Asteroid: Impact August 8, 2006

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:

Zinni Eat less meat balls in your pasta. All that heavy food is
weighing down brain cells(putting pressure on your brain.) Eat more
clams,octopus.and squid. Its brain food,and your brain needs the
nourishment. Than you will be a thinker,and not a parrot and add
something other than dribble to your posts TreBert

You and frootbat were made for each other, Beert.

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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:

nightbat Thanks for letting Scott know that its people that write books
that can give the public bad theories. Aristotle was only right half the
time. Reality is Mercury that is only about 29 million miles from the
Sun can fire a rocket to Earth easier than one into the Sun. Scott never
mentions "angular motion" of planets. Reality is his thinking is bad on
this subject because it must have came out of "Taff's book" TreBert
Still thinking of Double-A. I hope he went to Huntington Beach,and all
is well. Treb be gone 666 as promised.

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit, Beert.

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"Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting
renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief

"Have patience. First I shall deal with the State of Oregon
and County of Josephine, Then the AFAB, government/media
disinformation Agents with whom you conspire to libel me and my
family. Your time will come."
-- Raymond Ronald Karczewski©, usenet "christ"

"Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, and rather ironic, coming from
someone who obviously has no understanding of what a signature is. Tell me,
Haslam, do you sign your checks as 'Can't you show a little restraint?'"
-- David Tholen, Clueless Newbie of the Month, February 2003

Scott Miller wrote:

Let's see. The escape velocity of Mars is about 5 km/s. Relative to
the Sun, an object with that escape speed that is traveling tangent to
the orbit of Mars would either be traveling at 29 km/s if traveling in
the direction of Mars or 19 km/s if traveling in the opposite direction
of Mars. An object traveling radially along the line of the Sun gets
only the 5 km/s value.

Quibble: in the 'radial' case the object still starts out moving with
Mars. Using vector addition on your figures, sqr(24^2 + 5^2) ~= 24.5
km/s, on a heading atn(5/24) ~= 12° sunward of Mars's direction at
that point in its orbit.

--
Odysseus

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Scott Just one simple question for you to answer. A space ship leaving
Earth is it easier to travel to Jupiter or the Sun.?; I'm even giving
you the advantage of such a huge distance. Jupiter is about three times
further away from Earth than the Sun. Best you keep angular motion in
mind,for that is used by nature to counteract gravitational pull.
TreBert


Well since you want to compare apples to oranges, I see where you are
coming from. One can claim anything in a case like that. But lets stay
focused on the actual problem. One could metorites found in the
Antarctic ice come from Mars. Possible, linking their chemical
morphology to that of actual Mars rocks studied by the rovers (and thus
ruling out that they came from the Moon because the chemistry doesn't
match, alluding to one of your other posts). There have been more than
one of these found, and the reference I gave you was of one that was not
analysed by NASA scientists, which you like to disparage, but a group in
Europe.

And, as I already pointed out, any object leaving Mars without the
ability to escape the gravity of the Sun will be drawn to the Sun-funny
thing about gravity that. It may not do a straight line fall but a
trajectory, much like any other body operating under a single force.
But it will fall in the direction of the Sun, increasing the chances of
it reaching the Earth.

Finally, I find it extremely humorous that you claim knowledge of
celestial mechanics that the rest of the astronomical community
apparently does not possess. If it was so simple to refute the claims
of meteorites coming from Mars based on your simplistic assumptions,
someone brighter than you would have already pointed it out.

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
nightbat Thanks for letting Scott know that its people that write books
that can give the public bad theories. Aristotle was only right half the
time. Reality is Mercury that is only about 29 million miles from the
Sun can fire a rocket to Earth easier than one into the Sun. Scott never
mentions "angular motion" of planets. Reality is his thinking is bad on
this subject because it must have came out of "Taff's book" TreBert
Still thinking of Double-A. I hope he went to Huntington Beach,and all
is well. Treb be gone 666 as promised.


I wouldn't take solace in anything nightbat writes. He has far less
grasp of reality than you do from what I have been reading from time to
time. But, you are free to mathematically show me incorrect, and of
course, that the chemical analysis on those meteorites reported to be
from Mars is all messed up. Others better than you have tried, but take
a stab at it.

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Zinni Eat less meat balls in your pasta. All that heavy food is
weighing down brain cells(putting pressure on your brain.) Eat more
clams,octopus.and squid. Its brain food,and your brain needs the
nourishment. Than you will be a thinker,and not a parrot and add
something other than dribble to your posts TreBert



I hate to rain on your self-indulgent parade, but the spectroscopic
study of both the north and south polar caps of Mars indicate that the
permanent caps are water ice and that which is seen to change seasonally
is frozen carbon dioxide.

In addition, water vapor clouds have been observed in the thin
atmosphere of Mars.

If you are going to comment, at least keep up with the current observations.

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Scott I can relate Mars rocks falling onto the antarctic ice as with
flying saucers landing in Maine,and all the pictures of them on the Tv
History channel. Still it makes the front page,and when shown on Tv 10
times a year People start believing. Here is a picture that shows what
I'm talking about. It was written by a famous Iowa astronomer letting
the public in on a top secret. It fits well with people that don't do
any of their own thinking. TreBert


So, that would include you I suspect. Thinking, as pointed out by
another poster, deep or otherwise, seems to be your weak link. I am
still waiting for the proof that the analysis by independent groups are
all screwed up. And if you wish to trot out your mathematical proof
that nothing leaving Mars could ever reach Earth, I would like to see it
too. Else, you are simply handwaving, something I have pointed out in
the past you are generally only good for.

Scott you did not answer the question. You could say it is easier for
Mars rocks to fall into the Sun,and help your thinking 'but by now you
looked it up and found out you are wrong. Because of the Sun's great
gravity you have told me in time rocks will spiral into it and not
away(yes) Keep in mind you also believe Mars was closer to the Sun
billions of years ago. So I'll ask you this question. Why did it move
further away from the Sun's great force of gravity? Our Moon was
billions of years ago only 25,000 miles from Earth,and at that close
range their mutual gravity was very strong so why is it now 240,000
miles away? Scott your argument is getting so weak that what you are
using for your points are moving not inward but away. Even if all the
rocks fell inward to the Sun. Lets say trillions of rocks,leaving out
all the good science that you just can't comprehend. Scott it would
still be a trillion to one that you could hold a Mars rock in your hand.
You just won't except that fact. By the way since you brought up my
picking on the NASA shuttle program,and you flamed me for it. Do you
still think NASA **** is chocolate ice cream? You told us that the
shuttles going round and round for 35 years was great (remember) Have
you changed your views? We now know how many billions were
stolen. That it was never safe to fly. TreBert

Scott nightbat could be smarter than you me and Bert put together. You
have no right to judge. It in reality is your ego sounding off.
830lb of Moon rock. Are all these rocks the same? Are they like rocks
found on earth? Are Moon rocks like Mars rocks? Are orbiting rocks in
space all the same? Can you tell them apart? Can all of them have their
own slight feature so you can separate them as to where they came from.
Could all this make for tricky comparisons? After all there are only
92 elements,and CO2 is Co2 freon is freon and we know hydrogen loves to
bond with stuff. Could go on and on because I have a lot of good
science for my ammunition. Trebert

Scott I have kept up with Mars atmosphere,and it is a mixture of 95%
carbon dioxide Nitrogen 2.7% Argon1,6% and.0.7% ? Its pressure is 1%
of Earth's atmospheric pressure. Water molecules are broken down to
their two elements by the Sun's unblocked radiation,and hydrogen is lost
to space. This is a fact and the reason water can't exist on Mars
surface. This is why the rovers can't find one molecule of water This
is why it might be under ground??? This is why it might be under the
frosty Co2 at the north pole??? The process the Sun's radiation for
breaking water apart is called Photsynthesis.it is why Mars has no ice
on its surface,and why my disagreeing fits. TreBert