Bush/Cheney/Gonzales - Corrupt, Criminal, Treasonous

James wrote:

I rest my case.

No you don't. You'll just keep posting your Christian fascist
anti-science bull****, as always, with no apologies whatsoever.

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On Mar 2, 4:29 pm, kT wrote:
James wrote:
I rest my case.

No you don't. You'll just keep posting your Christian fascist
anti-science bull****, as always, with no apologies whatsoever.

Is 'Intelligent Design' an instance of "Christian fascist anti-science
bull****"?

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Einstein: physics was designed
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...individual.net

"Fascist!" he shrieked.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...oglegroups.com

the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...legroups .com

1942 Nazi atheism-adherent Martin Bormann: "National Socialist and
Christian Concepts are Incompatible"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...legroups .com

1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...legroups .com

1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...legroup s.com

1943 Goebbels: a "process of selection between the strong and the
weak"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...legroup s.com

Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...legroup s.com

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk....dfa0eba?hl=en&

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Incompetent is no longer an adequate description of this administration.

I totally agree.

They used to have trials for such horrific crimes against humanity.
What ever happened to those?
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Brad Guth




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James wrote:

I rest my case.

No you don't. You'll just keep posting your Christian fascist
anti-science bull****, as always, with no apologies whatsoever.

The only case they have to rest are of the ones chuck full of lies and
all of that "Christian fascist anti-science bull****", of spewed
infomercials that suck and blow.
-
Brad Guth


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Is 'Intelligent Design' an instance of "Christian fascist anti-science
bull****"?

Intelligent design is simply "intelligent", thus entirely outside of
your Old Testament status quo realm where hocus-pocus is obviously all
that counts, or else.
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Brad Guth


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On Mar 10, 6:13 pm, "Brad Guth" wrote in Bush/
Cheney/Gonzales - Corrupt, Criminal, Treasonous:
"dford3" wrote in message
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Is 'Intelligent Design' an instance of "Christian fascist anti-science
bull****"?

Intelligent design is simply "intelligent", thus entirely outside of
your Old Testament status quo realm where hocus-pocus is obviously all
that counts, or else.

Is SETI-- the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence--
"hocus-pocus"?
"anti-science"?

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On Mar 10, 6:09 pm, "Brad Guth" wrote in Bush/
Cheney/Gonzales - Corrupt, Criminal, Treasonous:
"kT" wrote:
James wrote:

I rest my case.

No you don't. You'll just keep posting your Christian fascist
anti-science bull****, as always, with no apologies whatsoever.

The only case they have to rest are of the ones chuck full of lies and
all of that "Christian fascist anti-science bull****", of spewed
infomercials that suck and blow.

What are 3 examples of those "lies"?

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omphalic YEC and blindwatchmakingist parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...ing.google.com

Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...legroup s.com

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk....dfa0eba?hl=en&

"Fascist!" he shrieked.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...oglegroups.com

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wrote:

Is SETI-- the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence--
"hocus-pocus"?
"anti-science"?

No, it's valid science, though extremely unlikely to produce anything
more than continued negative results -- but even negative results are
interesting.

The SETI community, however, is growing a little anti-science, in the
sense that they are trying to squash open discussion:
http://lifeboat.com/ex/shouting.at.the.cosmos

(Please ignore the cheesy stock photos somebody added to Brin's
otherwise sensible essay.)

Joe Strout wrote:
The SETI community, however, is growing a little anti-science, in the
sense that they are trying to squash open discussion:
http://lifeboat.com/ex/shouting.at.the.cosmos

(Please ignore the cheesy stock photos somebody added to Brin's
otherwise sensible essay.)


First off; Earth is going to stick out like a sore thumb on anyone
else's SETI search within 75 light years of us, or on their radio
telescopes as they map the cosmos.
Second, given the speed of light constraints, it's liable to be a very,
very, long time before anyone ever hears SETI's signals.
If and when they do, then there are two possibilities:
1.) FTL travel is possible, so they can come visit us, eat us, or whatever.
2.) FTL travel isn't possible, so all they can do is send messages.
If the first case proves to be true, then there's a good chance we will
also have FTL travel by the time they receive our signals, which is
certainly going to be a lot of years down the road, and we can go eat
them before they realize we're even here.
My theory is that there are far better ways to communicate than radio
waves (instantaneously in some manner) and any civilization ditches
radio after a few hundred years.

Pat

In article ,
Pat Flannery wrote:

Joe Strout wrote:
The SETI community, however, is growing a little anti-science, in the
sense that they are trying to squash open discussion:
http://lifeboat.com/ex/shouting.at.the.cosmos

(Please ignore the cheesy stock photos somebody added to Brin's
otherwise sensible essay.)

First off...

The point isn't whether or not we should be doing it. It's whether or
not some of us should be doing it without first discussing it openly and
coming to some sort of consensus with the rest of us.

Also, you really should read the article before posting your arguments,
since they're already considered and refuted:

Earth is going to stick out like a sore thumb on anyone
else's SETI search within 75 light years of us, or on their radio
telescopes as they map the cosmos.

"This widely-held supposition was, in fact, decisively disproved years
ago, in a paper written by Dr. Shostak himself! In fact, even military
radars and television signals appear to dissipate below interstellar
noise levels within just a few light years. Certainly they are far less
visible by many orders of magnitude than a directed beam from any of
Earth's large, or even intermediate, radio telescopes.

"Moreover, this reasoning is illogical, since METI's whole purpose is to
draw attention to Earth by dramatically increasing our visibility over
whatever baseline value it currently has. If it's already 'too late',
then what are they aiming to achieve?"

Second, given the speed of light constraints, it's liable to be a very,
very, long time before anyone ever hears SETI's signals.
If and when they do, then there are two possibilities:
1.) FTL travel is possible, so they can come visit us, eat us, or whatever.
2.) FTL travel isn't possible, so all they can do is send messages.

There's also 3.) FTL travel isn't possible, but aliens are long-lived,
patient, and have very fast (sublight) craft, so they can come eat us
anyway.

But again, the point is that such ramifications should be discussed. If
there really is no danger, then let's see if we can convince everyone in
the community (including many founders of the original SETI movement,
who are currently very opposed to the idea) of that before we just barge
on ahead and announce Earth's presence, smug in the certainty of our own
correctness. To do otherwise is dangerous hubris.

My theory is that there are far better ways to communicate than radio
waves (instantaneously in some manner) and any civilization ditches
radio after a few hundred years.

I'm sure that's so. I also tend to believe there's no real danger from
METI, since when you consider the time it takes to colonize the galaxy
compared to the time it takes for civilization to arise in the first
place, it's most likely that either there's nobody out there, or we're
in a nature preserve set up just for us. Either way, both SETI and METI
are pointless.

But the behavior of the METI proponents, if Brin's article is even close
to accurate, is shameful and clearly not how rational, reasonable people
should behave.

Best,
- Joe