Silent night

On Nov 26, 4:53 pm, American wrote:
On Nov 26, 3:23 pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Nov 26, 10:55 am, American wrote:

On Nov 25, 9:15 am, BradGuth wrote:

On Nov 24, 9:32 pm, Totorkon wrote:

On Nov 24, 5:56 pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Nov 21, 9:28 pm, Totorkon wrote:

It was claimed that in a targeted survey the 'phoenix' set of radio
dishes, including arecibo, would be able to pick up the carrier signal
of a gigawatt beacon at a distance of 200 lys.
By extrapolation, to pick up a megawatt signal, a common power level
for dtv transmission, at a distance of a hundred lys, would require an
area of nearly ten square miles... equal to the expanse of a 5GW SPS.

The 'defered' terrestrial planet finder telescope would be four times
the size of hubble and stars as far as 29 lys would be surveyed. To
get a reliable spectrum of even the ozone of an earth twin at 100 lys
would require an awe inspiring 30m mirror.

These instruments would be required to detect a civilization or the
precursor oxygen atmosphere that might precede it by half a billion
years, for just the closest 10000 stars, a ten millionth of the
galaxy's population.

We can't know if the starry night is silent until we have bigger ears
and eyes.

We should be transmitting our SOS via laser packets, using our Selene/
moon L1 as our laser packet transmitting platform.

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Wouldn't that be 'SOP' (.../---/.--.) as in 'Save Our Planet'?

I like it(SOP), and perhaps ETs might even get the drift of that
message and then wonder, why bother?

Even if we attract the attention of really bad ETs, how could that be
any worse off than what pathetic terrestrial options we have to pick
from?

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The answer here seems to be

** just DO it **

DO find earth-like planets that are the most habitable;

Already found Venus, though a touch on the geothermally toasty side,
it's entirely within our technological expertise as is, and it even
looks as though we wouldn't be the first.

DO build FTL vehicles to move into the new land of milk and honey
BEFORE the inevitable happens on THIS planet (and it most certainly
WILL);

DO provide the best exit strategy before disaster strikes and the most
violent military and paramilitary forces are involved in the mass
extermination of the faithful few who still believe in a superior
being that created us (a GOD perchance?);

DO separate ourselves from the incessant madness that permeates our
culture in the banishing of our borders, language, and culture for the
express purpose of selling our country down the tubes;

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We must learn to practice these kinds of things a whole lot better
before the inevitable happens.

A

The inevitable of terrestrial carbon energy running low and otherwise
becoming spendy, plus having our SEC regulated investment markets and
countless jobs w/benefits as having kinda gone down the nearest
toilet. For many it's simply too little, too late, and the
consequences of countless thousands having since committed suicide or
having gone off the edge of Earth (past the point of no return so to
speak), as is.

When you have nothing more to lose, you tend to do strange and
sometimes fearless things, like flying large aircraft into tall
buildings or other highly populated locations.

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Is this your intellectual response to what a massive
technological rush to the stars would become, because
it sounds to me like the typical Hegelistic philosophy
that new ideas will create their opposites.

However, Hegelianism, as it existed after the Civil War,
was not in conflict with the idea of free will. Free will
does not mean in this sense that ideas are not as
"emotional" today, as they are supposed to be "logical"
w.r.t. a revolution in scientific intuition.

There hasn't been an American revolution since
around 1860, and one would tend to believe that the
first native American philosophy that was propogated
following the Civil War - the philosophy that ideas
could be evaluated in terms of their consequences -
would be guided by a much greater force on their
individual consequences, since it has been mostly
unknown groups of individuals who have been deciding
the fate of millions of Americans, in spending hundreds
of billions of dollars in the bailout of industries that
have little or nothing to do with the smaller,
scientific entrepreneur.

Hasn't anyone noticed that most of the industries who
get "bailed out" are becoming more "collateral" to
military industrial type industries that are OUTSIDE of
there being a revolutionary transportation and energy
economy - an economy that has the potential of
going interstellar?

I'm tending to believe that there is a much larger scale
of cosmic weather than either Chauncy Wright, IMF, or
the energy cartels will care to admit to, for reasons that
the mass manipulators have decided to use, in order
to enslave all those who will question their motives, while
those of us who actually care to voice serious concern
over the monstrousity of capital, are presently being
flaunted by Treasury Secretary H. Paulson and the like,
as if no amount of capital will ever decide the nature of
reality of a U.S. bureaucrat, as one of the fattest,
greediest swine that this world has ever known.

Americans who don't recognize this symptom for what
it is will eventually lose their ability to ascertain what
will it is, that a free people must have, if they must lose
all of their free will to believe in "what it is" that defines
"the truth". Since it has become more recently "the truth"
that goes unnoticed, without the least bit of curiosity on
the part of the mass media, or even intuitive scientific
methodology among the truly informed, as no positive
hierarchy of outcomes based on sheer pragmatism will
put the defeatist to the test, in refusing to believe that
they must be force-fed to accept others' problems
becoming their own, in the victimology of the ignorant's
syndrome of circumstancial evidence, gone into the
witch hunt's blame machine.

American

Your FTL travel simply isn't in the cards we've been given.

Give us better cards and we'll play along with that one.

Terrestrial matters are clearly of the faith-based Zionist/Nazi kind,
and unfortunately they kinda control the vast bulk of media, global
banking and our public education system of leaving no kid behind, as
unsnookered and least of all without their having been dumbfounded
past the point of no return.

However, with BHO in charge, I do not believe their New World Order is
going to take hold, at least I sure as hell hope it doesn't, because
otherwise it'll make 9/11 look like a passive demo rehearsal.

~ BG