K12 (World Wide Whitewash)

"Rowley" wrote in message
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BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 7, 4:29 pm, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

major snippage

Hired infomercial spewing thugs (E terrorists) in the form of faith-
based and political special interest cabals, plus always Big Energy
and Global Corporate Greed Incorporated (usually offshore and/or
government protected) have their trusty army of brown-nosed clowns,
rusemasters and otherwise mainstream status quo enforcers on
sufficient retainers, and/or as having been brainwashed into acting/
reacting out of fear and otherwise exactly as programmed, is what
these public Usenet/newsgroups are saturated with.

Turning my head and looking right, now looking left.. I really don't see
any of those people here in the group I'm in, I think there are just
about three or four of us left here - keep in mind you've cross-posted
this thread to five groups....

But given that I think I've seen less than a dozen people posting in the
past year or so, "saturated" might be a relative term...


One unpoliced brown-nosed clown is one too many.

There is somewhere around 6,692,030,277 people in the world today,

Wow! Is that 6,692,030,276 or 6,692,030,278 ?

On Jan 9, 6:23*am, Rowley wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 7, 4:29 pm, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

major snippage

Hired infomercial spewing thugs (E terrorists) in the form of faith-
based and political special interest cabals, plus always Big Energy
and Global Corporate Greed Incorporated (usually offshore and/or
government protected) have their trusty army of brown-nosed clowns,
rusemasters and otherwise mainstream status quo enforcers on
sufficient retainers, and/or as having been brainwashed into acting/
reacting out of fear and otherwise exactly as programmed, is what
these public Usenet/newsgroups are saturated with.

Turning my head and looking right, now looking left.. I really don't see
any of those people here in the group I'm in, I think there are just
about three or four of us left here - keep in mind you've cross-posted
this thread to five groups....

But given that I think I've seen less than a dozen people posting in the
past year or so, "saturated" might be a relative term...

One unpoliced brown-nosed clown is one too many.

There is somewhere around 6,692,030,277 people in the world today, and
about 200+/- or so (IMO) of them who actively make use of the Usenet..
Having one or two people you don't like is an acceptable statistic..

I was always told that it would be sort of boring if everybody you know
thought the same as yourself..
Correct.


Think of all the hollywood blockbusters - most of them deal with the
conflict between good and evil, think how dull movies would be if there
wasn't that conflict.



In other words, regardless of the Usenet/newsgroup, you can't mention
anything mainstream corrective or the least bit contrary to their
preferred and usually public funded media communicated hype, without
getting yourself systematically topic/author stalked and bashed for
all it's worth.

Bashed is in the eye of the beholder.. least here on the usenet, the
only thing people get bashed with is words...

Such words either lead to or restrict the actions of those in
authority.

Give me an example of when / where that happened? Something that took
place here on the Usenet, recently... or historically..

Usenet/newsgroups is published as a global medium, and technically
accessible to most all of those "6,692,030,277 people". Thousands and
perhaps even millions more read than contribute (except our k12 is
banished).


Obviously you don't have any problem with allowing this form of
stealth media censorship, as well as our public funded education tends
to only suck and blow at their end of this story.

What's not to allow on the usenet? It's pretty much an abandoned place
since all of the major ISPs dropped carrying it.

Have it your passive and the usual I-don't-care way.

Hmm.. this discussion is being xposted across a couple groups, and I
might not be seeing all the responses that you're getting.. but from the
few that I have seen (besides my own) - I don't really see any that
couldn't be taken in a "so what?" kind of way..
Then so what, change nothing, complain about nothing and die knowing
your contribution was worth less than the dirt covering your coffin.


So, expect
everything to get much worse, a whole lot more spendy and otherwise
more potentially lethal as these unpoliced rusemasters continue to
distort and block the truth in order to profit at the ongoing trauma
and demise of others.

Eh, I've been expecting the worst for most of my life...

On the other hand, you could help by getting involved and doing
something constructive/positive, instead of just watching as our
mainstream good ship, USS LOLLIPOP, sinks out of sight.

Sounds like too much work to me - better you go ahead and start the
revolution without me..

Martin

That kind of selective obfuscation and transference is exactly what
ZNRs and their army of brown-nosed minions want to see happen.
Perhaps you have chosen well.

Time will tell...

Martin

*~ BG

Time has already told, but "so what".

~ BG

BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 9, 6:23 am, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

On Jan 7, 4:29 pm, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

major snippage

Hired infomercial spewing thugs (E terrorists) in the form of faith-
based and political special interest cabals, plus always Big Energy
and Global Corporate Greed Incorporated (usually offshore and/or
government protected) have their trusty army of brown-nosed clowns,
rusemasters and otherwise mainstream status quo enforcers on
sufficient retainers, and/or as having been brainwashed into acting/
reacting out of fear and otherwise exactly as programmed, is what
these public Usenet/newsgroups are saturated with.

Turning my head and looking right, now looking left.. I really don't see
any of those people here in the group I'm in, I think there are just
about three or four of us left here - keep in mind you've cross-posted
this thread to five groups....

But given that I think I've seen less than a dozen people posting in the
past year or so, "saturated" might be a relative term...

One unpoliced brown-nosed clown is one too many.

There is somewhere around 6,692,030,277 people in the world today, and
about 200+/- or so (IMO) of them who actively make use of the Usenet..
Having one or two people you don't like is an acceptable statistic..

I was always told that it would be sort of boring if everybody you know
thought the same as yourself..

Correct.


Think of all the hollywood blockbusters - most of them deal with the
conflict between good and evil, think how dull movies would be if there
wasn't that conflict.




In other words, regardless of the Usenet/newsgroup, you can't mention
anything mainstream corrective or the least bit contrary to their
preferred and usually public funded media communicated hype, without
getting yourself systematically topic/author stalked and bashed for
all it's worth.

Bashed is in the eye of the beholder.. least here on the usenet, the
only thing people get bashed with is words...

Such words either lead to or restrict the actions of those in
authority.

Give me an example of when / where that happened? Something that took
place here on the Usenet, recently... or historically..


Usenet/newsgroups is published as a global medium, and technically
accessible to most all of those "6,692,030,277 people". Thousands and
perhaps even millions more read than contribute (except our k12 is
banished).

I don't see it - that there are "Thousands and perhaps even millions.."
of people who lurk on the Usenet reading what other people have
posted... That might have beeen the case in the late 90's / early
2000's, but nowadays it's pretty much a ghost town.

Then again, my experiences have mainly been in english speaking groups -
with the occasional ESL person dropping in at times... I've never really
bothered to check out what sort of Usenet groups there might be for say
France or Spain or Italy... maybe you're right and my POV is too narrow
and there are people in other parts of the world who are actively using
the Usenet in their countries..



Obviously you don't have any problem with allowing this form of
stealth media censorship, as well as our public funded education tends
to only suck and blow at their end of this story.

What's not to allow on the usenet? It's pretty much an abandoned place
since all of the major ISPs dropped carrying it.

Have it your passive and the usual I-don't-care way.

Hmm.. this discussion is being xposted across a couple groups, and I
might not be seeing all the responses that you're getting.. but from the
few that I have seen (besides my own) - I don't really see any that
couldn't be taken in a "so what?" kind of way..

Then so what, change nothing, complain about nothing and die knowing
your contribution was worth less than the dirt covering your coffin.

Problem with that statement, is that it's you that is doing the
complaining not me... The impression that I get is you want more people
to complain, but you really haven't given anyone a real reason to do
that...

K~12 internet gets censored - sure, but I see that there are legitimate
reasons for doing that. You don't...


So, expect
everything to get much worse, a whole lot more spendy and otherwise
more potentially lethal as these unpoliced rusemasters continue to
distort and block the truth in order to profit at the ongoing trauma
and demise of others.

Eh, I've been expecting the worst for most of my life...

On the other hand, you could help by getting involved and doing
something constructive/positive, instead of just watching as our
mainstream good ship, USS LOLLIPOP, sinks out of sight.

Sounds like too much work to me - better you go ahead and start the
revolution without me..

Martin

That kind of selective obfuscation and transference is exactly what
ZNRs and their army of brown-nosed minions want to see happen.
Perhaps you have chosen well.

Time will tell...

Martin


~ BG


Time has already told, but "so what".

Then why cry over spilt milk?

Martin


~ BG

On Jan 10, 8:02*am, Rowley wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 9, 6:23 am, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

On Jan 7, 4:29 pm, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

major snippage

Hired infomercial spewing thugs (E terrorists) in the form of faith-
based and political special interest cabals, plus always Big Energy
and Global Corporate Greed Incorporated (usually offshore and/or
government protected) have their trusty army of brown-nosed clowns,
rusemasters and otherwise mainstream status quo enforcers on
sufficient retainers, and/or as having been brainwashed into acting/
reacting out of fear and otherwise exactly as programmed, is what
these public Usenet/newsgroups are saturated with.

Turning my head and looking right, now looking left.. I really don't see
any of those people here in the group I'm in, I think there are just
about three or four of us left here - keep in mind you've cross-posted
this thread to five groups....

But given that I think I've seen less than a dozen people posting in the
past year or so, "saturated" might be a relative term...

One unpoliced brown-nosed clown is one too many.

There is somewhere around 6,692,030,277 people in the world today, and
about 200+/- or so (IMO) of them who actively make use of the Usenet..
Having one or two people you don't like is an acceptable statistic..

I was always told that it would be sort of boring if everybody you know
thought the same as yourself..

Correct.

Think of all the hollywood blockbusters - most of them deal with the
conflict between good and evil, think how dull movies would be if there
wasn't that conflict.

In other words, regardless of the Usenet/newsgroup, you can't mention
anything mainstream corrective or the least bit contrary to their
preferred and usually public funded media communicated hype, without
getting yourself systematically topic/author stalked and bashed for
all it's worth.

Bashed is in the eye of the beholder.. least here on the usenet, the
only thing people get bashed with is words...

Such words either lead to or restrict the actions of those in
authority.

Give me an example of when / where that happened? Something that took
place here on the Usenet, recently... or historically..

Usenet/newsgroups is published as a global medium, and technically
accessible to most all of those "6,692,030,277 people". *Thousands and
perhaps even millions more read than contribute (except our k12 is
banished).

I don't see it - that there are "Thousands and perhaps even millions.."
of people who lurk on the Usenet reading what other people have
posted... That might have beeen the case in the late 90's / early
2000's, but nowadays it's pretty much a ghost town.
Except we have been given no objective way of knowing how many do or
don't read, and to what extent or not they comprehend the context of
whatever these public Usenet/newsgroups have to offer, that are free
to anyone that can find them and extract as much knowledge and wisdom
as they care to take. There's no law saying anyone has to read
anything, much less understand whatever they read.


Then again, my experiences have mainly been in english speaking groups -
with the occasional ESL person dropping in at times... I've never really
bothered to check out what sort of Usenet groups there might be for say
France or Spain or Italy... maybe you're right and my POV is too narrow
and there are people in other parts of the world who are actively using
the Usenet in their countries..
Google even makes other languages readable to those of us without a
second or third language skill, but again there's no law requiring
anyone to utilize such.


Obviously you don't have any problem with allowing this form of
stealth media censorship, as well as our public funded education tends
to only suck and blow at their end of this story.

What's not to allow on the usenet? It's pretty much an abandoned place
since all of the major ISPs dropped carrying it.

Have it your passive and the usual I-don't-care way.

Hmm.. this discussion is being xposted across a couple groups, and I
might not be seeing all the responses that you're getting.. but from the
few that I have seen (besides my own) - I don't really see any that
couldn't be taken in a "so what?" kind of way..

Then so what, change nothing, complain about nothing and die knowing
your contribution was worth less than the dirt covering your coffin.

Problem with that statement, is that it's you that is doing the
complaining not me... The impression that I get is you want more people
to complain, but you really haven't given anyone a real reason to do
that...
I simply want more people to get involved and/or to contribute,
whereas obviously that excludes those like yourself that obviously
like the past, present and future exactly as ****ty as it is.


K~12 internet gets censored - sure, but I see that there are legitimate
reasons for doing that. You don't...
Not the way its being done, although Hitler, Stalin, Zionists and the
Pope would agree with you and not me.


So, expect
everything to get much worse, a whole lot more spendy and otherwise
more potentially lethal as these unpoliced rusemasters continue to
distort and block the truth in order to profit at the ongoing trauma
and demise of others.

Eh, I've been expecting the worst for most of my life...

On the other hand, you could help by getting involved and doing
something constructive/positive, instead of just watching as our
mainstream good ship, USS LOLLIPOP, sinks out of sight.

Sounds like too much work to me - better you go ahead and start the
revolution without me..

Martin

That kind of selective obfuscation and transference is exactly what
ZNRs and their army of brown-nosed minions want to see happen.
Perhaps you have chosen well.

Time will tell...

Martin

~ BG

Time has already told, but "so what".

Then why cry over spilt milk?

Martin

The milk of life and freedom from religious, government and corporate
greed and systematic ethnic/caste oppression has been and continues to
be spilled, mostly because of folks exactly like yourself that really
do not care.

~ BG

BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:02 am, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

On Jan 9, 6:23 am, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

On Jan 7, 4:29 pm, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

major snippage

Hired infomercial spewing thugs (E terrorists) in the form of faith-
based and political special interest cabals, plus always Big Energy
and Global Corporate Greed Incorporated (usually offshore and/or
government protected) have their trusty army of brown-nosed clowns,
rusemasters and otherwise mainstream status quo enforcers on
sufficient retainers, and/or as having been brainwashed into acting/
reacting out of fear and otherwise exactly as programmed, is what
these public Usenet/newsgroups are saturated with.

Turning my head and looking right, now looking left.. I really don't see
any of those people here in the group I'm in, I think there are just
about three or four of us left here - keep in mind you've cross-posted
this thread to five groups....

But given that I think I've seen less than a dozen people posting in the
past year or so, "saturated" might be a relative term...

One unpoliced brown-nosed clown is one too many.

There is somewhere around 6,692,030,277 people in the world today, and
about 200+/- or so (IMO) of them who actively make use of the Usenet..
Having one or two people you don't like is an acceptable statistic..

I was always told that it would be sort of boring if everybody you know
thought the same as yourself..

Correct.

Think of all the hollywood blockbusters - most of them deal with the
conflict between good and evil, think how dull movies would be if there
wasn't that conflict.

In other words, regardless of the Usenet/newsgroup, you can't mention
anything mainstream corrective or the least bit contrary to their
preferred and usually public funded media communicated hype, without
getting yourself systematically topic/author stalked and bashed for
all it's worth.

Bashed is in the eye of the beholder.. least here on the usenet, the
only thing people get bashed with is words...

Such words either lead to or restrict the actions of those in
authority.

Give me an example of when / where that happened? Something that took
place here on the Usenet, recently... or historically..

Usenet/newsgroups is published as a global medium, and technically
accessible to most all of those "6,692,030,277 people". Thousands and
perhaps even millions more read than contribute (except our k12 is
banished).

I don't see it - that there are "Thousands and perhaps even millions.."
of people who lurk on the Usenet reading what other people have
posted... That might have beeen the case in the late 90's / early
2000's, but nowadays it's pretty much a ghost town.

Except we have been given no objective way of knowing how many do or
don't read, and to what extent or not they comprehend the context of
whatever these public Usenet/newsgroups have to offer, that are free
to anyone that can find them and extract as much knowledge and wisdom
as they care to take. There's no law saying anyone has to read
anything, much less understand whatever they read.

Good to know that I'm not breaking any laws right at this moment...


Then again, my experiences have mainly been in english speaking groups -
with the occasional ESL person dropping in at times... I've never really
bothered to check out what sort of Usenet groups there might be for say
France or Spain or Italy... maybe you're right and my POV is too narrow
and there are people in other parts of the world who are actively using
the Usenet in their countries..

Google even makes other languages readable to those of us without a
second or third language skill, but again there's no law requiring
anyone to utilize such.

Are you assuming that most people use Google to access the Usenet?

Obviously you don't have any problem with allowing this form of
stealth media censorship, as well as our public funded education tends
to only suck and blow at their end of this story.

What's not to allow on the usenet? It's pretty much an abandoned place
since all of the major ISPs dropped carrying it.

Have it your passive and the usual I-don't-care way.

Hmm.. this discussion is being xposted across a couple groups, and I
might not be seeing all the responses that you're getting.. but from the
few that I have seen (besides my own) - I don't really see any that
couldn't be taken in a "so what?" kind of way..

Then so what, change nothing, complain about nothing and die knowing
your contribution was worth less than the dirt covering your coffin.

Problem with that statement, is that it's you that is doing the
complaining not me... The impression that I get is you want more people
to complain, but you really haven't given anyone a real reason to do
that...

I simply want more people to get involved and/or to contribute,
whereas obviously that excludes those like yourself that obviously
like the past, present and future exactly as ****ty as it is.

Well.. I will say this about your efforts, you are very dedicated in
your quest. You have certainly spending a lot to time and effort in just
talking about this to me. And I'm just one person.

K~12 internet gets censored - sure, but I see that there are legitimate
reasons for doing that. You don't...

Not the way its being done, although Hitler, Stalin, Zionists and the
Pope would agree with you and not me.

So you're ok with censorship if it's done in some method that you
approve of?

So, expect
everything to get much worse, a whole lot more spendy and otherwise
more potentially lethal as these unpoliced rusemasters continue to
distort and block the truth in order to profit at the ongoing trauma
and demise of others.

Eh, I've been expecting the worst for most of my life...

On the other hand, you could help by getting involved and doing
something constructive/positive, instead of just watching as our
mainstream good ship, USS LOLLIPOP, sinks out of sight.

Sounds like too much work to me - better you go ahead and start the
revolution without me..

Martin

That kind of selective obfuscation and transference is exactly what
ZNRs and their army of brown-nosed minions want to see happen.
Perhaps you have chosen well.

Time will tell...

Martin

~ BG

Time has already told, but "so what".

Then why cry over spilt milk?

Martin


The milk of life and freedom from religious, government and corporate
greed and systematic ethnic/caste oppression has been and continues to
be spilled, mostly because of folks exactly like yourself that really
do not care.

So some people are apathetic - what would you say the majority of
population is? apathetic or not? What about all those silent people who
read the Usenet, but do not participate? What is their story?

Martin


~ BG

On Jan 10, 4:51*pm, Rowley wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:02 am, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

On Jan 9, 6:23 am, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

On Jan 7, 4:29 pm, Rowley wrote:

BradGuth wrote:

major snippage

Hired infomercial spewing thugs (E terrorists) in the form of faith-
based and political special interest cabals, plus always Big Energy
and Global Corporate Greed Incorporated (usually offshore and/or
government protected) have their trusty army of brown-nosed clowns,
rusemasters and otherwise mainstream status quo enforcers on
sufficient retainers, and/or as having been brainwashed into acting/
reacting out of fear and otherwise exactly as programmed, is what
these public Usenet/newsgroups are saturated with.

Turning my head and looking right, now looking left.. I really don't see
any of those people here in the group I'm in, I think there are just
about three or four of us left here - keep in mind you've cross-posted
this thread to five groups....

But given that I think I've seen less than a dozen people posting in the
past year or so, "saturated" might be a relative term...

One unpoliced brown-nosed clown is one too many.

There is somewhere around 6,692,030,277 people in the world today, and
about 200+/- or so (IMO) of them who actively make use of the Usenet...
Having one or two people you don't like is an acceptable statistic..

I was always told that it would be sort of boring if everybody you know
thought the same as yourself..

Correct.

Think of all the hollywood blockbusters - most of them deal with the
conflict between good and evil, think how dull movies would be if there
wasn't that conflict.

In other words, regardless of the Usenet/newsgroup, you can't mention
anything mainstream corrective or the least bit contrary to their
preferred and usually public funded media communicated hype, without
getting yourself systematically topic/author stalked and bashed for
all it's worth.

Bashed is in the eye of the beholder.. least here on the usenet, the
only thing people get bashed with is words...

Such words either lead to or restrict the actions of those in
authority.

Give me an example of when / where that happened? Something that took
place here on the Usenet, recently... or historically..

Usenet/newsgroups is published as a global medium, and technically
accessible to most all of those "6,692,030,277 people". *Thousands and
perhaps even millions more read than contribute (except our k12 is
banished).

I don't see it - that there are "Thousands and perhaps even millions.."
of people who lurk on the Usenet reading what other people have
posted... That might have beeen the case in the late 90's / early
2000's, but nowadays it's pretty much a ghost town.

Except we have been given no objective way of knowing how many do or
don't read, and to what extent or not they comprehend the context of
whatever these public Usenet/newsgroups have to offer, that are free
to anyone that can find them and extract as much knowledge and wisdom
as they care to take. *There's no law saying anyone has to read
anything, much less understand whatever they read.

Good to know that I'm not breaking any laws right at this moment...


Then again, my experiences have mainly been in english speaking groups -
with the occasional ESL person dropping in at times... I've never really
bothered to check out what sort of Usenet groups there might be for say
France or Spain or Italy... maybe you're right and my POV is too narrow
and there are people in other parts of the world who are actively using
the Usenet in their countries..

Google even makes other languages readable to those of us without a
second or third language skill, but again there's no law requiring
anyone to utilize such.

Are you assuming that most people use Google to access the Usenet?
Of the most recent internet savvy generation, I'd favor that the
majority have been using the Google Groups version of Usenet/
newsgroups. It's like TWITTER on steroids, except without the context
limitations or all the usual bandwidth sucking graphics, as well as
other languages can be accommodated on the fly, so to speak.


Obviously you don't have any problem with allowing this form of
stealth media censorship, as well as our public funded education tends
to only suck and blow at their end of this story.

What's not to allow on the usenet? It's pretty much an abandoned place
since all of the major ISPs dropped carrying it.

Have it your passive and the usual I-don't-care way.

Hmm.. this discussion is being xposted across a couple groups, and I
might not be seeing all the responses that you're getting.. but from the
few that I have seen (besides my own) - I don't really see any that
couldn't be taken in a "so what?" kind of way..

Then so what, change nothing, complain about nothing and die knowing
your contribution was worth less than the dirt covering your coffin.

Problem with that statement, is that it's you that is doing the
complaining not me... The impression that I get is you want more people
to complain, but you really haven't given anyone a real reason to do
that...

I simply want more people to get involved and/or to contribute,
whereas obviously that excludes those like yourself that obviously
like the past, present and future exactly as ****ty as it is.

Well.. I will say this about your efforts, you are very dedicated in
your quest. You have certainly spending a lot to time and effort in just
talking about this to me. And I'm just one person.

For every one person that contributes is a good enough indication that
perhaps at least another thousand are reading whatever we have to say
to one another. It's called an audience of unlimited capacity.


K~12 internet gets censored - sure, but I see that there are legitimate
reasons for doing that. You don't...

Not the way its being done, although Hitler, Stalin, Zionists and the
Pope would agree with you and not me.

So you're ok with censorship if it's done in some method that you
approve of?

Of course, because I'm not the insensitive bigot or faith-based goon
like the other 99.9% apparently are.


So, expect
everything to get much worse, a whole lot more spendy and otherwise
more potentially lethal as these unpoliced rusemasters continue to
distort and block the truth in order to profit at the ongoing trauma
and demise of others.

Eh, I've been expecting the worst for most of my life...

On the other hand, you could help by getting involved and doing
something constructive/positive, instead of just watching as our
mainstream good ship, USS LOLLIPOP, sinks out of sight.

Sounds like too much work to me - better you go ahead and start the
revolution without me..

Martin

That kind of selective obfuscation and transference is exactly what
ZNRs and their army of brown-nosed minions want to see happen.
Perhaps you have chosen well.

Time will tell...

Martin

~ BG

Time has already told, but "so what".

Then why cry over spilt milk?

Martin

The milk of life and freedom from religious, government and corporate
greed and systematic ethnic/caste oppression has been and continues to
be spilled, mostly because of folks exactly like yourself that really
do not care.

So some people are apathetic - what would you say the majority of
population is? apathetic or not? What about all those silent people who
read the Usenet, but do not participate? What is their story?

Martin

The vast majority of public (I'm speaking global) are frankly scared
to death of learning the whole truth and nothing but the truth, unless
it's pretty much exactly the same as they already believe it to be.

Of those which only read and never contribute, at least we can provide
our independent interpretations and otherwise entertainment of some
value that's outside the usual cozy mainstream status quo box that
most hide themselves within.

However, fear begets fear, whereas learning truths as based upon
interpreting from the best available evidence could be a little too
traumatizing for those already deathly afraid of their own shadow.

~ BG

An example of what K12s are missing by not having Google Groups /
(Google/NOVA) version of Usenet/newsgroups within their grasp.

On Jan 31, 10:47 am, jughead wrote:
Addendum:

Carson wrote..

The pseudoscientist, on the other hand, begins with what they believe
is an absolute fact. Rather than trying to confirm, they instead
reinterpret existing information to fit their fact. This often leads
to more and more layers of additional assumed facts to prop up the
initial presumed idea, unable or refusing to acknowledge that perhaps
the initial idea is wrong.
Do you see the difference here?

: Let's take an example of just such a scenario. Start out with the
pre-
: held axiom: "There is no spatial medium. Space is a universally-
: isotropic 'void', invariant from the instant of emergence from the
Big
: Bang." What is this axiom going to require in terms of belief?
:
: Well, it will require 'messenger particles', "photons" lifted
entirely
: out of original context as in the PE effect, and they have to
somehow
: 'know' to fly at exactly c at all times, and they have to be
available
: in unlimited quantities on demand to carry the total EM output of a
: quasar for example. Concerning gravity, gravity can only be
explained
: by citing *descriptions of its effects*, or yet-to-be-discovered
: 'gravitons', or as a 'fictitious force'. Yet there is no explanation
: of how *descriptions of effects* or imaginary 'exchange particles'
or
: fictitious forces actually power the gravity which powers
supernovae,
: hypernovae and quasars. The excessive lensing of far-distant
galaxies
: calls for invention of "dark matter" to explain the excessive
lensing
: (as well as the non-Keplerian rotation of spiral galaxies). The
: perceived "ever-accelerating expansion" of the universe requires
: invention of "dark energy" to drive the perceived expansion. In
short,
: the 'No medium' belief requires "adding epicycles", kludge upon
kludge
: using perfectly good Math, to keep the belief propped up. As such,
the
: 'No medium' belief is no different in its functional dynamic than
: geocentrism. Pseudoscience at its best.

Very nicely put. Too bad that's not what our K12s and college
students are being systematically brainwashed with.

~ BG