Global Warming is about giving your government more regulatory powerand your eventual enslavment.

In article eYIJk.2020$%%2.1278@edtnps82,
Michael Tee wrote:

My book, COSMOLOGICAL ICE AGES explains how the carbon resources were
made. Our sun is in a 105,000-year elliptical orbit around the Procyon
and Sirius star systems.

The observed motions of Sirius and Procyon do not support any notion of
orbital relationship with our sun.

In addition, if the Sun was in such an orbit, the orbital period would

why do you idiots bother with such idiots?

Mostly to try to educate others who may read this and who may be unaware
of this. If the idiot loses his "market" of people who are willing
to believe in him, he may eventually go silent. Perhaps I'm an idiot
too when doing this - but I prefer that over becoming a cynic.

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:44:20 GMT, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:

Mostly to try to educate others who may read this and who may be unaware
of this.

Absolutely. When somebody posts something that's more or less on-topic
for this group, and it's factually wrong, a correction is in order.
Where it becomes crazy is when the original poster tries to maintain the
incorrect position- then you need to pull the plug on the argument in a
timely fashion.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

On Oct 16, 12:30*pm, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:44:20 GMT, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
Mostly to try to educate others who may read this and who may be unaware
of this.

Absolutely. When somebody posts something that's more or less on-topic
for this group, and it's factually wrong, a correction is in order.
Where it becomes crazy is when the original poster tries to maintain the
incorrect position- then you need to pull the plug on the argument in a
timely fashion.
_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

Natural, long-term cyclical global warming may indeed be occurring.
The notion, however, that it is caused primarily by man-made CO2--
which can be reversed by man--is unproven nonsense propagated by
greens with an agenda who refuse to debate their "science". The so-
called "hockey-stick" computer generated warming graph, for example,
is a fraud! GIGO!

Reminds me of the folks who were predicting "just around the corner"
$200/ barrel oil last summer--the "madness of crowds" is an impressive
thing to watch.

Millions are dying each year of malaria, for, example, that could be
eradicated with DDT ( as was done in the US with NO proven adverse
human side effects ). How about that for a cause? Or current
starvation in many countries?

On Oct 16, 11:05*pm, "
wrote:

Natural, long-term cyclical global warming may indeed be occurring.
The notion, however, that it is caused primarily by man-made CO2--
which can be reversed by man--is unproven nonsense propagated by
greens with an agenda who refuse to debate their "science". The so-
called "hockey-stick" computer generated warming graph, for example,
is a fraud! GIGO!

Reminds me of the folks who were predicting "just around the corner"
$200/ barrel oil last summer--the "madness of crowds" is an impressive
thing to watch.

Millions are dying each year of malaria, for, example, that could be
eradicated with DDT ( as was done in the US with NO proven adverse
human side effects ). How about that for a cause? Or current
starvation in many countries?

It is fortunate for your argument that there is little political will
to change past and present behaviours. So the proof of man's
involvement in global warming is literally just around the corner. No
country has matched its promises on cutting back on their CO2 release.
Most have increased their CO2 dramatically. The Arctic is already
setting records for summer ice loss which is not being replaced in the
winters. There is hardly a glacier anywhere on the globe which has not
lost the will to live. Extreme weather is already a regular phenomenon
around the world. The global bread baskets are turning to saline dust.
Even an optimist, like yourself, must recognise we are close to the
tipping point. Will the North resist the pressures for completely open
borders to save billions from starvation and extreme heat with
consequent desertification only to have nothing to offer in the way of
food, housing, health care and social security?. Around 1/6th of the
world's population is already hungry. A similar number live in mega-
slums with no land to grow their own food. Following present trends
It is going to get very ugly indeed within as little as 10-15 years.
Perhaps you should pray for a painless pandemic?

On Oct 16, 5:35*pm, "Chris.B" wrote:
On Oct 16, 11:05*pm, "
wrote:





Natural, long-term cyclical global warming may indeed be occurring.
The notion, however, that it is caused primarily by man-made CO2--
which can be reversed by man--is unproven nonsense propagated by
greens with an agenda who refuse to debate their "science". The so-
called "hockey-stick" computer generated warming graph, for example,
is a fraud! GIGO!

Reminds me of the folks who were predicting "just around the corner"
$200/ barrel oil last summer--the "madness of crowds" is an impressive
thing to watch.

Millions are dying each year of malaria, for, example, that could be
eradicated with DDT ( as was done in the US with NO proven adverse
human side effects ). How about that for a cause? Or current
starvation in many countries?

It is fortunate for your argument that there is little political will
to change past and present behaviours. So the proof of man's
involvement in global warming is literally just around the corner. No
country has matched its promises on cutting back on their CO2 release.
Most have increased their CO2 dramatically. The Arctic is already
setting records for summer ice loss which is not being replaced in the
winters. There is hardly a glacier anywhere on the globe which has not
lost the will to live. Extreme weather is already a regular phenomenon
around the world. The global bread baskets are turning to saline dust.
Even an optimist, like yourself, *must recognise we are close to the
tipping point. Will the North resist the pressures for completely open
borders to save billions from starvation and extreme heat with
consequent desertification only to have nothing to offer in the way of
food, housing, health care and social security?. Around 1/6th of the
world's population is already hungry. A similar number live in mega-
slums with no land to grow their own food. *Following present trends
It is going to get very ugly indeed within as little as 10-15 years.
Perhaps you should pray for a painless pandemic?

Mindless response.

I didn't say no global warming--I said NO proof man generated CO2 is
the primary cause.

Mass starvation? BS. The temperate climate regions best suited for
crops will simply move North to Canada and Siberia.

Not very familiar with history of previous recorded warming cycles are
you?

On Oct 17, 7:44 am, "
wrote:

Mass starvation? BS. The temperate climate regions best suited for
crops will simply move North to Canada and Siberia.

Not very familiar with the fact that the world is divided into lots of
little nation states, with their own immigration policies, are you?
Sure, the U.S. would be able to feed itself by importing food from
Canada, but lots of people in small poor countries in the tropics are
likely to starve when the rich countries have enough trouble taking
care of themselves.

John Savard

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote:

Sure, the U.S. would be able to feed itself by importing food from
Canada...

That's expensive. In the end, the easiest solution might just be to
invade Canada. Who would stop us? Just another minor adjustment in
borders. History is full of them.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

In article ,
Quadibloc wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, "
wrote:

Mass starvation? BS. The temperate climate regions best suited for
crops will simply move North to Canada and Siberia.

But there's bugger-all good soil in those parts of Canada and Siberia,
since it's been scraped off the bedrock by glaciers and redeposited in
what are currently the prime agricultural areas further south.

Tom

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:05:36 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Natural, long-term cyclical global warming may indeed be occurring.
The notion, however, that it is caused primarily by man-made CO2--
which can be reversed by man--is unproven nonsense propagated by
greens with an agenda who refuse to debate their "science"...

Similarly, when somebody other than the OP steps in with factually
incorrect information, which he'll defend in the face of clear and
obvious evidence to the contrary, you also need to pull the plug...
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

On Oct 16, 9:31*pm, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:05:36 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
Natural, long-term cyclical global warming may indeed be occurring.
The notion, however, that it is caused primarily by man-made CO2--
which can be reversed by man--is unproven nonsense propagated by
greens with an agenda who refuse to debate their "science"...

Similarly, when somebody other than the OP steps in with factually
incorrect information, which he'll defend in the face of clear and
obvious evidence to the contrary, you also need to pull the plug...
_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

This from the nutcase who is here on record as saying that, in his
esteemed opinion, bird life is more valuable than human life. But they
are mostly Black Africans so they don't count, right?

Do you have any clue, for example, how many birds the massive wind
turbine farms called for by the Greens would kill? What the downwind
weather effectof removing all that energy from prevailing winds might
be? Ever heard of the butterfly effect? Have any clue what Newton says
about conservation of energy?

Folks like Al Gore and Boone Pickens are getting rich off of
simpletons like you--laughing all the way to the bank--with their huge
"carbon footprints".

Pathetic.

Another emotional, Luddite.