100 times sharper than Hubble

"John Popelish" wrote in message
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harmony wrote:
"John Popelish" wrote in message
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I think he just explained to you how a heathen country might well be
more ethical that one based on Judeo-Christian principles. Go back and
read it again.

i know. the real question that bears answer is: would the americanism of
america persuade the people, who always seem to want to be on safe moral
grounds embraced in the bible, to abandon christanity because hubble will
surely blow the bubble with its everday photographs of bright bursting
stars etc and not a trace of the 2 trillions in tow of heavenly father
who is supposed to like like a man, for he is supposed to have a man's
image. what happens if the americans find greater morality in a heathen
culture under the hubble regime? let's stop hubble before it stops
america in tract.

I really cannot parse that. Perhaps your thoughts and your communication
would be clearer if you broke that into shorter, more independent
thoughts.

My only conclusion is that you fear change.
But change is the reality in this universe,
so, perhaps you fear reality.

at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. how will the republicans win elections when judeo-christian base
evaporates?

On Jun 13, 9:36 pm, "harmony" wrote:
"John Popelish" wrote in message
(snip)
My only conclusion is that you fear change.
But change is the reality in this universe,
so, perhaps you fear reality.

at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity.

All religions reach their end, eventually. Prayed to Zeus or Odin,
lately? People used to.

hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. how will the republicans win elections
when judeo-christian base evaporates?

GWB already destroyed the Republican party.
Hubble didn't even have a chance to take a crack it it.

All political parties also reach their end, eventually.

Remember, change is the rule.

John Popelish

"harmony" wrote in message
...
....
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George

"George Dishman" wrote in message
...

"harmony" wrote in message
...
...
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George


bible says no such thing. you and john poplish both are just giving us new
age stuff. liberlas!

you physics majors are just too proud of ourselves to read intellegent
design, and you are incapable of getting it right.
god made man in his image, that's says it all. there are human images out
there in the skies. they are supposed to have wings.

but not to worry. i just heard recently on 700 club that their scientist has
found a curious big glob in a hubble image. their preliminary study
indicates that if two trillion human figures could be laid together, that's
the kind of glob you would get.

On 15 Jun, 00:53, "harmony" wrote:
"George Dishman" wrote in message

...







"harmony" wrote in message
...
...
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George

bible says no such thing. you and john poplish both are just giving us new
age stuff. liberlas!

Hardly, that's the old traditional view. The soul has
always been considered to be non-material, more like
"personality" or "spirit".

you physics majors are just too proud of ourselves to read intellegent
design,

ROFL, "Intellegent Design" is the new age propaganda
that attempts to sound scientific but when you look
into it, has nothing but PR spin.

god made man in his image, that's says it all. there are human images out
there in the skies. they are supposed to have wings.

Then it is wrong, obviously, because humans don't
have wings.

but not to worry. i just heard recently on 700 club that their scientist has
found a curious big glob in a hubble image. their preliminary study
indicates that if two trillion human figures could be laid together, that's
the kind of glob you would get.

Exactly the sort of clueless statement that shows
you can't believe them. The volume of a human is
of the order of 1m^3 so 2*10^12 humans would fit
in a sphere just 10 miles in diameter. A "big glob"
in a hubble image is probably many light years
away or even far outside our galaxy and would need
to be billions of miles across to be detectable.
You are worrying unneccesarily.

George

"George Dishman" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 15 Jun, 00:53, "harmony" wrote:
"George Dishman" wrote in message

...







"harmony" wrote in message
...
...
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble
is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and
brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George

bible says no such thing. you and john poplish both are just giving us
new
age stuff. liberlas!

Hardly, that's the old traditional view. The soul has
always been considered to be non-material, more like
"personality" or "spirit".


quote something in bible that would square with above (you can't).
you are just giving us new age stuff.


you physics majors are just too proud of ourselves to read intellegent
design,

ROFL, "Intellegent Design" is the new age propaganda
that attempts to sound scientific but when you look
into it, has nothing but PR spin.


say what????!!!!!!!
intellegent design is a product of, and is widely approved (ie blessed) by,
the conservative church establishment. you got it backward, senor jorje. i
saw a stage drama on it just a few weeks back.


god made man in his image, that's says it all. there are human images out
there in the skies. they are supposed to have wings.

Then it is wrong, obviously, because humans don't
have wings.


all depiction of post death beings by well regarded conservative sources
show them with wings.
do try to keep up, maharishi george.


but not to worry. i just heard recently on 700 club that their scientist
has
found a curious big glob in a hubble image. their preliminary study
indicates that if two trillion human figures could be laid together,
that's
the kind of glob you would get.

Exactly the sort of clueless statement that shows
you can't believe them. The volume of a human is
of the order of 1m^3 so 2*10^12 humans would fit
in a sphere just 10 miles in diameter. A "big glob"
in a hubble image is probably many light years
away or even far outside our galaxy and would need
to be billions of miles across to be detectable.
You are worrying unneccesarily.


why would they want to hang out so far away? i am telling you guys hubble
will do it to america.
don't you want to be saved?



George

"harmony" wrote in message
...

"George Dishman" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 15 Jun, 00:53, "harmony" wrote:
"George Dishman" wrote in message
...
"harmony" wrote in message
...
...
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble
is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and
brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George

bible says no such thing. you and john poplish both are just giving us
new age stuff. liberlas!

Hardly, that's the old traditional view. The soul has
always been considered to be non-material, more like
"personality" or "spirit".


quote something in bible that would square with above (you can't).
you are just giving us new age stuff.

I'll leave the quoting to others but what I am telling
you was basic church teaching where I was brought up
in a fishing village in Scotland 50 years ago, and
you don't get much farther from "new age" than that.

you physics majors are just too proud of ourselves to read intellegent
design,

ROFL, "Intellegent Design" is the new age propaganda
that attempts to sound scientific but when you look
into it, has nothing but PR spin.


say what????!!!!!!!
intellegent design is a product of, and is widely approved (ie blessed)
by, the conservative church establishment.

Exactly, produced by a group with a vested interest.
Anyone who looks at it critically can see that there is
no scientific content at all, just standard religious
dogma packaged with scientific words to make it sound
more credible. It is "snake-oil", and you would be better
to stay with traditional teaching than follow what is
ultimately nothing more than an attempt to bolster
numbers by bringing in those of minimal faith.

you got it backward, senor jorje.

I alwasy know when someone realises their argument
is flawed, they resort to personal insults.

i saw a stage drama on it just a few weeks back.

Thanks, you make my case for me, it is nothing
more than a "drama".

god made man in his image, that's says it all. there are human images
out
there in the skies. they are supposed to have wings.

Then it is wrong, obviously, because humans don't
have wings.

all depiction of post death beings by well regarded conservative sources
show them with wings.

Sure, but when did you see a _live_ human with wings?
That's what you claimed above. Read your own words
again:

god made man in his image ..
there are human images out there in the skies. they are supposed to have
wings.

do try to keep up, maharishi george.

You seem to be losing the plot a bit.

but not to worry. i just heard recently on 700 club that their scientist
has
found a curious big glob in a hubble image. their preliminary study
indicates that if two trillion human figures could be laid together,
that's the kind of glob you would get.

Exactly the sort of clueless statement that shows
you can't believe them. The volume of a human is
of the order of 1m^3 so 2*10^12 humans would fit
in a sphere just 10 miles in diameter. A "big glob"
in a hubble image is probably many light years
away or even far outside our galaxy and would need
to be billions of miles across to be detectable.
You are worrying unneccesarily.

why would they want to hang out so far away?

That's where Hubble looks. Why don't you do a little
research - for example ask "700 club" (whatever that
is) how far away the "big glob" is. Ask if it shows
proper motion. Ask if its distance has been determined
by parallax or red shift. Better yet, go to the Hubble
web site and find out how far away an object 10 miles
in diameter could be seen. I think you will be
surprised how close it would have to be. Learn how
astronomy works and then judge for yourself.

Here's a simple set of maps that will give you an
idea of the scales we are talking about. Where do
you think the "big glob" would turn up on these?

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/index.html

i am telling you guys hubble will do it to america.

Hubble is nearing the end of its life and will be
de-orbited in a few years anyway. It should be
replaced by a far more powerful telescope that can
start to reach the time when the first stars came
into existence. Look up JWST.

don't you want to be saved?

Having recently lost an acquaintance to a religious
sect, your suggestion sounds like a threat. If you
want to be saved from that fate, learn enough to
test people's claims for yourself. If they are
genuine then their claims should stand up and you
have lost nothing, but there a lot of crooks out
there pretending to be what they are not. Give
yourself the tools to sort the wheat from the
chaff.

George

"George Dishman" wrote in message
...

"harmony" wrote in message
...

"George Dishman" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 15 Jun, 00:53, "harmony" wrote:
"George Dishman" wrote in message
...
"harmony" wrote in message
...
...
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble
is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and
brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George

bible says no such thing. you and john poplish both are just giving us
new age stuff. liberlas!

Hardly, that's the old traditional view. The soul has
always been considered to be non-material, more like
"personality" or "spirit".


quote something in bible that would square with above (you can't).
you are just giving us new age stuff.

I'll leave the quoting to others but what I am telling
you was basic church teaching where I was brought up
in a fishing village in Scotland 50 years ago, and
you don't get much farther from "new age" than that.


so, you learned non-bible religion in a church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i hope the pope does not hear *that*. he will be mad as hell. he has already
said yoga is evil.
scotland is in trouble.


you physics majors are just too proud of ourselves to read intellegent
design,

ROFL, "Intellegent Design" is the new age propaganda
that attempts to sound scientific but when you look
into it, has nothing but PR spin.


say what????!!!!!!!
intellegent design is a product of, and is widely approved (ie blessed)
by, the conservative church establishment.

Exactly, produced by a group with a vested interest.
Anyone who looks at it critically can see that there is
no scientific content at all, just standard religious
dogma packaged with scientific words to make it sound
more credible. It is "snake-oil", and you would be better
to stay with traditional teaching than follow what is
ultimately nothing more than an attempt to bolster
numbers by bringing in those of minimal faith.

you got it backward, senor jorje.

I alwasy know when someone realises their argument
is flawed, they resort to personal insults.


no insult meant, no insult said.


i saw a stage drama on it just a few weeks back.

Thanks, you make my case for me, it is nothing
more than a "drama".

god made man in his image, that's says it all. there are human images
out
there in the skies. they are supposed to have wings.

Then it is wrong, obviously, because humans don't
have wings.

all depiction of post death beings by well regarded conservative sources
show them with wings.

Sure, but when did you see a _live_ human with wings?
That's what you claimed above. Read your own words
again:


right you are there. but i am just saying like it is. *error* is on the part
of the church establishment.


god made man in his image ..
there are human images out there in the skies. they are supposed to
have wings.

do try to keep up, maharishi george.

You seem to be losing the plot a bit.


not really. here is the plot:
heavenly father, who dwells up in the sky, made man in his image. so
heavenly father has a human figure. the dead folks are also depicted with
human figure hangin around in sky, and we know 2 trillions have been dead
since jesus. so, hubble - or its successors - is clearly in a position to
test biblical claims better than pope or bible or any body else since the
test subject and data are immense. wouldn't you agree thus far?


but not to worry. i just heard recently on 700 club that their
scientist has
found a curious big glob in a hubble image. their preliminary study
indicates that if two trillion human figures could be laid together,
that's the kind of glob you would get.

Exactly the sort of clueless statement that shows
you can't believe them. The volume of a human is
of the order of 1m^3 so 2*10^12 humans would fit
in a sphere just 10 miles in diameter. A "big glob"
in a hubble image is probably many light years
away or even far outside our galaxy and would need
to be billions of miles across to be detectable.
You are worrying unneccesarily.

why would they want to hang out so far away?

That's where Hubble looks. Why don't you do a little
research - for example ask "700 club" (whatever that
is) how far away the "big glob" is. Ask if it shows
proper motion. Ask if its distance has been determined
by parallax or red shift. Better yet, go to the Hubble
web site and find out how far away an object 10 miles
in diameter could be seen. I think you will be
surprised how close it would have to be. Learn how
astronomy works and then judge for yourself.

Here's a simple set of maps that will give you an
idea of the scales we are talking about. Where do
you think the "big glob" would turn up on these?

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/index.html

i am telling you guys hubble will do it to america.

Hubble is nearing the end of its life and will be
de-orbited in a few years anyway. It should be
replaced by a far more powerful telescope that can
start to reach the time when the first stars came
into existence. Look up JWST.

don't you want to be saved?

Having recently lost an acquaintance to a religious
sect, your suggestion sounds like a threat. If you
want to be saved from that fate, learn enough to
test people's claims for yourself. If they are
genuine then their claims should stand up and you
have lost nothing, but there a lot of crooks out
there pretending to be what they are not. Give
yourself the tools to sort the wheat from the
chaff.


whose claim - and what claim - have you found to be genuine on the heavenly
father matter under question?
do you, and your astronomer friends, believe in heavenly father, george? are
you all out to prove mark twain right and destroy the god of bible?


George

In article ,
George Dishman wrote:

so Hubble is never going to show you something that can't be seen

Hubble can show you things which can be seen, and has already
done so many times. Hubble can image objects also at ultraviolet
and near infrared wavelengths - those wavelengths are invisible
to the human eye.

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On 15 Jun, 08:12, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
In article ,

George Dishman wrote:
so Hubble is never going to show you something that can't be seen

Hubble can show you things which can be seen, and has already
done so many times. Hubble can image objects also at ultraviolet
and near infrared wavelengths - those wavelengths are invisible
to the human eye.

What I meant was that it wouldn't show an image
of something that has no physical presence in
any form. Think of dark matter but without the
gravitational influence.

George