Global Warming is about giving your government more regulatory powerand your eventual enslavment.

On Oct 29, 4:31 am, "Chris.B" wrote:
On Oct 16, 2:03 am, Hank Kroll wrote:
snip

Whether man made global warming is true or not is immaterial in the
American context: It gives us enormous pleasure to know that the
largest abuser of dwindling energy reserves pays many times over for
every barrel. First it pays its despotic enemies over the top for the
oil knowing that the customer is not remotely respected. Then it pays
for a second time for the security measures to keep the oil reserves
safe. It pays for a third time for the massive security measures to
protect itself from the citizens/terrorists who aren't allowed even a
tiny stake in the fabulous wealth oil generates for the dictators. It
pays for a fourth time to fight illegal wars in the hope of getting
its hands on cheap oil. It pays for a fifth time in the loathing and
disgust with which America is held by the civilised world. It pays for
a sixth time in the loss of revenue to health and social security
services which would help its citizens live safe and comfortable
lives. It pays for a seventh time when the oil rich nations buy up its
important property, businesses and service industries cheaply using
money given them by America. It pays for an eighth time in the ill
health the oil causes in smog and pollution. It pays for a ninth time
in the despoiling of the seas by corrupt businesses carrying the oil
at least cost and highest profits by employing non-American sailors
and staff. It pays for a tenth time for the lack of timely investment
in alternative energy sources. It pays for the eleventh time reducing
global warming while still employing century old technologies. It pays
a twelfth time for the loss of productivity while workers sit in cars
in traffic jams despite the massive investment already made in roads.
It pays for a thirteenth time for the loss of lives due to present
transport systems and the wasteful policing of them. It pays for the
fifteenth time for the interest rates it pays on borrowing to buy the
foreign oil in the first pace. It pays a sixteenth time for the damage
done to the beauty of unspoilt coasts and countryside by oil
exploration. It pays for a seventeenth tie in the national stress of
electing losers as their representatives knowing they cannot reduce
the price of gas at the pumps or oil for home heating. It pays for an
eighteenth time in importing cars which people actually want to drive
instead of what is offered by their time-locked, early 20th century
car makers. It pays for a nineteenth time in making the roads unfit,
unhealthy and unsafe places for walkers, joggers and cyclists. It pays
for a twentieth time in all the things it cannot afford to do because
it is sucking the planet dry of oil it can no longer pay for with
cash. Etc, etc, etc, etc.

Etc, etc, etc, etc:

Did you happen to mention the ultimate payment in the flow of blood
and guts of the mostly poor and innocent?

Did you mention the commercial consumption of fresh water in the
process of preparing and proper combustion of fossil fuels (especially
of coal, although even natural gas needs fresh water)?

Did you mention the inevitable oops factors of fossil fuel
exploration, mining, drilling, transporting and processing that
doesn't always go according to plan? (we're talking of body counts
plus downwind or downstream contaminations and subsequent [always
negative] environment and human DNA plus other health consequences)

Did you perchance mention the global commute mileage per day that's
continually taking place specifically due to the task of fossil energy
explorations, the establishing of new and improved as well as damage
replacement infrastructure for the ongoing extractions, of their many
pipes, pumping stations, rail and ship transporting, essential
processing of solids, fluids and gas elements, consumer packaging and
final distributions?

What about our using failsafe thorium instead?

What about a maximum effort of fully renewable alternatives?

What about a 10 fold improvement to our national power grids?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / Guth Usenet

This is what “Chris.B” had to say, and for the most part I’d have to
fully concur, that our global warming via artificial or natural causes
may indeed be an unfortunate path to our future demise, however, it’s
hardly the looming and gripping threat that’s being intentionally kept
behind closed doors, and/or having been made taboo/nondisclosure rated
to the public media that wouldn’t dare bite the hand that’s feeding
them.

On Oct 29, 4:31 am, "Chris.B" wrote:
On Oct 16, 2:03 am, Hank Kroll wrote:
snip

Whether man made global warming is true or not is immaterial in the
American context: It gives us enormous pleasure to know that the
largest abuser of dwindling energy reserves pays many times over for
every barrel. First it pays its despotic enemies over the top for the
oil knowing that the customer is not remotely respected. Then it pays
for a second time for the security measures to keep the oil reserves
safe. It pays for a third time for the massive security measures to
protect itself from the citizens/terrorists who aren't allowed even a
tiny stake in the fabulous wealth oil generates for the dictators. It
pays for a fourth time to fight illegal wars in the hope of getting
its hands on cheap oil. It pays for a fifth time in the loathing and
disgust with which America is held by the civilised world. It pays for
a sixth time in the loss of revenue to health and social security
services which would help its citizens live safe and comfortable
lives. It pays for a seventh time when the oil rich nations buy up its
important property, businesses and service industries cheaply using
money given them by America. It pays for an eighth time in the ill
health the oil causes in smog and pollution. It pays for a ninth time
in the despoiling of the seas by corrupt businesses carrying the oil
at least cost and highest profits by employing non-American sailors
and staff. It pays for a tenth time for the lack of timely investment
in alternative energy sources. It pays for the eleventh time reducing
global warming while still employing century old technologies. It pays
a twelfth time for the loss of productivity while workers sit in cars
in traffic jams despite the massive investment already made in roads.
It pays for a thirteenth time for the loss of lives due to present
transport systems and the wasteful policing of them. It pays for the
fifteenth time for the interest rates it pays on borrowing to buy the
foreign oil in the first pace. It pays a sixteenth time for the damage
done to the beauty of unspoilt coasts and countryside by oil
exploration. It pays for a seventeenth tie in the national stress of
electing losers as their representatives knowing they cannot reduce
the price of gas at the pumps or oil for home heating. It pays for an
eighteenth time in importing cars which people actually want to drive
instead of what is offered by their time-locked, early 20th century
car makers. It pays for a nineteenth time in making the roads unfit,
unhealthy and unsafe places for walkers, joggers and cyclists. It pays
for a twentieth time in all the things it cannot afford to do because
it is sucking the planet dry of oil it can no longer pay for with
cash. Etc, etc, etc, etc.

Etc, etc, etc, etc:
Did you happen to mention the ultimate payment in the flow of local
and foreign blood and guts, of the mostly poor and innocent?

Did you mention the full collateral extent of 9/11 that impacted the
entire world economy and caused wide spread inflation, not to mention
fostering distrust?

Did you happen to mention the commercial consumption of fresh water in
the process of preparing and proper combustion of fossil fuels
(especially of coal, although even natural gas needs a supply of fresh
water)?

Did you mention the inevitable oops factors of fossil fuel
exploration, mining, drilling, transporting, processing distribution
that doesn't always go according to plan? (we're talking of body
counts plus downwind or downstream contaminations and subsequent
[always negative] environment and human DNA plus other health
consequences)

Did you happen to mention the amounts of radiation released into our
atmosphere plus surface and water environments, that’s specifically
due to fossil fuel usage?

Did you happen to mention those growing and ever expanding ocean dead
zones, and what it’s going to cost us in order to salvage or rectify?

Did you perchance mention the global commute mileage per day that's
continually taking place specifically due to the ongoing task of
fossil energy explorations, the establishing of new and improved as
well as damage replacement infrastructure for their ongoing
extractions, of installing and servicing their many pipe lines,
pumping stations, rail and via ship transporting, essential processing
of fossil fuel into various solids, fluids, synfuels and gas elements,
plus consumer packaging and final distributions?

Alternatives to fossil fuels:

What about our using the relatively failsafe thorium instead?

What about a maximum effort on behalf of using fully renewable
alternatives?

What about accomplishing the 10 fold improvement to our national power
grids?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / Guth Usenet

On Oct 15, 6:02 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
HankKrollwrote:
My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

Think barycenter. (everything in our universe orbits about something)

~ BG

On Oct 15, 11:14 pm, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article 6hxJk.334622$TT4.282639@attbi_s22,
Sam Wormley wrote:

HankKrollwrote:

My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

In addition, if the Sun was in such an orbit, the orbital period would
be of the order of several billion years instead of a mere 105 thousand
years. Which means that not many, if any, revolutions in that orbit
would have been completed during the lifetime so far of the Galaxy.
In addition, that "orbit" would be so easily disturbed by other stars
passing nearby that the stars would most likely be scattered from
one another before even half an orbit would have been completed.

An orbital period of a mere 105 thousand years would require an orbital
velocity of some 100 km/s which is way way beyond escape velocity for
such a system.

HansKrollhas just revealed his total ignorance in orbital mechanics...

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e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

If not Sirius and our solar system, what else has an elliptical
105,000 year period?

Why not a closing velocity average of 40+ km/s?

Why not a barycenter existing between us and Sirius?

How much of the gravity redshift is causing our measured -7.5 km/s
blueshift as being in error?

~ BG

In article ,
BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:02 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
HankKrollwrote:
My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

Think barycenter. (everything in our universe orbits about something)

However, Sirius, Procyon and the Sun do *not* orbit one another!!!!
Their relative velocities exceed, by a large amount, their mutual
escape velocities.

~ BG


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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

In article ,
BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:14 pm, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article 6hxJk.334622$TT4.282639@attbi_s22,
Sam Wormley wrote:

HankKrollwrote:

My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

In addition, if the Sun was in such an orbit, the orbital period would
be of the order of several billion years instead of a mere 105 thousand
years. Which means that not many, if any, revolutions in that orbit
would have been completed during the lifetime so far of the Galaxy.
In addition, that "orbit" would be so easily disturbed by other stars
passing nearby that the stars would most likely be scattered from
one another before even half an orbit would have been completed.

An orbital period of a mere 105 thousand years would require an orbital
velocity of some 100 km/s which is way way beyond escape velocity for
such a system.

HansKrollhas just revealed his total ignorance in orbital mechanics...

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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

If not Sirius and our solar system, what else has an elliptical
105,000 year period?

Perhaps nothing at all .... why must something orbit our Sun with
that period?

Why not a closing velocity average of 40+ km/s?

Why not a barycenter existing between us and Sirius?

There is a barycenter between any two bodies of course. But the
Sun and Sirius do NOT orbit this barycenter in a closed orbit!
Any "orbit" there will be strongly hyperbolic and therefore non-periodic.


How much of the gravity redshift is causing our measured -7.5 km/s
blueshift as being in error?

A small fraction of one km/s ....

Why don't you do the math yourself?

~ BG


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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

On Nov 22, 2:45 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,

BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:02 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
HankKrollwrote:
My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

Think barycenter. (everything in our universe orbits about something)

However, Sirius, Procyon and the Sun do *not* orbit one another!!!!
Their relative velocities exceed, by a large amount, their mutual
escape velocities.

They may orbit a barycenter or perhaps a black hole plus barycenter if
you like.

How many teraVolts does the Sirius star system represent?

~ BG

On Nov 22, 2:45 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,



BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:14 pm, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article 6hxJk.334622$TT4.282639@attbi_s22,
Sam Wormley wrote:

HankKrollwrote:

My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

In addition, if the Sun was in such an orbit, the orbital period would
be of the order of several billion years instead of a mere 105 thousand
years. Which means that not many, if any, revolutions in that orbit
would have been completed during the lifetime so far of the Galaxy.
In addition, that "orbit" would be so easily disturbed by other stars
passing nearby that the stars would most likely be scattered from
one another before even half an orbit would have been completed.

An orbital period of a mere 105 thousand years would require an orbital
velocity of some 100 km/s which is way way beyond escape velocity for
such a system.

HansKrollhas just revealed his total ignorance in orbital mechanics...

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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

If not Sirius and our solar system, what else has an elliptical
105,000 year period?

Perhaps nothing at all .... why must something orbit our Sun with
that period?

Unexplained ice-ages. Secondly, where did our Selene/moon come from,
and the same goes for the planet Venus?


Why not a closing velocity average of 40+ km/s?

Why not a barycenter existing between us and Sirius?

There is a barycenter between any two bodies of course. But the
Sun and Sirius do NOT orbit this barycenter in a closed orbit!
Any "orbit" there will be strongly hyperbolic and therefore non-periodic.

Is that why these extremely nearby stars are not running within any
public accessible orbital simulator?

How close are we going to get to Sirius? (going back a few million
years would also be nice)


How much of the gravity redshift is causing our measured -7.5 km/s
blueshift as being in error?

A small fraction of one km/s ....

Why don't you do the math yourself?

Because then we wouldn't need nice guys like yourself.

~ BG

In article ,
BradGuth wrote:
On Nov 22, 2:45 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,

BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:02 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
HankKrollwrote:
My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

Think barycenter. (everything in our universe orbits about something)

However, Sirius, Procyon and the Sun do *not* orbit one another!!!!
Their relative velocities exceed, by a large amount, their mutual
escape velocities.

They may orbit a barycenter or perhaps a black hole plus barycenter if
you like.

There is no evidence for the existence of any black hole between us and Sirius.
Sorry.....

How many teraVolts does the Sirius star system represent?

~ BG



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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

On Nov 23, 4:16 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,



BradGuth wrote:
On Nov 22, 2:45 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,

BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:02 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
HankKrollwrote:
My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

Think barycenter. (everything in our universe orbits about something)

However, Sirius, Procyon and the Sun do *not* orbit one another!!!!
Their relative velocities exceed, by a large amount, their mutual
escape velocities.

They may orbit a barycenter or perhaps a black hole plus barycenter if
you like.

There is no evidence for the existence of any black hole between us and Sirius.
Sorry.....

How many teraVolts does the Sirius star system represent?

~ BG

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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/


That's too bad, because it could certainly use a good BH, even if it's
a fairly small one. How about the multi teraVolts between our solar
system and that of the Sirius star/solar system?

~ BG