Affordable local missions that’ll return investment

On Jan 1, 11:14*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:



Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

This topic is about accomplishing the two closest of off-world
destinations, as being technically manageable for a sufficiently
advance ET, such as us. *Each of these destinations have complex
issues but otherwise potential of paying their own way, with some
added risk to surviving the to/from aspects if there’s no between
depot or gateway established.

Decades ago, Arthur C Clarke gave us his Clarke Station, as situated
within the interactive Earth-Moon L1 halo orbit, although somewhat
technically based upon our unusually passive Apollo missions, it still
represents a viable concept that only requires beefing up in the area
of shielding, plus incorporating an artificial shade or if need be
deep umbrella of thermal blocking PV panels. *Oddly, in America the
notions of any Selene L1 Clarke Station has been suppressed if not
entirely banished, as though it represented some kind of devilish
witchcraft of no worldly merit.http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/academ...01.Clarke.HEDS...

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications...aryland01b.pdf

If you learned anything from either of these papers, you can tell
there has been some consideration given to many special features and
the underlying logic of having this extremely nearby platform as our
next space science habitat, or even performing as a Boeing OASIS
that’s primarily a fuel storage and robotic refueling platform, as
well as nicely performing our gateway for efficiently going off
towards other planets and moons (including Selene).

*http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/design...SISEXEC_97.pdf

*http://chapters.nss.org/hub/pdf%20pr...s/LIphases.pdf

*http://sci.tech-archive.net/pdf/Arch...y/2008-04/msg0....

It seems anything of He3 DT fusion and of extracting this fusion
worthy helium from our moon is wherever possible getting removed from
the internet:
*http://www.nuenergy.org/video/helium3.rm(animation banished/
excluded)

*http://www.moonminer.com/THE_VISION.html

There’s actually loads of physics and science based art and animations
that should eye-candy impress most anyone with a functioning brain.
Of course getting such surface or underground infrastructure
established along with transporting robotics or especially humans
safely to/from the lunar surface is still in R&D mode, although I have
respect for what China and India may soon accomplish. *Too bad we’re
on such a nondisclosure or need-to-know basis with our own public
funded science, as though ETs are in charge of most everything.

My tethered lunar space elevator (LSE-CM/ISS) and of its depot/gateway
space habitat of 256e6 tonnes plus energy storage and dipole element,
as situated at roughly 84% of the way to our Selene/moon has quite a
bit more to offer, although I haven’t created the necessary eye-candy
of a Boeing OASIS or NASA public funded pdf or spendy NASA Goddard
Scientific Visualization Studio animation file for presenting it’s
robust and otherwise substantial contributions in colorful 3D
animation or LeapFrog format, so instead you’ll have to use your
imagination as assisted by way of my somewhat dyslexic encrypted
words. *The asking of others to contribute their best expertise and
supposed talent hasn’t yielded any positive or much less constructive
results, other than the usual topic/author stalking and basing from
most every possible angle, so don’t expect to see mainstream
collaboration any time soon from this Usenet cabal of spite and venom.

Those few of us able to independently think outside the mainstream box
are going to have to essentially do everything ourselves, as our
public funded talent and expertise is simply taboo/nondisclosure rated
and thus off-limits, or at best it’s only accessible via exploratory
discovery and need-to-know. *I’m sure our replacement Commander and
Chief Warlord (BHO) is going to feel some of the very same testy
warmth and brown-nosed affection when he tries to understand what has
gone so terribly wrong with public funded agencies like our DARPA and
NASA. *Fortunately, his new and presidential signature improved
Patriot Act gives him God like powers to kick serious butt, as almost
anything can be interpreted as domestic terrorism.

*~ BG

5th graders and on up, by now should know, that via “NASA Tech
Briefs” there’s all sorts of mostly public funded and/or otherwise
public facility and technological infrastructure accommodated science
plus actual R&D that’s getting published from a vast archive of
accomplishments, though often years old and seldom if ever given any
other from of public awareness, much less communicated in a proper
disclosure way that most village idiots could better understand and
appreciate the implications.

This official www.techbriefs.com is not a secret or even all that
hocus-pocus. However, seldom if ever do these Usenet clowns as brown-
nosed insider spooks and moles make any effort to share and share
alike, much less in any kind of constructive/positive way unless it
100% reinforces only their mainstream status quo.

It seems as though public funded science plus whatever their R&D
should be openly shared and touted as is, without all the usual delay
and taboo/nondisclosure policy of excluding evidence plus need-to-know
getting in the way, and otherwise incorporated within as many possible
applications that could use some technological help and thus improve
upon the future consideration for the sorts of nearby and affordable
missions that’ll best generate a return on investment.

Of course none of this constructive gabber makes any good sense to
those in charge and thereby responsible for keeping lids on tight,
because spilling even so much as one bean is simply too risky.
Apparently, the less the public knows, the better.

Our Selene/moon L1 is just a typical example of what such a space
depot/gateway or OASIS can become worth ten fold their investment.
Same argument goes for the Venus L2 depot/gateway and/or OASIS
functionality. However, to hear the naysayers and evidence excluding
deniers cry fowl and forever bitch as though the end of life as we
know it is near, seems par for the course of those without a brain or
any speck of remorse for their past, present or future actions.

This isn't my suggesting that break-even or unprofitable explorations
should be entirely excluded. I'm just suggesting that we should take
as much advantage of whatever we know works, and apply such to the
most likely explorations and expeditions that stand the best chance at
returning a profit or direct benefit of some worth.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now that we have almost nothing of our Apollo era R&D to go by, and
yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA pretty much have to stick within
the boundaries set by their own Apollo legacy, which means our DARPA
and NASA has to live within the technological specs of whatever had
supposedly worked 100% exactly according to plan as of 4 decades ago.
Unfortunately, those spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection
and of whatever raw talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be
found, and all of subsequent science as to the lunar surface
environment hasn’t been getting reported as being anything like what
existed as of the Apollo era.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty tires, all of
which need to be so entirely capable as is. Even their mission
simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some risk of
historical revision in the form of legitimate doubts as to what had
previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also being saturated in that
sparse atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose dusty surface offering the likes of radon gas form local
radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or electron cloud similar
to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve into a working group of talent, expertise and
proven techmology, rather than a highly spiteful collection of Mafia
cabals always trying to stab one another in the back. The usual
external or freelance infowar tactics of topic/author stalking and
systematic bashing by those having a deeply invested interest in
sustaining their mainstream status quo, are of course devoutly
committed without remorse or considerations towards whatever
consequences of their actions. So, perhaps not even BHO can be
successful unless trusted by those currently in charge and willing to
pay the ultimate price for keeping things just as they are.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jan 1, 10:17*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 1, 11:14*am, BradGuth wrote:



On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:

Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

This topic is about accomplishing the two closest of off-world
destinations, as being technically manageable for a sufficiently
advance ET, such as us. *Each of these destinations have complex
issues but otherwise potential of paying their own way, with some
added risk to surviving the to/from aspects if there’s no between
depot or gateway established.

Decades ago, Arthur C Clarke gave us his Clarke Station, as situated
within the interactive Earth-Moon L1 halo orbit, although somewhat
technically based upon our unusually passive Apollo missions, it still
represents a viable concept that only requires beefing up in the area
of shielding, plus incorporating an artificial shade or if need be
deep umbrella of thermal blocking PV panels. *Oddly, in America the
notions of any Selene L1 Clarke Station has been suppressed if not
entirely banished, as though it represented some kind of devilish
witchcraft of no worldly merit.http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/academ...01.Clarke.HEDS...

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications...aryland01b.pdf

If you learned anything from either of these papers, you can tell
there has been some consideration given to many special features and
the underlying logic of having this extremely nearby platform as our
next space science habitat, or even performing as a Boeing OASIS
that’s primarily a fuel storage and robotic refueling platform, as
well as nicely performing our gateway for efficiently going off
towards other planets and moons (including Selene).

*http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/design...SISEXEC_97.pdf

*http://chapters.nss.org/hub/pdf%20pr...s/LIphases.pdf

*http://sci.tech-archive.net/pdf/Arch...y/2008-04/msg0...

It seems anything of He3 DT fusion and of extracting this fusion
worthy helium from our moon is wherever possible getting removed from
the internet:
*http://www.nuenergy.org/video/helium...ationbanished/
excluded)

*http://www.moonminer.com/THE_VISION.html

There’s actually loads of physics and science based art and animations
that should eye-candy impress most anyone with a functioning brain.
Of course getting such surface or underground infrastructure
established along with transporting robotics or especially humans
safely to/from the lunar surface is still in R&D mode, although I have
respect for what China and India may soon accomplish. *Too bad we’re
on such a nondisclosure or need-to-know basis with our own public
funded science, as though ETs are in charge of most everything.

My tethered lunar space elevator (LSE-CM/ISS) and of its depot/gateway
space habitat of 256e6 tonnes plus energy storage and dipole element,
as situated at roughly 84% of the way to our Selene/moon has quite a
bit more to offer, although I haven’t created the necessary eye-candy
of a Boeing OASIS or NASA public funded pdf or spendy NASA Goddard
Scientific Visualization Studio animation file for presenting it’s
robust and otherwise substantial contributions in colorful 3D
animation or LeapFrog format, so instead you’ll have to use your
imagination as assisted by way of my somewhat dyslexic encrypted
words. *The asking of others to contribute their best expertise and
supposed talent hasn’t yielded any positive or much less constructive
results, other than the usual topic/author stalking and basing from
most every possible angle, so don’t expect to see mainstream
collaboration any time soon from this Usenet cabal of spite and venom.

Those few of us able to independently think outside the mainstream box
are going to have to essentially do everything ourselves, as our
public funded talent and expertise is simply taboo/nondisclosure rated
and thus off-limits, or at best it’s only accessible via exploratory
discovery and need-to-know. *I’m sure our replacement Commander and
Chief Warlord (BHO) is going to feel some of the very same testy
warmth and brown-nosed affection when he tries to understand what has
gone so terribly wrong with public funded agencies like our DARPA and
NASA. *Fortunately, his new and presidential signature improved
Patriot Act gives him God like powers to kick serious butt, as almost
anything can be interpreted as domestic terrorism.

*~ BG

5th graders and on up, by now should know, that via “NASA Tech
Briefs” there’s all sorts of mostly public funded and/or otherwise
public facility and technological infrastructure accommodated science
plus actual R&D that’s getting published from a vast archive of
accomplishments, though often years old and seldom if ever given any
other from of public awareness, much less communicated in a proper
disclosure way that most village idiots could better understand and
appreciate the implications.

This official *www.techbriefs.com*is not a secret or even all that
hocus-pocus. *However, seldom if ever do these Usenet clowns as brown-
nosed insider spooks and moles make any effort to share and share
alike, much less in any kind of constructive/positive way unless it
100% reinforces only their mainstream status quo.

It seems as though public funded science plus whatever their R&D
should be openly shared and touted as is, without all the usual delay
and taboo/nondisclosure policy of excluding evidence plus need-to-know
getting in the way, and otherwise incorporated within as many possible
applications that could use some technological help and thus improve
upon the future consideration for the sorts of nearby and affordable
missions that’ll best generate a return on investment.

Of course none of this constructive gabber makes any good sense to
those in charge and thereby responsible for keeping lids on tight,
because spilling even so much as one bean is simply too risky.
Apparently, the less the public knows, the better.

Our Selene/moon L1 is just a typical example of what such a space
depot/gateway or OASIS can become worth ten fold their investment.
Same argument goes for the Venus L2 depot/gateway and/or OASIS
functionality. *However, to hear the naysayers and evidence excluding
deniers cry fowl and forever bitch as though the end of life as we
know it is near, seems par for the course of those without a brain or
any speck of remorse for their past, present or future actions.

This isn't my suggesting that break-even or unprofitable explorations
should be entirely excluded. I'm just suggesting that we should take
as much advantage of whatever we know works, and apply such to the
most likely explorations and expeditions that stand the best chance at
returning a profit or direct benefit of some worth.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much have to stick within the boundaries set by their own
Apollo legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. Unfortunately, those spendy
engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw talent and
expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of subsequent science
as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been getting reported as
being anything like what existed as of the Apollo era.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty tires, all of
which need to be so entirely capable as is. Even their mission
simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some risk of
historical revision in the form of legitimate doubts as to what had
previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also being saturated in that
sparse atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose dusty surface offering the likes of radon gas form local
radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or electron cloud similar
to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve into a working group of talent, expertise and
proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful collection of Mafia
cabals always trying to stab one another in the back. The usual
external or freelance infowar tactics of topic/author stalking and
systematic bashing by those having a deeply invested interest in
sustaining their mainstream status quo, are of course devoutly
committed without remorse or considerations towards whatever
consequences of their actions. So, perhaps not even BHO can be
successful unless trusted by those currently in charge and willing to
pay the ultimate price for keeping things just as they are.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much have to stick within the boundaries set by their own
Apollo legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. Unfortunately, those spendy
engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw talent and
expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of subsequent science
as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been getting reported as
being anything like what existed as of the Apollo era.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of legitimate doubts as to
what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also being saturated in that
sparse but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or
within that loose dusty surface offering the likes of radon gas form
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or electron cloud similar
to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee swarm of freelance infowar tactics for
topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a deeply
invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo, are of
course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. So,
perhaps not even BHO can be successful unless trusted by those
currently in charge and willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping
things just as they are.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~BradGuthBrad_GuthBrad.GuthBradGuth BG / “GuthUsenet”


Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much has to stick within the boundaries set by their own Apollo
legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. Unfortunately, those rather
spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw
talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of
subsequent science as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been
getting reported as being anything like what existed as of the Apollo
era. In fact, the solar UV and secondary recoil photons are so bad
that the ISRO TC(terrain camera) is entirely excluding everything
below 400 nm.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of casting legitimate doubts
as to what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also saturated in that sparse
but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose crystal dry soil is offering the likes of radon gas from
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or the artificial
electron cloud similar to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee like swarm of freelance infowar tactics
for topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a
deeply invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo,
are of course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. So,
perhaps not even BHO as our new Chief Commander can be successful at
consolidating agencies unless trusted by those currently in charge and
willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping things of the past,
present and future just as they are.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jan 4, 6:10*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:



Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively coolVenus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of theVenussurface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “GuthUsenet”

Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much has to stick within the boundaries set by their own Apollo
legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. *Unfortunately, those rather
spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw
talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of
subsequent science as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been
getting reported as being anything like what existed as of the Apollo
era. *In fact, the solar UV and secondary recoil photons are so bad
that the ISRO TC(terrain camera) is entirely excluding everything
below 400 nm.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. *Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of casting legitimate doubts
as to what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also saturated in that sparse
but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose crystal dry soil is offering the likes of radon gas from
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). *However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or the artificial
electron cloud similar to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee like swarm of freelance infowar tactics
for topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a
deeply invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo,
are of course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. *So,
perhaps not even BHO as our new Chief Commander can be successful at
consolidating agencies unless trusted by those currently in charge and
willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping things of the past,
present and future just as they are.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “GuthUsenet”

I have lots to share and share alike about our Selene/moon and the
planet Venus (more questions than answers). So, besides the best
available truths, what are you silly folks so deathly afraid of?

~ BG

On Jan 6, 3:52*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 4, 6:10*am, BradGuth wrote:



On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:

Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively coolVenus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of theVenussurface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much has to stick within the boundaries set by their own Apollo
legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. *Unfortunately, those rather
spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw
talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of
subsequent science as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been
getting reported as being anything like what existed as of the Apollo
era. *In fact, the solar UV and secondary recoil photons are so bad
that the ISRO TC(terrain camera) is entirely excluding everything
below 400 nm.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. *Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of casting legitimate doubts
as to what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also saturated in that sparse
but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose crystal dry soil is offering the likes of radon gas from
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). *However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or the artificial
electron cloud similar to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee like swarm of freelance infowar tactics
for topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a
deeply invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo,
are of course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. *So,
perhaps not even BHO as our new Chief Commander can be successful at
consolidating agencies unless trusted by those currently in charge and
willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping things of the past,
present and future just as they are.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

I have lots to share and share alike about our Selene/moon and the
planet Venus (more questions than answers). *So, besides the best
available truths, what are you silly folks so deathly afraid of?

*~ BG

Wow! would you 5th graders look at all the Google Groups (Usenet)
postings or replies going into such a busy gauntlet of silly, bogus,
off-topic or just loads of disinformation and infomercials, as though
the entire mainstream status quo fleet of clown cars just arrived and
there's all these brown-nosed clowns running amock.

I wonder if BHO and his team of devout minions has any idea as to how
many Usenet/newsgroup clown cars loaded with his own verity of brown-
nosed clowns it's going to take, just to counteract the republican
Mafia gauntlet of clowns.

~ BG

On Jan 6, 10:42*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 6, 3:52*am, BradGuth wrote:



On Jan 4, 6:10*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:

Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively coolVenus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of theVenussurface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much has to stick within the boundaries set by their own Apollo
legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. *Unfortunately, those rather
spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw
talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of
subsequent science as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been
getting reported as being anything like what existed as of the Apollo
era. *In fact, the solar UV and secondary recoil photons are so bad
that the ISRO TC(terrain camera) is entirely excluding everything
below 400 nm.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. *Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of casting legitimate doubts
as to what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also saturated in that sparse
but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose crystal dry soil is offering the likes of radon gas from
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). *However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or the artificial
electron cloud similar to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee like swarm of freelance infowar tactics
for topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a
deeply invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo,
are of course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. *So,
perhaps not even BHO as our new Chief Commander can be successful at
consolidating agencies unless trusted by those currently in charge and
willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping things of the past,
present and future just as they are.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

I have lots to share and share alike about our Selene/moon and the
planet Venus (more questions than answers). *So, besides the best
available truths, what are you silly folks so deathly afraid of?

*~ BG

Wow! *would you 5th graders look at all the Google Groups (Usenet)
postings or replies going into such a busy gauntlet of silly, bogus,
off-topic or just loads of disinformation and infomercials, as though
the entire mainstream status quo fleet of clown cars just arrived and
there's all these brown-nosed clowns running amock.

I wonder if BHO and his team of devout minions has any idea as to how
many Usenet/newsgroup clown cars loaded with his own verity of brown-
nosed clowns it's going to take, just to counteract the republican
Mafia gauntlet of clowns.

* ~ BG

I forgot to mention all the silly topic renamings and their totally
off-topic contributions as infowar tactics, making it next to
impossible for media outsiders or much less newsgroup newcomers to
figure much of anything out. It's like walking into a huge
multifaceted food-fight, and you're not even the least bit hungry.

~ BG

On Jan 6, 11:16*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 6, 10:42*am, BradGuth wrote:



On Jan 6, 3:52*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Jan 4, 6:10*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:

Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively coolVenus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of theVenussurface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much has to stick within the boundaries set by their own Apollo
legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. *Unfortunately, those rather
spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw
talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of
subsequent science as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been
getting reported as being anything like what existed as of the Apollo
era. *In fact, the solar UV and secondary recoil photons are so bad
that the ISRO TC(terrain camera) is entirely excluding everything
below 400 nm.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. *Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of casting legitimate doubts
as to what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also saturated in that sparse
but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose crystal dry soil is offering the likes of radon gas from
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). *However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or the artificial
electron cloud similar to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee like swarm of freelance infowar tactics
for topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a
deeply invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo,
are of course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. *So,
perhaps not even BHO as our new Chief Commander can be successful at
consolidating agencies unless trusted by those currently in charge and
willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping things of the past,
present and future just as they are.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

I have lots to share and share alike about our Selene/moon and the
planet Venus (more questions than answers). *So, besides the best
available truths, what are you silly folks so deathly afraid of?

*~ BG

Wow! *would you 5th graders look at all the Google Groups (Usenet)
postings or replies going into such a busy gauntlet of silly, bogus,
off-topic or just loads of disinformation and infomercials, as though
the entire mainstream status quo fleet of clown cars just arrived and
there's all these brown-nosed clowns running amock.

I wonder if BHO and his team of devout minions has any idea as to how
many Usenet/newsgroup clown cars loaded with his own verity of brown-
nosed clowns it's going to take, just to counteract the republican
Mafia gauntlet of clowns.

* ~ BG

I forgot to mention all the silly topic renamings and their totally
off-topic contributions as infowar tactics, making it next to
impossible for media outsiders or much less newsgroup newcomers to
figure much of anything out. *It's like walking into a huge
multifaceted food-fight, and you're not even the least bit hungry.

*~ BG

Amazing, to see such silly and/or bogus topics flooding into and
saturating Usenet/newsgroups. If Hitler were alive, he'd certainly be
a happy camper, just like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) and Dick
Cheney are very happy campers as they give away billions of our hard
earned loot and allow their corrupt SEC to look the other way whenever
their close friend Madoff shows up.

~ BG

On Jan 4, 6:10*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:



Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~BradGuthBrad_GuthBrad.GuthBradGuth BG / “GuthUsenet”

Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much has to stick within the boundaries set by their own Apollo
legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. *Unfortunately, those rather
spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw
talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of
subsequent science as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been
getting reported as being anything like what existed as of the Apollo
era. *In fact, the solar UV and secondary recoil photons are so bad
that the ISRO TC(terrain camera) is entirely excluding everything
below 400 nm.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. *Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of casting legitimate doubts
as to what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also saturated in that sparse
but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose crystal dry soil is offering the likes of radon gas from
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). *However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or the artificial
electron cloud similar to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee like swarm of freelance infowar tactics
for topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a
deeply invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo,
are of course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. *So,
perhaps not even BHO as our new Chief Commander can be successful at
consolidating agencies unless trusted by those currently in charge and
willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping things of the past,
present and future just as they are.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Attention all 5th graders; Apparently our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon and the geothermally made hot planet of Venus are taboo,
as in need-to-know or off-limits and/or nondisclosure rated.

Just look at all the Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroup) clown soup
of silly and bogus topics getting piled on top of everything else.
It's a bloody wonder anyone can breath with so many brown-nosed clowns
piled on top, and having a wild food fight at that.

~ BG