Fuel cells producing *liquid* water?

On 22 Aug 2006 11:12:00 -0700,
wrote:

G. R. L. Cowan wrote:
Perhaps you could take a cue from the Levitated Dipole Experiment,
for fusion plasma confinement, and find a way
to bond hydrogen to the *outside* of a diamond nanofilament.
Less carbon would be required
if it were on the inside, pulling on the hydrogen,
rather than on the outside pushing.


--- G. R. L. Cowan, former hydrogen fan
Burn boron in pure oxygen for vehicle power:
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html

An interesting suggestion. Amorphous diamond is commonly made
containing hydrogen, though it can be made to remove the hydrogen.
Hydrogen is known to desorb from the amorphous diamond at raised
temperatu

THERMAL STABILITY OF DIAMOND LIKE CARBON THIN FILMS PREPARED USING
PLASMA ENHANCED CHEMICAL VAPOUR DEPOSITION.
http://www.physics.muni.cz/~jzuda/skola/J05385.doc

The report states the desorption becomes significant at 250C and
increases to a high rate at 400C.
According to the report the amount of hydrogen can be 50 at.%. This
means the number of hydrogen atoms is half the total number of atoms,
or the same as the number of carbon atoms. Then since carbon is 12
times as massive as hydrogen, the hydrogen amounts to 1/13th the total
mass, or 7.7%. This exceeds the DOE weight percentage requirements
assuming all the hydrogen could be desorbed.
For the volume requirements, the mass of hydrogen has to be .07 kg per
liter total storage volume, or 70 kg per cubic meter. Assuming the same
density for the amorphous diamond as diamond at 3500 kg/m^3, the mass
of the hydrogen would be .077*3500 = 269.5 kg.



Bob Clark


I believe the ideal carbon containment would use a single
nanorod carbon chain with two hydrogens bonded at each
carbon position, and an additional hydrogen at each end to
terminate the chain. By adjusting the number of carbons in
the chain, physical properties such as density and vapor
pressure could be tailored to suit the individual
applications.

The hydrogen energy could be extracted by thermal
decomposition and oxidation, with a boost from the carbon
atoms.

Bill Ward wrote:


I believe the ideal carbon containment would use a single
nanorod carbon chain with two hydrogens bonded at each
carbon position, and an additional hydrogen at each end to
terminate the chain. By adjusting the number of carbons in


There are already two ideal carbon containment systems.
These are called heptane and iso-octane.

No other hydrogen storage scheme comes remotely close.

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf


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