Russian "Altairski" Lunar lander

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:


Let's see, what have the Russians done? Killed a couple of crews and
floated around the Earth quite a few times.

Their interplanetary science program is tiny compared to what we've done.

Compared to the US, they really haven't done that much more and in many
ways have done a lot less.

And yet everyone holds them up as the paradigm of things done right.

Simply compare the number of manned flights for example.

The shuttle alone has flown more times than all Soviet and Russian manned
missions combined.

I have great respect for what the Russians have done, especially on a budget
much smaller than NASA's. But they shared very little of that experience
until the US made overtures to them to include Russia in the ISS. The US
is sharing what we learn with the world, rather than shrouding it in
secrecy.

Mike Ross

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:41:36 -0500,
wrote:

The US
is sharing what we learn with the world, rather than shrouding it in
secrecy.

Except, alas, global warming data, airline pilots complaints, and why
DART failed. But your point is still a valid one.

US: What caused the Columbia accident? We ignored a dangerous problem
of foam liberation and RCC vulnerabilty and our program managers
thought they knew better than their engineers, and so did nothing when
a dangerous impact was noticed.

Russia: What caused the Soyuz ballistic entry? There was a woman
onboard. It was all her fault.

Brian

wrote:
I have great respect for what the Russians have done, especially on a budget
much smaller than NASA's. But they shared very little of that experience
until the US made overtures to them to include Russia in the ISS. The US
is sharing what we learn with the world, rather than shrouding it in
secrecy.

The Soviets released a lot of science data from their Moon and planetary
missions...at least the ones that worked right.

Pat

On Jul 26, 4:41*am, wrote:
Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:



Let's see, what have the Russians done? *Killed a couple of crews and
floated around the Earth quite a few times.

Their interplanetary science program is tiny compared to what we've done.

Compared to the US, they really haven't done that much more and in many
ways have done a lot less.

And yet everyone holds them up as the paradigm of things done right.

Simply compare the number of manned flights for example.

The shuttle alone has flown more times than all Soviet and Russian manned
missions combined.

I have great respect for what the Russians have done, especially on a budget
much smaller than NASA's. *But they shared very little of that experience
until the US made overtures to them to include Russia in the ISS. *The US
is sharing what we learn with the world, rather than shrouding it in
secrecy.

Mike Ross

Except those bits that are proprietary, those bits whose technology
has/may have or could be used for military purposes. Then dont forget
those bits that could be a danger or used against "us" in whatever
paranoid realm you can think of. Then of course there are those bits
that are strategic or leading edge but we dont want examined too
closely.

Other than that everything else is made available.

The russians on the other hand make everything available. You simply
have to know where to get it and understand that the native tongue of
Russia is Russian, so that the documents will also be in Russian.

I Know I Know, if it's not in english and printed in US format and
published by Nasa, it doesnt exist . Luckily, other nations dont have
to follow this fantasy.

wrote in message
...


Since googlegroups and express seem to not agree on quoting, I apologize for
top-posting.

Yes, there is definitely a lot of data that is classified (re-entry shapes
for nuclear warheads) but a lot is not.

On the other hand, the information that the Russians HAVE made public does
not have a great reputation for quality. It appears a lot of their
long-term stay efforts on Mir were to set records without great attention to
good science.

And that's what we know about. NASA has repeatedly complained about a dirth
of quality information on important stuff. I suggest you google James Oberg
to get some insight on this.


But NASA and others do not share your assessment with the quality or
quantity of data from the Russians.


On Jul 26, 4:41 am, wrote:
Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:



Let's see, what have the Russians done? Killed a couple of crews and
floated around the Earth quite a few times.

Their interplanetary science program is tiny compared to what we've
done.

Compared to the US, they really haven't done that much more and in many
ways have done a lot less.

And yet everyone holds them up as the paradigm of things done right.

Simply compare the number of manned flights for example.

The shuttle alone has flown more times than all Soviet and Russian
manned
missions combined.

I have great respect for what the Russians have done, especially on a
budget
much smaller than NASA's. But they shared very little of that experience
until the US made overtures to them to include Russia in the ISS. The US
is sharing what we learn with the world, rather than shrouding it in
secrecy.

Mike Ross

Except those bits that are proprietary, those bits whose technology
has/may have or could be used for military purposes. Then dont forget
those bits that could be a danger or used against "us" in whatever
paranoid realm you can think of. Then of course there are those bits
that are strategic or leading edge but we dont want examined too
closely.

Other than that everything else is made available.

The russians on the other hand make everything available. You simply
have to know where to get it and understand that the native tongue of
Russia is Russian, so that the documents will also be in Russian.

I Know I Know, if it's not in english and printed in US format and
published by Nasa, it doesnt exist . Luckily, other nations dont have
to follow this fantasy.



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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:45:34 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

Since googlegroups and express seem to not agree on quoting, I apologize for
top-posting.

....Just for that:

"...Aren't you dead?"

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