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In article ,
BradGuth wrote:

So stop asking for supercomputer time - code the simulation yourself on
your laptop first!!! The only reason you have to ask for supercomputer
time (and complain when you don't get it) is to avoid doing the work
yourself! CPU power is no longer the scarce resource it once was.
Today CPU power is ubiquitous - that's why people are asked to donate
CPU time from their private computers in projects like seti@home. But
most CPU power of today is used in idle cycles, or to draw pretty images
on people's computer screens. You cna use your own CPU power differently
if you want - for instance by running those simulations you're asking
for. What are you waiting for? Go ahead !!!

In other Paul Schlyter words, whatever you do, no matters what never
help Einstein or anyone else. Now I get it.

Einstein worked out his theories by himself - he couldn't count on others
to do his work for him....

I'll look for that fully 3D interactive orbital software that'll do 5
body solutions on the fly, so to speak. Got any recommendations?

Yep - personally, I'm very fond of Steve Moshiers de118i software. It's
free and the source code is available too. You can find it he

http://www.moshier.net/ssystem.html

I've used it myself for almost 2 decades now, and it works really fine.
It's fully 3D as you request (btw any decent orbit simulator *must* be
"fully 3D", since orbits are "fully 3D" - i.e. a simulator which is only
"2D" or "partial 3D" (whatever that means) won't be able to accurately
simulate real "fully 3D" orbits). It can integrate an arbitrary
number of bodies - the constraints are set by the resources of your
computer and, in case you'd want to integrate hundreds of bodies at the
same time, also your patience. It comes with initial parameters for 13
bodies in our solar system: the Sun, the planets, our Moon, Pluto, and Ceres,
but you can easily modify the number of bodies and the initial parameters
of each body to suite your own needs.

However, it comes as C source which you must compile and run yourself.
And you must edit the code too if you want to use initial parameters
different from the supplied ones. Dunno how much of an obstacle this is
to you, but if you know at least some basics of software development, and
if you can handle a C compiler, you should find de118i a very useful tool.
It produces very accurate results. If you lack the needed skills, it
shouldn't be too hard to learn them, if you're seriously interested.

And, yes, it runs fine off your laptop too. Integrating just 5 bodies
isn't much....

Good luck!

Can you suggest any other off-world source of stellar energy that has
a period of roughly 105,000 years?

I'm not aware of any such source with such a precise period. The best
you could hope for is a few nova explosions in the solar vicinity which
just happened to occur with that period.

But would they be "slow novas" and happen over and over? (I don't
think so)

How many cycles do you require? Two? Three? A dozen? Hundreds?

Of course nova explosions which by random chance happened at seemingly
regular times in the past are extremely unlikely to repeat in the future.
But just stay calm - if this is the process, you won't live 105,000
years in the future to see it fail then.... :-)

How about Sirius B going slow-nova every 105,000 years (more
frequently in the past)?

That's not a known stellar mechanism.

I tend to agree.


Certainly our sun is not what's from time to time going postal on us,
is it?

It's much more likely than Sirius B doing the same thing, since a much
smaller variation in the solar output would be required to have any effect
on the Earth.

Thus far, no such stellar physics can support that analogy, unless the
sun was being systematically impacted by at least a Jupiter mass every
105,000 years.

.....and how did you arrive at "by at least a Jupiter mass" ???? And
why do you so causally dismiss the possibility of internal processes
within the Sun? Do you already know completely how the Sun works? g


A much closer orbit of our moon could certainly have an impact, going
from 2e20 N to the half distance becoming worth 8e20 N. Now that
would certainly be weird and unlikely.

~ BG

One thing you seem to completely neglect is internal mechanisms in the
Earth and its atmosphere. Changes in the atmospheric circulation with
approximately this period? Huge volcanic eruptions which happened to
occur at these times? Or perhaps changes in the orbital parameters
of the Earth - i.e. Milankovic cycles ???

That's not exactly true, as I've many times questioned where the 2e20
N/sec of tidal force from Selene is going, and what is it doing to our
98.5% fluid Earth. Do you know?

It's slowly slowing down the rotation of our Earth, and at the same time
moving the Moon further out in its orbit. Eventually, a balance will be
reched where the Earth's day and the lunar month will have the same length,
at some 40 of our present Earth days. Then the Earth and the Moon will be
tidally locked to one another, and neither the day nor the month will
then get any longer. However, this will take some billion years, and
probably the Sun will become a red giant before that, possibly vaporizing
both the Earth and the Moon.

Btw I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't know this already.....


Do you happen to know of when and how Earth got its seasonal tilt?

A very long time ago - probably back when some large body passed very
near the Earth, ripping out a significant part of it which later
became our Moon. We're talking about several billion years into the
past. It could have happened fairly shortly after the Earth condensed
as a planet out from the primeval nebula of our solar system. And, no,
I cannot supply the precise year and date.... :-)


btw, +/- 10 w/m2 isn't likely as based upon solar performance alone,
especially by way of our passive sun that's hardly aging by any rate
that could possibly matter.

~ BG



But the Sun orbiting Sirius (or their common barycenter), or Sirius B
going nova every 105 kyears? ....no....No.....NO !!!!!!

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On Oct 25, 12:13 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,BradGut h wrote:
On Oct 24, 2:14 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article =
.com,

BradGuth wrote:

......................



Thanks once again. I'm sure that it's pointless to claim what seems
obvious and most likely the long term cycle of terrestrial ice and
thaw. Obviously you have a better answer that you're keeping as a
secret, just for the fun of it.

What about considering multiple hydrogen shell flashover (aka slow
nova) events from Sirius B? (?one every 105,000 years?)

Should I take that as an acceptance on your part that the Sun and
Sirius does not orbit some common barycenter ?????

I would not go that far. After all, everything of this universe and
of its known galaxies is in orbit around something. Black holes and
dark stuff seems to be just about everywhere, with more and more brown
dwarfs and perhaps black dwarfs to come as our ability to detect and
measure improves.

If you include also hyperbolical trajectories in your definition of
"orbit" you're of course right. And in that sense, the Sun is in
a strongly hyperbolic orbit relative to Sirius (or, more correctly,
to their common barycentre) - but this hyperbola is strongly perturbed
by other nearby stars.

I can=92t argue against that analogy.

However, you claimed there was a period of 105,000 years involved.
If you want to claim that the period has this value - or any other
value - then hyperbolic orbits are excluded since they are non-periodic,
i.e. they have an infinite "period".

Then perhaps it would not damage a public owned supercomputer to run
off a few million simulations, along with a few fudge factors here and
there, just to be certain.

Why do you insist on doing this on a "public owned supercomputer"???
Why not instead use e.g. your laptop for these simulations? Today's
laptops are very capable machines, and your "few million simulations"
could be done within a few hours or a day on an average modern laptop.

So stop asking for supercomputer time - code the simulation yourself on
your laptop first!!! The only reason you have to ask for supercomputer
time (and complain when you don't get it) is to avoid doing the work
yourself! CPU power is no longer the scarce resource it once was.
Today CPU power is ubiquitous - that's why people are asked to donate
CPU time from their private computers in projects like seti@home. But
most CPU power of today is used in idle cycles, or to draw pretty images
on people's computer screens. You cna use your own CPU power differently
if you want - for instance by running those simulations you're asking
for. What are you waiting for? Go ahead !!!

Can you suggest any other off-world source of stellar energy that has
a period of roughly 105,000 years?

I'm not aware of any such source with such a precise period. The best
you could hope for is a few nova explosions in the solar vicinity which
just happened to occur with that period.

How about Sirius B going slow-nova every 105,000 years (more
frequently in the past)?

That's not a known stellar mechanism.

Certainly our sun is not what's from time to time going postal on us,
is it?

It's much more likely than Sirius B doing the same thing, since a much
smaller variation in the solar output would be required to have any effect
on the Earth.

A much closer orbit of our moon could certainly have an impact, going
from 2e20 N to the half distance becoming worth 8e20 N. Now that
would certainly be weird and unlikely.

~ BG

One thing you seem to completely neglect is internal mechanisms in the
Earth and its atmosphere. Changes in the atmospheric circulation with
approximately this period? Huge volcanic eruptions which happened to
occur at these times? Or perhaps changes in the orbital parameters
of the Earth - i.e. Milankovic cycles ???

But the Sun orbiting Sirius (or their common barycenter), or Sirius B
going nova every 105 kyears? ....no....No.....NO !!!!!!

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e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

By the way, do any of those 5+ body interactive 3D orbital software
packages for the PC include factors of electrostatic and magnetic
attraction, and always true to life albedo and otherwise properly
depict the starshine and its spectrum?

~ BG

On Oct 24, 4:34 pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 24, 2:14 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:



In article ,

BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 23, 9:15 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,
There you go again. I've never insisted that our solar system is in
orbit of Sirius.

What's wrong with our orbiting a barycenter?

Our speed relative to Sirius still exceeds the escape velocity.....

Elliptical, say 10:1?

Not a mere 10:1 but infinity:1 i.e. a parabola. Escape velocity means
just that: the velocity exceeds the parabolic orbital velocity. If
you want the body to remain in an elliptical orbit, no matter how large
the eccentricity of the ellipse is (although it must of course be less
than one), the velocity must still be lower than the escape velocity.

Perhaps it is yourself that needs a reality check of your reading
comprehension skills.

You only need paper
and pencil, a pocket calculator, and some knowledge of fundamental
celestial mechanics to figure out why it cannot be so, given the
actual observations we have of the stars near our Sun. If you
lack the knowledge, I recommend this book as a good introduction
to the subject: http://www.willbell.com/math/mc7.htm
It seems to be out of print now, however used copies can still be
obtained at Amazon.com

Good luck!

Thanks once again. I'm sure that it's pointless to claim what seems
obvious and most likely the long term cycle of terrestrial ice and
thaw. Obviously you have a better answer that you're keeping as a
secret, just for the fun of it.

What about considering multiple hydrogen shell flashover (aka slow
nova) events from Sirius B? (?one every 105,000 years?)

Should I take that as an acceptance on your part that the Sun and
Sirius does not orbit some common barycenter ?????

I would not go that far. After all, everything of this universe and
of its known galaxies is in orbit around something. Black holes and
dark stuff seems to be just about everywhere, with more and more brown
dwarfs and perhaps black dwarfs to come as our ability to detect and
measure improves.

If you include also hyperbolical trajectories in your definition of
"orbit" you're of course right. And in that sense, the Sun is in
a strongly hyperbolic orbit relative to Sirius (or, more correctly,
to their common barycentre) - but this hyperbola is strongly perturbed
by other nearby stars.

I can’t argue against that analogy.



However, you claimed there was a period of 105,000 years involved.
If you want to claim that the period has this value - or any other
value - then hyperbolic orbits are excluded since they are non-periodic,
i.e. they have an infinite "period".

Then perhaps it would not damage a public owned supercomputer to run
off a few million simulations, along with a few fudge factors here and
there, just to be certain.



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e-mail: pausch at stjarnhimlen dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

Can you suggest any other off-world source of stellar energy that has
a period of roughly 105,000 years?

How about Sirius B going slow-nova every 105,000 years (more
frequently in the past)?

Certainly our sun is not what's from time to time going postal on us,
is it?

A much closer orbit of our moon could certainly have an impact, going
from 2e20 N to the half distance becoming worth 8e20 N. Now that
would certainly be weird and unlikely.

~ BG

If you think you need time on one of the computers at one of the
supercomputer centers, all you have to do is ask. 100 GAU's are
regularly given to just about any US citizen who asks for the time. A
100 GAU is an awful lot of time particularly if you are willing to
take your time in off-peak hours. But then again Brad this isn't about
anything that is real, you just raised the issue so you could sound
like you know something when in point of fact you are just like
, completely clueless.

In article ,
BradGuth wrote:

By the way, do any of those 5+ body interactive 3D orbital software
packages for the PC include factors of electrostatic and magnetic
attraction, and always true to life albedo and otherwise properly
depict the starshine and its spectrum?

In almost all real orbits, those factors are quite negligible. Therefore
few if any orbital simulation software include them. They become important
only for extremely small "planets", such as dust particles in cometary
tails -- and if you want to investigate the tails of comets, only five
dust particles are far from enough.

Consider for instance the Sun and the Earth. The radiation pressure from
the Sun upon the Earth amounts to some 2.2E+9 Newtons - that's equivalent
to the weight of some 224 thousand tonnes at the Earth's surface. That
may seem to be a lot by human standards, but it's miniscule compared to
the gravity from the Sun upon the Earth, which amounts to some 3.6E+22
Newtons. Yep, that's some 1600000000000000 times stronger than the
radiation pressure from the Sun. In fact, the radiation pressure from
the Sun upon the Earth is so small that its influence upon the Earth's
orbital motion is undetectable even by our best techniques today - and it
will remain undetectable for quite some time to come.

You're also asking about electromagnetic forces between the Sun and
the planets. They too are negligibly small when considering the
orbital motions of the planets. They certainly do affect the very thin
gases and plasmas out in space, sometimes giving us e.g. beautiful
auroral displays. But they don't affect the Earth's orbital motion in
any noticeable way.

So the orbital software does not include radiation pressure or
electromagnetic forces, for a very good reason: these forces are
negligibly small in our solar system.

However, since the source code for the DE118i software is available,
you're free to modify it to include these forces, if you think the
effort would be worthwhile.

Again, I wish you good luck.... and I sincerely do hope that you
start working on your simulations now, instead of just inventing new
evasive comments all the time....




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In article ,
wrote:

If you think you need time on one of the computers at one of the
supercomputer centers, all you have to do is ask. 100 GAU's are
regularly given to just about any US citizen who asks for the time. A
100 GAU is an awful lot of time particularly if you are willing to
take your time in off-peak hours. But then again Brad this isn't about
anything that is real, you just raised the issue so you could sound
like you know something when in point of fact you are just like
, completely clueless.

Well, if Brad would ask for, and get, some supercomputer time, he'd
immediately face a hard problem: what should he do with that
supercomputer time? Running his simulations on his laptop first would
give him the experience to be able to sensibly answer such a question.

Of course you're quite right that Brad is clueless here -- the fact
that he immediately wants supercomputer time without first knowing
what to do with it just confirms that...

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"William R. Mattil" wrote in message
...
wrote:


"Doing terrific" when they, on average, are selling only a few units
per month. Are you for real?? The glass guy for RC Optical is begging
for work supplying anyone who asks including RC Optical's competition.


Right .... lol you'd be much better off getting your facts straight. For
example .... RCOS doesn't offer any RC's with Pyrex Optics. And the so
called competition that you refer to, only offers Pyrex and plus extremely
limited sizes too.

Better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and
remove all doubt.


Bill

WOW!!!

I'm IMPRESSED!!!

Not aimed at you, Bill, just a handy place to pin the tail on... Heheheh!!!

This thread is just like SAA in days of yore!!!

Even back in the NANCY era!!!!

Again, WOW!!!

HEHEHEH!!!

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On Oct 26, 3:45 am, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,

BradGuth wrote:
So stop asking for supercomputer time - code the simulation yourself on
your laptop first!!! The only reason you have to ask for supercomputer
time (and complain when you don't get it) is to avoid doing the work
yourself! CPU power is no longer the scarce resource it once was.
Today CPU power is ubiquitous - that's why people are asked to donate
CPU time from their private computers in projects like seti@home. But
most CPU power of today is used in idle cycles, or to draw pretty images
on people's computer screens. You cna use your own CPU power differently
if you want - for instance by running those simulations you're asking
for. What are you waiting for? Go ahead !!!

In other Paul Schlyter words, whatever you do, no matters what never
help Einstein or anyone else. Now I get it.

Einstein worked out his theories by himself - he couldn't count on others
to do his work for him....

I'll look for that fully 3D interactive orbital software that'll do 5
body solutions on the fly, so to speak. Got any recommendations?

Yep - personally, I'm very fond of Steve Moshiers de118i software. It's
free and the source code is available too. You can find it he

http://www.moshier.net/ssystem.html

I've used it myself for almost 2 decades now, and it works really fine.
It's fully 3D as you request (btw any decent orbit simulator *must* be
"fully 3D", since orbits are "fully 3D" - i.e. a simulator which is only
"2D" or "partial 3D" (whatever that means) won't be able to accurately
simulate real "fully 3D" orbits). It can integrate an arbitrary
number of bodies - the constraints are set by the resources of your
computer and, in case you'd want to integrate hundreds of bodies at the
same time, also your patience. It comes with initial parameters for 13
bodies in our solar system: the Sun, the planets, our Moon, Pluto, and Ceres,
but you can easily modify the number of bodies and the initial parameters
of each body to suite your own needs.

However, it comes as C source which you must compile and run yourself.
And you must edit the code too if you want to use initial parameters
different from the supplied ones. Dunno how much of an obstacle this is
to you, but if you know at least some basics of software development, and
if you can handle a C compiler, you should find de118i a very useful tool.
It produces very accurate results. If you lack the needed skills, it
shouldn't be too hard to learn them, if you're seriously interested.

And, yes, it runs fine off your laptop too. Integrating just 5 bodies
isn't much....

Good luck!

Thanks much. At first glance it seems limited, but I'll see what I
can make of it.


Can you suggest any other off-world source of stellar energy that has
a period of roughly 105,000 years?

I'm not aware of any such source with such a precise period. The best
you could hope for is a few nova explosions in the solar vicinity which
just happened to occur with that period.

But would they be "slow novas" and happen over and over? (I don't
think so)

How many cycles do you require? Two? Three? A dozen? Hundreds?

At least dozens, that'll go right along with our ice-age and
subsequent thaw cycles. Should have been easy for a star like Sirius
B (just kidding).


Of course nova explosions which by random chance happened at seemingly
regular times in the past are extremely unlikely to repeat in the future.
But just stay calm - if this is the process, you won't live 105,000
years in the future to see it fail then.... :-)



How about Sirius B going slow-nova every 105,000 years (more
frequently in the past)?

That's not a known stellar mechanism.

I tend to agree.

Certainly our sun is not what's from time to time going postal on us,
is it?

It's much more likely than Sirius B doing the same thing, since a much
smaller variation in the solar output would be required to have any effect
on the Earth.

Thus far, no such stellar physics can support that analogy, unless the
sun was being systematically impacted by at least a Jupiter mass every
105,000 years.

....and how did you arrive at "by at least a Jupiter mass" ???? And
why do you so causally dismiss the possibility of internal processes
within the Sun? Do you already know completely how the Sun works? g

You know as much as the next thousand know about our sun. What amount
of added mass as star fuel would it take for a sustained 1% average
solar boost (say 50,000 years worth)?

btw, diatoms need loads of sustained UV energy (the Sirius A/B kind of
UV spectrum would have done nicely)


A much closer orbit of our moon could certainly have an impact, going
from 2e20 N to the half distance becoming worth 8e20 N. Now that
would certainly be weird and unlikely.

~ BG

One thing you seem to completely neglect is internal mechanisms in the
Earth and its atmosphere. Changes in the atmospheric circulation with
approximately this period? Huge volcanic eruptions which happened to
occur at these times? Or perhaps changes in the orbital parameters
of the Earth - i.e. Milankovic cycles ???

That's not exactly true, as I've many times questioned where the 2e20
N/sec of tidal force from Selene is going, and what is it doing to our
98.5% fluid Earth. Do you know?

It's slowly slowing down the rotation of our Earth, and at the same time
moving the Moon further out in its orbit. Eventually, a balance will be
reched where the Earth's day and the lunar month will have the same length,
at some 40 of our present Earth days. Then the Earth and the Moon will be
tidally locked to one another, and neither the day nor the month will
then get any longer. However, this will take some billion years, and
probably the Sun will become a red giant before that, possibly vaporizing
both the Earth and the Moon.

Btw I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't know this already.....

I'm not nearly as all-knowing as yourself, but then I don't believe
90% of what our government or their faith-based puppet-masters have to
say. How many lies upon lies has your government and faith-based
partners perpetrated?

What I do know is that 2e20 N/sec is a lot of tidal radius binding
force that's keeping our Selene/moon associated with Earth, as it's
continually distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm, not to mention
rather nicely motivating everything within our crust.


Do you happen to know of when and how Earth got its seasonal tilt?

A very long time ago - probably back when some large body passed very
near the Earth, ripping out a significant part of it which later
became our Moon. We're talking about several billion years into the
past. It could have happened fairly shortly after the Earth condensed
as a planet out from the primeval nebula of our solar system. And, no,
I cannot supply the precise year and date.... :-)

I like to think of 12,500 years as a good enough lithobraking
encounter with an icy Selene. Before then just NEA encounters of an
icy Selene every so often.


btw, +/- 10 w/m2 isn't likely as based upon solar performance alone,
especially by way of our passive sun that's hardly aging by any rate
that could possibly matter.

~ BG

But the Sun orbiting Sirius (or their common barycenter), or Sirius B
going nova every 105 kyears? ....no....No.....NO !!!!!!

You're just no fun at all.


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~ BG

In article ,
BradGuth wrote:

And, yes, it runs fine off your laptop too. Integrating just 5 bodies
isn't much....

Good luck!

Thanks much. At first glance it seems limited, but I'll see what I
can make of it.

ALL software is limited! If you want to claim the opposite, please
point me to a piece of truly unlimited software... evil grin

How many cycles do you require? Two? Three? A dozen? Hundreds?

At least dozens, that'll go right along with our ice-age and
subsequent thaw cycles. Should have been easy for a star like Sirius
B (just kidding).

So how many cycles of ice ages occuring at precisely 105,000 year
intervals are you able to detect? g

Thus far, no such stellar physics can support that analogy, unless the
sun was being systematically impacted by at least a Jupiter mass every
105,000 years.

....and how did you arrive at "by at least a Jupiter mass" ???? And
why do you so causally dismiss the possibility of internal processes
within the Sun? Do you already know completely how the Sun works? g

You know as much as the next thousand know about our sun. What amount
of added mass as star fuel would it take for a sustained 1% average
solar boost (say 50,000 years worth)?

I see ... your oversimplified stellar models... :-) ....well, 50,000
years isn't "sustained" but quite temporary in the life cycle of a solar
like star. 50,000 years in the life of the Sun corresponds to a few
hours in the lifetime of a human....


A much closer orbit of our moon could certainly have an impact, going
from 2e20 N to the half distance becoming worth 8e20 N. Now that
would certainly be weird and unlikely.

~ BG

One thing you seem to completely neglect is internal mechanisms in the
Earth and its atmosphere. Changes in the atmospheric circulation with
approximately this period? Huge volcanic eruptions which happened to
occur at these times? Or perhaps changes in the orbital parameters
of the Earth - i.e. Milankovic cycles ???

That's not exactly true, as I've many times questioned where the 2e20
N/sec of tidal force from Selene is going, and what is it doing to our
98.5% fluid Earth. Do you know?

It's slowly slowing down the rotation of our Earth, and at the same time
moving the Moon further out in its orbit. Eventually, a balance will be
reched where the Earth's day and the lunar month will have the same length,
at some 40 of our present Earth days. Then the Earth and the Moon will be
tidally locked to one another, and neither the day nor the month will
then get any longer. However, this will take some billion years, and
probably the Sun will become a red giant before that, possibly vaporizing
both the Earth and the Moon.

Btw I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't know this already.....

I'm not nearly as all-knowing as yourself,

One need not be all-knowing" to know that! It belongs to be basics of
solar system dynamics....

but then I don't believe
90% of what our government or their faith-based puppet-masters have to
say. How many lies upon lies has your government and faith-based
partners perpetrated?

So far I've obtained no astronomical info at all from any government.
Are you a paranoic conspiracy theorist, or what?


What I do know is that 2e20 N/sec is a lot of tidal radius binding
force that's keeping our Selene/moon associated with Earth, as it's
continually distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm,

Did you learn that from the "lies by your government"? evil grin

not to mention rather nicely motivating everything within our crust.

Make that "moving" rather than "motivating". Motivation requires
consciousness, so you cannot "motivate" dead matter....

But the Sun orbiting Sirius (or their common barycenter), or Sirius B
going nova every 105 kyears? ....no....No.....NO !!!!!!

You're just no fun at all.

For once, you're quite right! True, I'm not joking at all here, I'm
dead serious....

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On Oct 28, 12:44 pm, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
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BradGuth wrote:
And, yes, it runs fine off your laptop too. Integrating just 5 bodies
isn't much....

Good luck!

Thanks much. At first glance it seems limited, but I'll see what I
can make of it.

ALL software is limited! If you want to claim the opposite, please
point me to a piece of truly unlimited software... evil grin

That's why we need to tap into the public owned motherload of
supercomputers and their vast archive of public owned software...
devilish smirk


How many cycles do you require? Two? Three? A dozen? Hundreds?

At least dozens, that'll go right along with our ice-age and
subsequent thaw cycles. Should have been easy for a star like Sirius
B (just kidding).

So how many cycles of ice ages occuring at precisely 105,000 year
intervals are you able to detect? g

That's a matter of public/scientific record, that you have better
access to than most.


Thus far, no such stellar physics can support that analogy, unless the
sun was being systematically impacted by at least a Jupiter mass every
105,000 years.

....and how did you arrive at "by at least a Jupiter mass" ???? And
why do you so causally dismiss the possibility of internal processes
within the Sun? Do you already know completely how the Sun works? g

You know as much as the next thousand know about our sun. What amount
of added mass as star fuel would it take for a sustained 1% average
solar boost (say 50,000 years worth)?

I see ... your oversimplified stellar models... :-) ....well, 50,000
years isn't "sustained" but quite temporary in the life cycle of a solar
like star. 50,000 years in the life of the Sun corresponds to a few
hours in the lifetime of a human....

I agree, but perhaps we need to start somewhere. 50,000 years worth
of getting us hotter and 50,000 years of getting us cooler, should be
a physics piece of cake.


A much closer orbit of our moon could certainly have an impact, going
from 2e20 N to the half distance becoming worth 8e20 N. Now that
would certainly be weird and unlikely.

~ BG

One thing you seem to completely neglect is internal mechanisms in the
Earth and its atmosphere. Changes in the atmospheric circulation with
approximately this period? Huge volcanic eruptions which happened to
occur at these times? Or perhaps changes in the orbital parameters
of the Earth - i.e. Milankovic cycles ???

That's not exactly true, as I've many times questioned where the 2e20
N/sec of tidal force from Selene is going, and what is it doing to our
98.5% fluid Earth. Do you know?

It's slowly slowing down the rotation of our Earth, and at the same time
moving the Moon further out in its orbit. Eventually, a balance will be
reched where the Earth's day and the lunar month will have the same length,
at some 40 of our present Earth days. Then the Earth and the Moon will be
tidally locked to one another, and neither the day nor the month will
then get any longer. However, this will take some billion years, and
probably the Sun will become a red giant before that, possibly vaporizing
both the Earth and the Moon.

Btw I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't know this already.....

I'm not nearly as all-knowing as yourself,

One need not be all-knowing" to know that! It belongs to be basics of
solar system dynamics....

but then I don't believe
90% of what our government or their faith-based puppet-masters have to
say. How many lies upon lies has your government and faith-based
partners perpetrated?

So far I've obtained no astronomical info at all from any government.
Are you a paranoic conspiracy theorist, or what?

In our beloved nation of misinformed parrots, borgs and educated
mindless idiots, if it doesn't have the NASA stamp of approval on it,
it isn't worthy science.


What I do know is that 2e20 N/sec is a lot of tidal radius binding
force that's keeping our Selene/moon associated with Earth, as it's
continually distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm,

Did you learn that from the "lies by your government"? evil grin

Of course not. Our extremely evil grin government wouldn't dare
bother to inform the general public of what our Selene/moon has been
doing to us. Until I'd searched for such information, I too never
realized what was going on with having 7.35e22 kg orbiting so nearby.


not to mention rather nicely motivating everything within our crust.

Make that "moving" rather than "motivating". Motivation requires
consciousness, so you cannot "motivate" dead matter....

Point well taken, though exactly how inert or dead is the matter
within Earth? (not very)


But the Sun orbiting Sirius (or their common barycenter), or Sirius B
going nova every 105 kyears? ....no....No.....NO !!!!!!

You're just no fun at all.

For once, you're quite right! True, I'm not joking at all here, I'm
dead serious....

You should stop being so "dead serious", perhaps because it's making
your butt-crack way too tight. Once in a while you and most everyone
else of your mainstream status quo needs to brake wind, or else.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / Guth Usenet

On Oct 16, 2:03*am, Hank Kroll wrote:
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Whether man made global warming is true or not is immaterial in the
American context: It gives us enormous pleasure to know that the
largest abuser of dwindling energy reserves pays many times over for
every barrel. First it pays its despotic enemies over the top for the
oil knowing that the customer is not remotely respected. Then it pays
for a second time for the security measures to keep the oil reserves
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tiny stake in the fabulous wealth oil generates for the dictators. It
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services which would help its citizens live safe and comfortable
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money given them by America. It pays for an eighth time in the ill
health the oil causes in smog and pollution. It pays for a ninth time
in the despoiling of the seas by corrupt businesses carrying the oil
at least cost and highest profits by employing non-American sailors
and staff. It pays for a tenth time for the lack of timely investment
in alternative energy sources. It pays for the eleventh time reducing
global warming while still employing century old technologies. It pays
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in traffic jams despite the massive investment already made in roads.
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for a twentieth time in all the things it cannot afford to do because
it is sucking the planet dry of oil it can no longer pay for with
cash. Etc, etc, etc, etc.