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Old June 12th 07, 07:14 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
Eric Gisse
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On Jun 11, 10:10 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
[snip crap]

Your views of relativity are no more valid than your views on
thermodynamics.

http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm


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Old June 12th 07, 07:30 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
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Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jun 11, 10:10 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
[snip crap]

Your views of relativity are no more valid than your views on
thermodynamics.

http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm


Of course. But in this particular case we discuss Einstein's, not my,
strong desire to replace continuum with discontinuum, that is, the
field model with the particle model:

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...09145525ca.pdf
Einstein: "The problem seems to me [to be] how one can formulate
statements about a discontinuum without calling upon a continuum
(space-time) as an aid; the latter should be banned from the theory as
a supplementary construction not justified by the essence of the
problem, which corresponds to nothing "real"."

Pentcho Valev

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Old June 12th 07, 11:04 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
Jeckyl
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"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jeckyl wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
ups.com...

Jeckyl wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
ups.com...
Jeckyl wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
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http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/aug252003/518.pdf
"In the second essay in this part entitled 'The other Einstein:
Einstein contra field theory', Stachel portrays Einstein, the
author
of the space-time continuum field theory, as one who questions
the
fundamental significance of space-time continuum itself. Stachel
ends
this section with the last published words of Einstein, 'one can
give
good reasons why reality cannot at all be represented by a
continuous
field. From the quantum phenomena it appears to follow with
certainty
that a finite system of finite energy can be completely described
by
a
finite set of numbers (quantum numbers). This does not seem to be
in
accordance with a continuum theory, and must lead to an attempt
to
find a purely algebraic theory for the description of reality.
But
nobody knows how to obtain the basis of such a theory'. Did this
other
Einstein have the last word?"

The other Einstein knew that the speed of discontinuous particles
of
light, photons, varied with the gravitational potential (see
Chapter
22 in his "Relativity"). He had certainly applied the equivalence
principle and obtained that, since the speed of light varies with
the
gravitational potential, it also varies with the relative speed
of
the
light source and the observer. And the other Einstein knew what
that
meant:

Einstein: "If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the
speed of the light source, then my whole theory of relativity and
theory of gravity is false."

Einstein again: "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot
be
based on the field concept, i.e., on continuous structures. In
that
case, nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics."

Pentcho Valev

More crap from self-obsessed leakage from the **** valve

No the renunciation of the space-time continuum comes from Einstein
himself, and your masters regard it as a salvation:

More crap from self-obsessed leakage from the **** valve

You don't believe me. I am so sorry. Yes your masters do see the
renunciation of the space-time continuum as a salvation:


More crap from self-obsessed leakage from the **** valve


Amazing. But see how Master John Stachel presents an aspect of the
continuum-discontinuum dilemma:


More crap from self-obsessed leakage from Pentcho's **** valve


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Old June 12th 07, 01:08 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.physics.cond-matter,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro
Jeckyl
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"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
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Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jun 11, 10:10 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
[snip crap]

Your views of relativity are no more valid than your views on
thermodynamics.

http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm


Of course.


Best thing you've ever said


 




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