Former Hansen Supervisor Calls for the Global Warming Alarmist's Dismissal

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?
Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.

It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up!

I always encourage psychotics and nutcases like you to speak their mind.

the only thing we care about

Who's we and when did they elect you as their spokesperson?

'We' needs to lay off the testosterone.

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:23:55 -0500, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?

Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.

It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up! He/she/it
does not like anyone to challenge Environmentalist orthodoxy.

All one needs to do is read to see that you were the one trying to
tell kT to shut up. It's right there, above! kT only told you that
your opinion wasn't worth anything. Different thing. If you draw
lines at telling people to shut up, you crossed your own line.
Interesting you can't see your own failure to meet your own standards.

Jon

In article ,
kT smoked some dope, drank the Kool Aid and
posted:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?
Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.

It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up!

I always encourage psychotics and nutcases like you to speak their mind.


So "kT" needs company, eh? Problem is -- he/she/it apparently has no
mind -- he/she/it only parrots eco-Nazi propaganda and has no capability
for independent thought.

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In article ,
Jon Kirwan wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:23:55 -0500, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?

Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.

It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up! He/she/it
does not like anyone to challenge Environmentalist orthodoxy.

All one needs to do is read to see that you were the one trying to
tell kT to shut up. It's right there, above! kT only told you that
your opinion wasn't worth anything. Different thing. If you draw
lines at telling people to shut up, you crossed your own line.
Interesting you can't see your own failure to meet your own standards.

Jon

The son-of-a-bitch crossed the line by saying that my opinions were
worthless. Then he deleted pertinent information that I had posted.

As he had nothing but insults to post, I told him to STFU.

Are YOU just another "global warming" myrmadon, too?

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
Jon Kirwan wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:23:55 -0500, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?
Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.
It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up! He/she/it
does not like anyone to challenge Environmentalist orthodoxy.
All one needs to do is read to see that you were the one trying to
tell kT to shut up. It's right there, above! kT only told you that
your opinion wasn't worth anything. Different thing. If you draw
lines at telling people to shut up, you crossed your own line.
Interesting you can't see your own failure to meet your own standards.

Jon

The son-of-a-bitch crossed the line by saying that my opinions were
worthless. Then he deleted pertinent information that I had posted.

The usenet is tough. Real tough. I guess you just can't take it, huh?

As he had nothing but insults to post, I told him to STFU.

Thus revealing your true colors. They aren't red, white and blue.

Are YOU just another "global warming" myrmadon, too?

Mammals. Primates. You just gotta love em.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
kT smoked some dope, drank the Kool Aid and
posted:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?
Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.
It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up!
I always encourage psychotics and nutcases like you to speak their mind.


So "kT" needs company, eh? Problem is -- he/she/it apparently has no
mind -- he/she/it only parrots eco-Nazi propaganda and has no capability
for independent thought.

I'm so mad, everyone else is dicovering things, why can't I discover
something for a change. All I get is some usenet crank named Orval.

I shall submit my discovery to the 'Journal of Orval Results'.

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:34:30 -0500, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:

In article ,
Jon Kirwan wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:23:55 -0500, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?

Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.

It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up! He/she/it
does not like anyone to challenge Environmentalist orthodoxy.

All one needs to do is read to see that you were the one trying to
tell kT to shut up. It's right there, above! kT only told you that
your opinion wasn't worth anything. Different thing. If you draw
lines at telling people to shut up, you crossed your own line.
Interesting you can't see your own failure to meet your own standards.

Jon

The son-of-a-bitch crossed the line by saying that my opinions were
worthless. Then he deleted pertinent information that I had posted.

As he had nothing but insults to post, I told him to STFU.

I just found your logic intriguingly odd. You tell kT to STFU, then
when kT writes, "because that's not the America way of life. Only
someone with an indefensible position would say that," you then accuse
him of doing exactly what you earlier had actually done yourself,
saying, "It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME
up!" Ironic, that you were actually guilty of exactly that. And that
kT actually hadn't done that, despite your accusation.

Are YOU just another "global warming" myrmadon, too?

Irrelevant. Address yourself to the point at hand.

Jon

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In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
kT smoked some dope, drank the Kool Aid and
posted:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
kT wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Since you either refuse to discuss facts, or are unable to do so, why
don't you STFU?
Because that's not the America way of life.

Only someone with an indefensible position would say that.
It seems that it was the Fascist "kT" who tried to shut ME up!
I always encourage psychotics and nutcases like you to speak their mind.


So "kT" needs company, eh? Problem is -- he/she/it apparently has no
mind -- he/she/it only parrots eco-Nazi propaganda and has no capability
for independent thought.

I'm so mad, everyone else is dicovering things, why can't I discover
something for a change. All I get is some usenet crank named Orval.

I shall submit my discovery to the 'Journal of Orval Results'.

Well, dip****, I worked on missile launch detection IR satellite
development for eight+ years. CO2 was NEVER an influence on atmospheric
clarity. Water vapor was a major contributor to attenuation.

If you care to discuss atmospheric absorption of IR, let me know. As far
as I see, "kT's" only scientific background may be in the bottom-feeding
"social sciences." such as sociology, or political science, neither of
which really uses scientific methods.

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Apparently, any view or subsequent improved science as could be easily
obtained from Selene/moon L1 or even via OCO, as to our having
essential knowledge about Earth is not a good thing, but on the other
hand we can never have too much knowledge about Mars or other
godforsaken planets and moons. Such as knowing our thermal imbalance,
extent of pollution and the ongoing loss in mass isn’t worth the
trouble if there’s any Big Energy price or consequences to pay.

Some if not the greater portion of our global warming trend is
unavoidable by way of volcanism and geothermal ventings, the vast
majority of which has been taking place underwater. Ever since the
last ice age it seems our terrestrial thermal activity has been
increasing, as though the reactive core of Earth hasn’t seen its last
spurt of growth.

In addition to an extremely slight rise per century in solar influx of
perhaps 0.1 w/m2 that amounts to merely 25.5e9 kw, whereas in order
to raise the ocean temperature by an average of 1°C per century would
require an extra continuous energy influx of 1.1e12 kw above whatever
we can say is the norm. For considering one fully interactive source
of such energy that’s keeping Earths’ core a little extra hot, there’s
our Selene/moon which demands a holding force of 2e20 N.m, and this
interactive force alone equals 55.5e12 kw if it were all converted
into geothermal energy. However, at 1% conversion via internal
friction of this 2e20 N.m force into thermal energy = 0.555e12 kw,
roughly half of the required energy to raise the ocean temperature by
1°C/century, and 1% seems perfectly conservative enough, because at 2%
conversion is where this alone more than covers the entire global
warming package deal.

There is also the ongoing -.05%/year demise of our magnetosphere that
ties in rather nicely to what is geothermally manifesting, as though
the internal process that sustains our global magnetic force field is
somehow indirectly contributing ocean hydrothermals and volcanic
activity that in turn unavoidably impacts our oceans, surface and
global environment as measurable heat. My some research, this ongoing
demise in our magnetosphere is somewhat worse off than I’d thought.
“Will Compasses Point South?” http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9629C8B 63

Robert W. Felix, as author of “Not by Fire but by Ice” is not saying
that we humans haven’t contributed to the global warming trend, but
instead is looking at the greater geothermal picture, though without
his fully understanding exactly where and how mother Earth sustains or
much less increases her geothermal output is only somewhat misleading
or at least incomplete data in order to draw a fully informed opinion,
as to what is primarily driving our global thaw from the very last ice
age this planet w/moon is ever going to see. In other words, there’s
still a question as to where exactly other than the sun is Earths’
surface environment getting this extra dosage of energy, if not from
within and from our interactive tidal grip of our moon.

There’s always global warming from the inside out:
With more than 200,000 counted thus far, there could be “Three Million
Underwater Volcanoes” (venting superheated gasses, fluids and solids)
Researchers estimate that in total there could be about 3 million
submarine volcanoes, 39,000 of which rise more than 1000 meters over
the sea bed.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Ocean_Warming.htm
http://www.iceagenow.com/Three_Milli..._Volcanoes.htm

Besides underwater venting of geothermal superheated solids (including
S8) and new water, however this kind of activity is also venting a
great deal of CO2, SO2, CH4, Rn, He and H2.

Earths’ relatively thin-crust ocean floor and the underlying cache of
our georeactive core, as being further agitated along by the
interactive 2e20 N of tidal force that’s holding onto our Selene/moon,
plus always a solar tidal force, whereas this continuous interaction
along with our geo-reactor core is what subsequently produces the
average background of 64 TW in surplus/spare geothermal radiated
energy, along with our reactive core energy having been creating a
number of gasses and radioactive decay products, such as radon and
helium. (note: 64 TW was an amount based upon a square meter of
cleared test area that’s situated under a thick layer of Antarctica
ice as radiating at 125 mw, thus I am ignoring the million some odd
global hydrothermal vents or hot spots, and otherwise keeping in mind
that in sufficient thickness ice is actually performing as a good
thermal insulator)

In addition to our own artificial ocean heating that’s worth at least
something more than a few good terawatts, "a normal hydrothermal vent
might produce something like 500 megawatts - this is producing 100,000
megawatts. It's like an atom bomb down there.”
http://www.iceagenow.com/Megaplume.htm

If given a highly conservative speculation of 100 MW per each of a
million natural hydrothermal vents is worth 1e11 kw (100 TW).
However, without the likes of OCO and PFS global readings we’re kind
of brain dead and can’t be sure.

None the less, this brings a good portion of our human environmental
impact into a better perspective, as a contributing but somewhat minor
factor in our continued thaw from the very last ice age this planet w/
moon is ever going to see. The OCO mission would have rather easily
mapped those primary natural and artificial ventings of gasses in
sufficient resolution that would have removed most all doubt as to the
specific sources, volumes and objectively quantified affects. With
some easily validated interpolation as to the extent or volumes of
helium released could also have been established, along with a mission
of PFS deep IR penetration imaging would map every 0.1 km2 of Earth’s
surface (including the ocean floor at 1 km2 or better).

All of terrestrial venting or outgassing that includes solids, fluids
and various gasses can not help but include those two most lofty
elements of hydrogen and helium that eventually leave us for places
unknown. The heavier of gaseous elements (natural as well as
artificial) do however stick around to haunt us, and not always in a
positive or constructive way.

As I’ve stated before, along with some limited science interpretation
as having suggested that our human impact upon this global warming
trend could be as little as 10% of the overall picture, and otherwise
it’s certainly not more than 25%, of which is entirely different than
our much greater contribution on behalf of having physically polluted
and otherwise contaminating most of everything in sight. Until the
failed and/or intentionally foiled OCO mission is replaced, along with
a PFS or similar IR imager, we’ll not have sufficient global data to
draw upon, which is not to say that current information and the
regular laws of physics need be ignored or systematically excluded, as
is so often the case by those having a vested interest in Big Energy
that would pay nearly any amount to have such an openly objective
source of atmospheric, chemical and thermal data put off for as long
as possible, because obviously they do not want to held accountable.

In other words, the more withholding and/or obfuscating of science the
better chance Big Energy has at pulling out profits before the jig is
up, so to speak. Otherwise it’s also like a form of Ponzi geology,
whereas keeping the rest of us snookered and dumbfounded past the
point of no return has terrific benefits for those in charge that’ll
continue to make future generations pay for our actions or inactions.
In this method no one of the current generation is ever going to be
held accountable, or much less responsible. Therefore it is
imperative on behalf of Big Energy to subvert or foil whatever science
that’s capable of being all-inclusive and current enough to apply as
to the situation at hand.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”