Black Holes, Dark Stars, and Garbage Cans

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear Dark Star:

"DarkStar" wrote in message
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Interesting, I sort of thought this black hole thingy
was the coldest thing in the universe because
nothing can escape it. Not matter or energy or anything ??

I think maybe its temperature is absolute negative.
Maybe -1000.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/hawk.html
.. down to "Evaporation of a mini black hole". It is hotter than
I thought.

If you get to the part that talks about what is radiated from the
BH as it gets smaller/hotter, you might not want to have one
within several light years...

I was thinking how nice it would be to get rid of radioactive
waste with one...
Dear D, D, D & n,

"...ARTICLE PREVIEW
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Create your own universe

* 10 July 2006
* Zeeya Merali
* Magazine issue 2559

ONE of the good things about being God is that there's not much
competition. From time immemorial, no one else has boasted the skills
necessary to create a universe. Now that's about to change. "People are
becoming more powerful," says Andrei Linde, a cosmologist based at
Stanford University in California. "Maybe it's time we redefine God as
something more sophisticated than just the creator of the universe."

Linde was prompted to make this wry observation by the news that a
glittering prize is within physicists' reach. For decades, particle
accelerators have been racking up an impressive list of achievements,
including creating antimatter and exotic particles never seen in
nature. The next generation of these giant colliders will provide the
hunting ground for the elusive Higgs boson, thought to be the source of
all mass. These machines might even create mini black holes. Mighty as
those discoveries and creations are, however, ..."

http://www.newscientistspace.com/art...25591.500.html

Hubris, maybe?

( ... or just the *New Scientist* mentality? )

Cordially,

RL

You have a very dim idea about what mankind can do. As a race of beings we
are still young and our time in the clock of time has just been the last
second of an hour. This world has another billion years to go before the sun
starts to fry it and I do belive that far before that time, we will take
ships out among the stars. While they will not be like the ones of sci-fi,
they never the less will be far reaching ones and mankind will spread out to
the stars. We've just started on a long road that will take some years to
follow, but we've taken the first step and it'll be up to those who follow
to build apon the dream and make it happen.

The rest of what you wrote is just your own darkness.

"We are Star Stuff, Our atoms where born in the ranging hart of stars and
when we die and our system dies, we'll return to the stars"



"DarkStar" wrote in message
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I think we are prisoners of this solar system and will
never leave it as living breathing human beings.

In uk.sci.astronomy DarkStar wrote:

I was just thinking how nice it would be to have a small
black hole in my kitchen so that i can use it as a garbage can
and save the $200 per year that i pay for trash service.
You just got to be careful not to put your fingers
near the hole when you throw things away.
Maybe those LHC people at CERN can create these
cheaply so we can all have one in our kitchens.

I'm sure that Dyson will invent a hoover that will simply put a portable
black hole in proximity to muck on the carpet and suck it up.

It will be quite hard to push of course, but it can double as an
exercise regime.

FoFP

Darkstar We will go out to the Oort belt in about the year 3200 In
eons into the future humankind's dust will leave the solar system to
become space dust to help seed nebula into objects that produce stars
planets,and life. Lots of good science makes this reality. Bert

Raving Loonie wrote:
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear Dark Star:

"DarkStar" wrote in message
news:yQhtg.833860$084.45632@attbi_s22...
Interesting, I sort of thought this black hole thingy
was the coldest thing in the universe because
nothing can escape it. Not matter or energy or anything ??

I think maybe its temperature is absolute negative.
Maybe -1000.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/hawk.html
.. down to "Evaporation of a mini black hole". It is hotter than
I thought.

If you get to the part that talks about what is radiated from the
BH as it gets smaller/hotter, you might not want to have one
within several light years...

I was thinking how nice it would be to get rid of radioactive
waste with one...
Dear D, D, D & n,

"...ARTICLE PREVIEW
This article is only available to subscribers of New Scientist
magazine. Subscribe now for full-text access to all content on this
site.

Create your own universe

* 10 July 2006
* Zeeya Merali
* Magazine issue 2559

ONE of the good things about being God is that there's not much
competition. From time immemorial, no one else has boasted the skills
necessary to create a universe. Now that's about to change. "People are
becoming more powerful," says Andrei Linde, a cosmologist based at
Stanford University in California. "Maybe it's time we redefine God as
something more sophisticated than just the creator of the universe."

Linde was prompted to make this wry observation by the news that a
glittering prize is within physicists' reach. For decades, particle
accelerators have been racking up an impressive list of achievements,
including creating antimatter and exotic particles never seen in
nature. The next generation of these giant colliders will provide the
hunting ground for the elusive Higgs boson, thought to be the source of
all mass. These machines might even create mini black holes. Mighty as
those discoveries and creations are, however, ..."

http://www.newscientistspace.com/art...25591.500.html

Hubris, maybe?

( ... or just the *New Scientist* mentality? )

Cordially,

RL


The idea isn't new:

http://www.time.com/time/reports/v21.../another2.html

Double-A

M Homes A black hole is the perfect way to go around the Milky Way. Our
space ship finds a black hole that is circling the galaxy and locks on
to its gravity field at a distance that is just right from its event
horizon. The space ship has two important things now going for it. One
i8s in 110 million years it will be on the other side of the galaxy,and
the second great effect is the crew has only aged one year for each
100,000 years that have past on Earth. Man is using gravity for
accelerating speed in our spacetime. In the future man will use
gravity to set his own time rate. Bert

Dear Raving Loonie:

"Raving Loonie" wrote in message
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....
including creating antimatter and exotic particles
never seen in nature. The next generation of
these giant colliders will provide the hunting
ground for the elusive Higgs boson, thought to be
the source of all mass. These machines might
even create mini black holes. Mighty as
those discoveries and creations are, however, ..."


http://www.newscientistspace.com/art...25591.500.html

Hubris, maybe?

( ... or just the *New Scientist* mentality? )

More like the New Scientist (or National Enquirer) journalistic
style. I've never seen a clown dressed all in green, but it
doesn't make me God to paint one green.

David A. Smith

DarkStar wrote:
I believe he is absolutely right.

But we must be careful about what comes from him.

I have seen a man die a slow death and
during the process he hallucinated terribly.

Some of Hawkings ideas might simply be the hallucinations
of a sick and dying man.

I am not saying that is true of him now but I know he
is terribly physically ill.

I think we are prisoners of this solar system and will
never leave it as living breathing human beings.

If we are to leave we will have to find a way to
send only our genetic material in a way that
can be turned into a human being at the end of a
million year trip.
Then that human or humans will have to be raised
and trained and nurtured to be able to carry on the mission.

I myself think the survival of man is irrelevant.

It is only important for us to live our short lives
and be happy till humans are no more.

We are little more then a kind of parasite infecting the Earth
sucking it dry of its natural resources.

Like all living things die so must humanity.

It is only some kind of sick dream to want to
infest the rest of the universe with that evil
intelligence called Humanity.

In death you are a true time/space traveler but when and where and if
you ever meet the right conditions to once again be you will
have no awareness of what you were in the past.

Possibly we will find a way to take the soul from a human with all
his knowledge and intelligence and direct only that disembodied soul
to do our bidding free of the current limitation inhibiting us from
leaving this solar system.

What is a soul but some strange aspect of the chemo-electric activities
cruising through the hardwiring that is our brains.

Whatever we do as we are now we will
never be able to reach for another star system.

The soul is a very interesting phenomena and I have
this sneaking suspicion a soul...you me anyone
can pop up elsewhere in the universe given
the right conditions after we die. So if you
really want to travel to the stars it is as
easy as dying. It is a terrible shame that all
our knowledge and memories and everything that
gives us our personality shall die permanently
along with the hardwiring that was our brains.
But our souls shall be installed and live on
as some other new form of life.

Has anyone investigated the soul phenomena as thoroughly
as we have investigated the rest of the Universe ?
I know the brain surgeons are fearful about
poking around in the part of the brain that seems
to give rise to the soul.
Some people think the soul might represent another dimension of some kind.
I think it is a phenomena relating to a complex
infinite looping program of some kind inside a given brain.
Death is simply whatever stops the looping program.
You might be able to install a switch to turn the soul on and off.


What if instead of the soul being able to be turned and off, it is the
universe it is experiencing that can be turned on and off?

Double-A


The soul is the ONLY IMPORTANT thing in the universe.
Without a soul nothing is able to think or reflect upon anything.

If you look at religion it first believes in many gods and
then it believes in one god then science seems to come along
and I think eventually Science will replace religion all together.
A sort of philosophical sequence of evolution.

If we go to the stars we need to do something radically different
and unheard of before.
Given what I now understand we are prisoners forever to this solar system.






"Raving Loonie" wrote in message ups.com...
Double-A wrote:
DarkStar wrote:
Interesting, I sort of thought this black hole thingy
was the coldest thing in the universe because
nothing can escape it. Not matter or energy or anything ??

I think maybe its temperature is absolute negative.
Maybe -1000.

Whose this Hawking guy that thinks these strange ideas ??
He must be a Brit because only a Brit would say things like that.

But yes it would be nice to save money on a heat source too.

With an unlimited heat source you could do all kinds of nifty things.



I think it they should have some verifiable evidence that the Hawking
radiation theory is correct before beginning spewing out black holes at
CERN. As on now, they have not one shred of experimental evidence
supporting that theory!

http://www.nature.com/news/2001/0110...1004-8_pf.html

But I can't save the world all by myself.

Double-A
Cough. Cough.

"Hawking: Leave Earth or die!
But not before you buy my new book...

Stephen Hawking has called for a new diaspora, telling a Hong Kong
press conference that humanity must leave Earth and colonise the rest
of the solar system if it is to avoid extinction.

The respected physicist warned of the increasing risk that some kind of
natural or man made disaster - such as global warming, or a nuclear war
- could destroy the Earth: "It is important for the human race to
spread out into space for the survival of the species," he said. ..."

See http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...s_leave_earth/ for
full story.

"Double-A" wrote in message
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
M Homes A black hole is the perfect way to go around the Milky Way. Our
space ship finds a black hole that is circling the galaxy and locks on
to its gravity field at a distance that is just right from its event
horizon. The space ship has two important things now going for it. One
i8s in 110 million years it will be on the other side of the galaxy,and
the second great effect is the crew has only aged one year for each
100,000 years that have past on Earth. Man is using gravity for
accelerating speed in our spacetime. In the future man will use
gravity to set his own time rate. Bert


In 110 million years the Earth will be on the other side of the galaxy,
so why not just put your astronauts into cyogenic suspension here on
Earth and wake them up in 110 million years? That would save all that
fuel you would need to escape from the black hole again!

Double-A

But can you imagine being 110 million years late to Granny's birthday party?
Oh the humanity!

O.H.J.

HJ you are going by earth gravity time,and your missing my main point
and that is the space crew out side the BH will make the trip
Bert