a god who creates A Fine-Tuned Universe-By Chance?

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Mike Painter wrote:

snex wrote:
On Jun 24, 4:29 pm, Lieken wrote:
John Polkinghorne, formerly a physicist at Cambridge University,
concluded: "When you realize that the laws of nature must be
incredibly finely tuned to produce the universe we see, that
conspires to plant the idea that the universe did not just happen,
but that there must be a purpose behind it."

when you realize that the nature of the god who would create such a
finely tined universe must be even moreso finely tined, that conspires
to plant the idea that this god did not just happen, but that there
must be a purpose behind him.

When 99.99999 (until you get tired of typing 9) percent of all the universe
has essentially zero probibility of supporting life, this god does not seem
to bright.
Clearly it flunked design school and stole the good stuff from the smart
guys.

You'd better not type more than 55 or so 9's, or else those
99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999
percent of the universe must also include most of the Earth - and then
your claim will contradict observations known to mankind..... ;-)

Btw you need to quantify your "essentially zero probibility"(sic)
better. You admit that the probability is slightly larger than zero.
But how much larger? Even if the probability of supporting life is
extremely small (by human standards) at any one place, life may have
occurred at many other places besides the Earth anyway, due to the
vast size of the universe.

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Paul Schlyter wrote:

You'd better not type more than 55 or so 9's, or else those

99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999
percent of the universe must also include most of the Earth - and then
your claim will contradict observations known to mankind..... ;-)

Btw you need to quantify your "essentially zero probibility"(sic)
better. You admit that the probability is slightly larger than zero.
But how much larger? Even if the probability of supporting life is
extremely small (by human standards) at any one place, life may have
occurred at many other places besides the Earth anyway, due to the
vast size of the universe.

A "finely tuned" item usually maximizes it's output.
A finely tuned production line will put out product at a high rate of speed
with minimim errors.
It does not produce something correct once in some tens of billions of
times.

A finely tuned universe designed to support life would do so much of the
time. I can make up as many reason why this is possible as anybody else.
The initial "design" could have allowed for modifications to gravity in
local regions that would produce star's just like ours with planets just
like ours 1 AU from the sun a generous 99% of the time. After all that's
simple compared to the rest.