STEPHEN HAWKING AND EUROPEAN TAXPAYERS

Pentcho Valev wrote in message

When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

On Sep 25, 5:11*pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel what are you talking about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rticle.physics
Stephen Hawking: "Indeed, some theories of spacetime suggest the
particle collisions might create mini black holes. If that happened, I
have proposed that these black holes would radiate particles and
disappear. If we saw this at the LHC, it would open up a new area of
physics, and I might even win a Nobel prize."

Can you explain, Clever Moortel, how Master Hawking deduced "black
holes would radiate particles and disappear" from the second law of
thermodynamics?

Pentcho Valev

Pentcho Valev wrote in message

On Sep 25, 5:11 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel what are you talking about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rticle.physics
Stephen Hawking: "Indeed, some theories of spacetime suggest the
particle collisions might create mini black holes. If that happened, I
have proposed that these black holes would radiate particles and
disappear. If we saw this at the LHC, it would open up a new area of
physics, and I might even win a Nobel prize."

Can you explain, Clever Moortel, how Master Hawking deduced "black
holes would radiate particles and disappear" from the second law of
thermodynamics?

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

On Sep 25, 5:30*pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:11 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel what are you talking about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rticle.physics
Stephen Hawking: "Indeed, some theories of spacetime suggest the
particle collisions might create mini black holes. If that happened, I
have proposed that these black holes would radiate particles and
disappear. If we saw this at the LHC, it would open up a new area of
physics, and I might even win a Nobel prize."

Can you explain, Clever Moortel, how Master Hawking deduced "black
holes would radiate particles and disappear" from the second law of
thermodynamics?

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel perhaps you are so enigmatic because, on the one hand,
you are not happy with Master Hawking's substantial contribution to
the financial crisis but, on the other, you should obey The
Fundamental Principle of Einstein Criminal Cult:

ZOMBIE DESTROY MASTER NEVER
ZOMBIE DESTROY ENEMY OF MASTER ALWAYS

Let me test this:

Master Hawking: The Michelson-Morley experiment REFUTES Laplace's and
Michell's (and Einstein's!) idea that the speed of light varies with
position in a gravitational field:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/dice.html
Stephen Hawking: "Interestingly enough, Laplace himself wrote a paper
in 1799 on how some stars could have a gravitational field so strong
that light could not escape, but would be dragged back onto the star.
He even calculated that a star of the same density as the Sun, but two
hundred and fifty times the size, would have this property. But
although Laplace may not have realised it, the same idea had been put
forward 16 years earlier by a Cambridge man, John Mitchell, in a paper
in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Both Mitchell
and Laplace thought of light as consisting of particles, rather like
cannon balls, that could be slowed down by gravity, and made to fall
back on the star. But a famous experiment, carried out by two
Americans, Michelson and Morley in 1887, showed that light always
travelled at a speed of one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a
second, no matter where it came from.How then could gravity slow down
light, and make it fall back."

P. Valev, enemy of Master: The Michelson-Morley experiment CONFIRMS
Laplace's and Michell's (and Einstein's!) idea that the speed of light
varies with position in a gravitational field.

Who is wrong, Clever Moortel: Master or enemy of Master?

Pentcho Valev

Pentcho Valev wrote in message

On Sep 25, 5:30 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:11 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel what are you talking about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rticle.physics
Stephen Hawking: "Indeed, some theories of spacetime suggest the
particle collisions might create mini black holes. If that happened, I
have proposed that these black holes would radiate particles and
disappear. If we saw this at the LHC, it would open up a new area of
physics, and I might even win a Nobel prize."

Can you explain, Clever Moortel, how Master Hawking deduced "black
holes would radiate particles and disappear" from the second law of
thermodynamics?

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel perhaps you are so enigmatic because, on the one hand,

And on the other hand, there is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

On Sep 26, 2:51*pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:30 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:11 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel what are you talking about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rticle.physics
Stephen Hawking: "Indeed, some theories of spacetime suggest the
particle collisions might create mini black holes. If that happened, I
have proposed that these black holes would radiate particles and
disappear. If we saw this at the LHC, it would open up a new area of
physics, and I might even win a Nobel prize."

Can you explain, Clever Moortel, how Master Hawking deduced "black
holes would radiate particles and disappear" from the second law of
thermodynamics?

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel perhaps you are so enigmatic because, on the one hand,

And on the other hand, there is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

But, Clever Moortel, it is not just the mathematical tricks of Master
Stephen Hawking and Master Sir Roger Penrose. It is also 9 billion
wasted so far, more billions to be wasted in the future and perfect
rap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

Such a waste, such a musical science, and not a single Nobel prize?
Don't be naive Clever Moortel!

Pentcho Valev

Pentcho Valev wrote in message

On Sep 26, 2:51 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:30 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:11 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel what are you talking about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rticle.physics
Stephen Hawking: "Indeed, some theories of spacetime suggest the
particle collisions might create mini black holes. If that happened, I
have proposed that these black holes would radiate particles and
disappear. If we saw this at the LHC, it would open up a new area of
physics, and I might even win a Nobel prize."

Can you explain, Clever Moortel, how Master Hawking deduced "black
holes would radiate particles and disappear" from the second law of
thermodynamics?

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Clever Moortel perhaps you are so enigmatic because, on the one hand,

And on the other hand, there is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

But, Clever Moortel, it is not just the mathematical tricks of Master
Stephen Hawking and Master Sir Roger Penrose.

Hakwing and Penrose are mathematicians, and no, there is no
Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

On Sep 25, 10:11*am, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote in message

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When European taxpayers realized that, in order for Stephen Hawking to
get the Nobel prize,

There is no Nobel prize for mathematics.

Dirk Vdm

Quite right Dirk, the Nobel categories being Peace, Literature,
Medicine (including Physiology), Physics, and Economics.

I believe (but am not totally sure) that the categories were specified
in Alfred Nobel's Will, and cannot be amended or extended. A photo-
copy of that Will appears on pages 24-25 of Peter Wilhelm's classic
book, "The Nobel Prize". The text is written in longhand script in
Swedish, so for me this presents somewhat of a problem because of my
ignorance in the Swedish Language. :-) [If someone could point me
some credible link containing an English or German translation, I
would be immensely grateful.

In passing, I note that in the border next to the photo-copy of the
Will, Peter Wilhelm made these comments:

"Exactly as Nobel had wished, the prizes for physics and chemistry are
awarded by the Swedish Academy of Sciences. The prize in Medicine is
awarded by the Karolinska Institute and the prize for Literature by
the Swedish Academy. The last prize -- the Peace Prize -- is awarded
via the Norwegian Parliament which perhaps sounds a little strange, as
the other instituations are all Swedish. The reason is quite simply
that during Nobel's time the two countries were united."

Quite honestly, I hadn't know this priot to reading this beautiful
book little book which I wish that everyone having an interest in the
basics sciences and medicine could own, published in Stockholm in
1983. I have to confess, I don't really understand why I was sent a
copy which was received on the week before Christmas in 1983. Perhaps
the result of my requesting information on telephone and carrier
equipment from the LM Ericsson firm in Stockholm, or my friendship
with a young couple that I met why working at what then was the RCA
Laboratories Division. His name was Sigurd Bragnum and his friend
(who was also from Stockholm and whose name 50 years later I sadly
don't recall -- Sigmunda?). [From old memory, I believe that Sigurd
had once told me that his father was a physician who operated a
hospital in Stockholm.

All I know is that one day, shortly before Christmas, this book
arrived in my mailbox. It had an accompanying not, which is still
have, personally signed by a gentleman who personally signed the
letter as Hakan Ledin. It strangely arrived with the letterhead of
the accompanying letterhead roughly torn off, but becasue of the
accompanying note, I believe it was an LM Ericsson letterhead. What
remained was:

Hakan Ledin,
Executive Vice President,
Telefonaktiebolaget -- LM Ericsson
5-128 25 Stockholm - Sweden

I have for years puzzled about why someone sent me this book, and
why? Realizing that this newsgroup is propagated into Europe
(including Sweden), so should anyone has an answer please email me at
(my real email address).

With respect to the idiotic posts that now reduce the signal to noise
ratio on sci.physics, I'm not sure what motivates these folks to
expend so much energy pontificating on their crackpot ideas. I really
don't care, since the crackpottery is easily separated from real posts
on physics, and it it gives these posters a harmless outlet for their
frustrations, they are easily ignored.

Dirk, after 10-20 years, crackpotter is usually indicated on the
subject line, and then sometimes we take a look at the thread and see
who the posters are. This is why I responded to your post, and not
the post of the OP.

This type of filter works very well.

Harry C.