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George replied to Henry:
What makes a photon different from anything else then George? It has different intrinsic properties. How can anything have 'intrinsic properties' (which can be measured in 3space1time) if it doesn't have a 'structure'? Consider some entity A. It is made of entities B and C. A has properties which come from the properties of B and C plus some influence from the relationship between B and C. For example the mass of A might be the sum of the masses of B and C plus the binding energy of the pair. As you go down the scale, eventually you come to something fundamental which is not composed of other things, and yet it must have some properties of its own. This idea has surely been expressed so many times that I was hoping for a very refined, elegant exegesis. I'll just add my own slap-dash, spur-of-the-moment examples. A rectangle has no structure, yet has intrinsic properties such as length, width, and area. A circle has no structure, yet has intrinsic properties such as diameter, circumference, and area. An electron has no structure, yet has intrinsic properties such as mass, charge, and magnetic moment. Of course that doesn't answer Henry's question. Things just have intrinsic properties regardless of whether they have any structure, so it isn't possible to say how that can be. How can anything have fur if it doesn't have wheels? When you calculate the probability of detection of a photon at some location, there is a sine function in that equation. Oh crap. Probability theory doesn't work with sample sizes of unity. Location is a continuous variable. It is not possible to calculate exactly where a photon will land given an experimental setup, you can only calculate the probability as a function of location. That is an intrinsic property of all particles. George, if a thousand bullets are fired at a target, the way they are distributed around the bull follows an established statistical law. Yes, and that is true even if the gun is locked into position. However, if single ONE bullet is fired at the target, it has zero probability of landing anywhere other than at the point where the gun was aimed. (please don't mention wind shear) No, it has exactly the same probability of landing at any location as each of the thousand. Statistics is the most misinterpreted science of all.... Indeed, though your mistake above is less common than others. The key here is that the probability for each bullet is unaffected by the existence of any preceding shot. It is similar to tossing an unbiassed coin, the probability is 50:50 regardless of the outcome of preceding tosses, only the variable is 2D real (location on the target) rather than binary (heads or tails). A sequence of binary coin tosses can generate a gaussian probability distribution which describes the pattern of bullet hits. Henry will put forth a superficially plausible but incorrect explanation for the many photon or electron impacts in the images you linked to which are not in the constructive areas of the interference patterns. You will show him what is wrong with his explanation, and he will defend it by telling you that you are wrong and modify his explanation to make it work. You will show him why the modification doesn't work, and he will respond again by saying that he was mistaken, the modification wasn't needed, his original explanation was correct. the constancy of cepheid periods strongly suggests some kind of connection with an orbit. No, Cepheid variation is less stable. So are many orbit periods. No orbital periods are more stable and don't show the discontinuous phase changes of Cepheids. Was there supposed to be a comma after the "No" ? Don't, stop! No, don't stop! -- Jeff, in Minneapolis |
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