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In comp.robotics.misc Sir Charles W. Shults III wrote:
Well, While I agree with the "rule the world" nonsense being "plonked", Jan did have one fairly astute comment...... Thirty years after the political stunt of landing men on the moon THIS is the best that the richest country in the world can do?! We get toy robots wandering around on Mars? What happened to "real" space stations? Or colony outposts on the Moon where REAL interplanetary projects can get a jump start? Thirty five years after Neil Armstrong's immortalized quote we're STILL flying vehicles that cost hundreds of millions a launch and throw away half the mass JUST to get into NEO? I'm so disappointed with our track record I want to spit every time I hear that misbegotten political entity's name mentioned. NASA, hack ptui! Let the robber barons loose and see how long it takes to spread through the solar system and beyond. Not that I'm hip to robber barons, but even I recognize that without commercialization Columbus would never have bothered with the "new world." Sigh, IMO of course, DLC : "Jan Panteltje" wrote in message : ... : vituperative rant snipped : If we really wanted to rule the world, many places might already be : radioactive glass parking lots. : Plonk. : Cheers! : Chip Shults -- ================================================== ========================== * Dennis Clark www.techtoystoday.com * * "Programming and Customizing the OOPic Microcontroller" Mcgraw-Hill 2003 * ================================================== ========================== |
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What happened is simple- we signed the UN Space treaty and are not
allowed as a nation to develop space resources, and the general public is pretty much shut out of space by regulations. There are trillions of dollars to be pumped into the economy by developing even a small fraction of the potential, but people have been convinced that it is too expensive or that there is no profit to be made. It is unbelievable that in over 30 years, no real advances have been made. Solar power satellites alone would replace nearly all fossil fuel and apparently, nobody cares to do that. Cheers! Chip Shults |
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In comp.robotics.misc Sir Charles W. Shults III wrote:
IMO, both NASA and that treaty need to be plonked. We are an expanding race and unless we all want to adopt the Chinese population control ideas we need someplace to _go_. Another issue that international economic parity enthusiasts seem to conveniently ignore, if EVERYONE on the planet aspires to the living standards of the "Western World", and I see no reason why they shouldn't, where will all those resources come from that will be needed to provide it? Will we simply strip the planet to the core? Then what? Space isn't a silly fantasy, it is an economic necessity for continued life on this orb. Let's go a step further, what will we do with all the "second sons"? By this I mean, how to we deal with the youth looking for meaning? In the past we "got rid of them" through exploration of new lands and peoples. This satisfied the collective case of "foot itch and horizon fever" and spurred new ideas and activities that benefitted us all. Where do they go now? The planet will become one big city in the next 100 years, then what? We need to get "out there" for economic, cultural, societal and survival reasons. It ain't SF folks, it is swiftly becoming a racial need. It is time to stop forbidding, and start regulating space activities. It is time to get space exploration OUT of the hands of all these old women in hats and into the hands of the risk takers. IMO of course, DLC : What happened is simple- we signed the UN Space treaty and are not : allowed as a nation to develop space resources, and the general public is : pretty much shut out of space by regulations. There are trillions of : dollars to be pumped into the economy by developing even a small fraction of : the potential, but people have been convinced that it is too expensive or : that there is no profit to be made. : It is unbelievable that in over 30 years, no real advances have been : made. Solar power satellites alone would replace nearly all fossil fuel and : apparently, nobody cares to do that. : Cheers! : Chip Shults -- ================================================== ========================== * Dennis Clark www.techtoystoday.com * * "Programming and Customizing the OOPic Microcontroller" Mcgraw-Hill 2003 * ================================================== ========================== |
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Dennis, I agree wholeheartedly.
Now, I have been looking at those images. Pretty neat. Check this one out: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...EFF0327P2367R1 M1.JPG Note the matter of how well the soil takes the prints. This indicates fine sediment particles, but also note that it fractures and breaks up pretty easily, not exactly like talcum or cocoa, but more like something with a mixture of other particles. Seems to be that the material takes prints very nicely but does not stick together that well overall, like a mixture of extremely fine dust and some fine sand in the mix as well. It is also pretty compressible from the look of it. Also note that the larger flat granules in the upper right of the image seem embedded in the finer silt- I have seen similar structures where pebbles had the soil under them eroded away by wind. This stuff doesn't seem to see much action. But also, very interesting (at least to me is the extremely abraded, worn smooth surfaces of the rocks. This indicates that those dust storms indeed do scour the daylights out of things, and that this is something we may want to pay close attention to for future missions, manned and otherwise. I also agree with the general sentiment about static electric effects being substantial there. Note that in the nearly vacuum conditions (typically 8 millibars or so) and with those extremely tiny silt particles, static attraction is probably a major controlling factor in how the dust and wind interact. Now, let's have a look at this one: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...EFF0327P2370L7 M1.JPG This shot is a gem- it says a lot in one image. Note many of the rocks have a definite, "faceted" look to them. It might be that these particular rocks are plutonic intrusions that have crystallized slowly in a manner similar to basalt columns, but then I have to dismiss this idea because they have that "caramel" look like they have fractured along amorphous planes. This is pretty good material to test the brain with- you can see a texture almost like melonstone, sandblasted smooth and revealing the fracture planes. I think of something like obsidian but not as hard. It would be interesting to dig down the side of one of those larger rocks to see how far down the weathered surfaces extend. We might also learn something about the age of the dust- how long it has been there, for instance. It also looks from the surface of the soil here and also in this pictu http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...EFF0327P2371R2 M1.JPG ...that the coarser grains are moved about separately from the finer dust grains. Apparently a segregating mechanism is operating, and probably happens once again during the onset of dust storms. I saw a fascinating demonstration of how dust storms start in near vacuum conditions, that explained that larger particles can move about pretty well in the high winds without the dust being picked up. But- once the larger particles are in motion, they can strike and break free small quantities of the dust, thus setting a cascade of effects in motion that starts a real dust storm. That seems to be important in the layering look that the larger particles have. Note that the larger sand seems to be blown in drifts along the rock "shadows" but that the silty looking stuff stays behind. Finally, look at any of the microscopic images from sol 17- this is a good one: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...EFF0327P2931M2 M1.JPG Here it appears that the silt has been laid down like mud, then some bubbles might have emerged from the wet layer as it dried. Note the distinct holes in the material! Looks like those clams on the beach have been at it. Seriously though, this would be a fascinating experiment- a slurry of clay and a partial vacuum, wait for it to dry, and see if it duplicates the look of this microscope view. Well, just my 2 cents' worth. Cheers! Chip Shults |
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