
http://www.armybase.us/2010/01/marit...aval-research/

[3] Starfire
http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/28/s...sciences-sake/

[4] Advanced Relay Mirror System
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/arms.htm

[5] Military Space plane X-37b
http://news.cnet.com/military-tech/?keyword=Boeing


Perhaps it's the future of warfare on clear and sunny days. That
just means the grunts, as usual, will have to fight in the rain,
dust storms, and snow.

Mark Borgerson

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"Jonathan" wrote:

Lasers will not give away the position of the weapon
or leave behind any physical evidence showing who
is responsible for the attack.

Things will just seem to suddenly explode
for no apparent reason with laser strikes.

Whether placed in Hummers, or a C-130 [1]
where its laser already can pop a tire at five miles.
Or mounted on a naval vessel [2].

Surface based lasers are limited to LOS horizon, silly.

Or whether the attack is from a ground based
laser, such as the Starfire Optical Range [3]
where the beam might be directed globally using a
constellation of mirrors [4] in low earth orbit.

That's better.

Or whether some laser is mounted in a future version
of our military space plane [5], which is set to launch
this month.

They will all have one common element. Which is that
the target will explode without any warning, and without
leaving behind any evidence of who or what was
responsible for the attack.

Is this the future of modern warfare?

In any event, I feel very fortunate to be on the ...same side
of the folks building this stuff.

Amen.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan