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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:16:56 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:


What he wants is campaign contributions from the aerospace industry, and
he's quite willing to say whatever he has to to get them.

Name a major candidate who *doesn't*.

Brian

On 31 Oct 2003 00:29:31 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Jorge R.
Frank" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

But then again, JFK was a Democrat - nope, can't
criticize *him*...

Not just a Democrat, but an Irishman... ;-)

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:31:23 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Well the ice would come as a surprise for the crew at Arecibo, and none
was seen after Lunar Prospector crash dove into the area it was supposed
to be in.

That was always a long shot. It was more along the lines of "it's
going to crash anyway, so we may as well crash it at the pole and hope
we spot some ice in the debris." They didn't even spot debris, much
less ice.

Brian

In article ,
says...
The USA, using 1960's technology, needed under 7.5 years to go from
Glenn-in-Mercury to Moon-Landing, with a delay of ?? caused by Apollo I.

Yes, but a lot of ground work was done before Glenn's flight. The F-1
design had begun years before. North American was working on the Apollo
CSM. Various big Saturns were on the drawing board.

That was when NASA was young, encouraging innovation and wild ideas
(flying two Geminis at once, flying Apollo 8, LOR, all-up testing), and
willing to take out insurance against the unknowns (when an Agena
failed, they just happened to have this little Target Docking gadget
sitting in a hanger, heck, the entire Gemini program was both an
admission of ignorance and a way of learning what had to be learned
before Apollo was flyable).

More important, the quality of the senior management was extraordinary.
I'm not aware of a von Bruan in today's NASA, nor a Gilruth, nor a Web,
nor a, well, the list goes on.
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Brian Thorn wrote:



What he wants is campaign contributions from the aerospace industry, and
he's quite willing to say whatever he has to to get them.



Name a major candidate who *doesn't*.



Gore Vidal wrote a nice piece on how the system works; both candidates
are given contributions, so that whoever wins owes the defense industry
something- but if either of them get out of line...then his
contributions get cut, and more goes to his opponent, so he effectively
gets hit twice...what makes it interesting is where the money that
becomes the contributions comes from- it comes out of the taxpayer's
pocket, and gets used by the defense industry to elect people who will
give the defense industry more tax dollars- a nifty little conflict of
interest that should be illegal.

Pat

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:54:40 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

After all, he may be hoping that Forty-Four is in office 2009-2017, and
is also Son of Forty-One.


That nightmare scenario occurred to you also? Well, ol' JEB will have a
hard time going up against Hillary in the debates

Pat, you're entering delusion territory now.

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:04:49 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
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Gore Vidal wrote a nice piece on how the system works

Oh, well *that's* a credible source...

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Pat Flannery wrote

Dan Quayle, in regards to Mars: "Mars is essentially in the same
orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which
is very important. We have seen pictures where there are
canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is
oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."--- Vice President Dan
Quayle, 8/11/89


Ya know, though I have no doubt that Dan Q was a bit vague on the
details, and though I often enjoyed a chuckle thanks to him, I just
got a slightly eerie twinge about that famous quote.

I.e., it is pretty much right, or at least not too wrong:


"Mars is essentially in the same orbit..."

Er, that depends of what he meant by "essentially," but see the
next part:


"Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very
important."

Yep on both counts. It is somewhat the same distance from the Sun
[as the Earth], and that is very important.


"We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and
water."

Yep, if you take a bit of license and back-translate Schiaparelli's
"canali." There are arguments about how the channels formed, but
certainly water is the leading contender at the moment.


"If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that
means we can breathe."

Yep. If there is water, there's H20, even if no free O2. Busting H20
into H2 and O2 is a known technique. And then we can breathe the O2.

Again, I do not claim that DQ did or did not know what relation his
words had to physical reality. But if you analyze the text as
written, it's not a stretch to say that it's pretty much in line
with what a lot of today's planetologists would say, or at least
admit into the space of reasonable discussion.

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no doubt less expensive than the alternatives too.

I'm certain a correct answer to my question won't cost you anything at all.

It's not going to go away. It's very clear that you had no basis whatsoever
for your whiny **** about NASA management at the time you whined. If you
did, you could easily answer my question. The CAIB report doesn't answer it
because you didn't have it at the time you made your disparaging remarks.
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(ed kyle) wrote

There would be one nagging concern: the new KT-series rocket China is developing will be the world's most powerful rocket...

That would be CZ-5xx, not KT. KT-1 is quite interesting in itself,
but it is a Start-class vehicle, perhaps somewhat upgradable by adding
strap-ons and things.

http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/lonmarch.htm

The "KT" nomenclature (not "KT-1", but "KT Light", "KT Medium",
and "KT Heavy", came from an October Aviation Week & Space
Technology article describing the same launcher that Mr. Wade
calls "CZ-5" (Long March 5). The most powerful variant was said
to be designed to put 25 metric tons into low earth orbit or
14 tons into geosynchronous transfer orbit - more than Proton,
Ariane 5, Titan IVB, or Delta IV Heavy.

- Ed Kyle