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June 17th 06, 04:09 AM
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June 17th 06, 04:27 AM
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#334
June 17th 06, 05:30 AM
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Pat Flannery wrote:
: The question now hinges on whether she was a "covert" agent. And it's not much of a question. She worked in the US and her neighbors knew who she worked for. Not quite 'covert'.... -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn
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June 17th 06, 06:13 AM
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(Eric Chomko) wrote:
:Mrs Ken Ehrett ) wrote: :: On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:17:24 +0000 (UTC), :: (Eric Chomko) wrote: : :: Rand Simberg ) wrote: :: : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:59:10 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away, :: : (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my :: : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: :: :: : Rand Simberg ) wrote: :: : : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400, in a place far, far away, Mrs Ken :: : : Ehrett made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a :: : : way as to indicate that: :: : :: : : On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:19:32 +0000 (UTC), :: : : (Eric Chomko) wrote: :: : : :: : : : " CIA employees names are not to be revealed despite the fact that :: : : : they are in the government. For you to claim otherwise makes it quite :: : : : clear ONI, despite that fact you claim to have been in the Navy, is :: : : : just another acronym. " :: : : :: : : I was referring to Fred having served in the Navy, but obviously not in :: : : the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). :: : : :: : : I know who you were referring to and I know about ONI. You seem :: : : enthralled with a lot of 3 letter acronyms yet you know little about :: : : what they are or what they do. :: : : :: : : I'm just curious, do you think everyone who served in the USN needs to :: : : have gone through ONI? :: : :: : : Eric's head is full of nonsense. He revels in it. :: : :: : Yet, I have a background in it due to family ties and Rand doesn't. Go :: : figure. :: :: : Yeah, go figure. And yet you didn't even know that Porter Goss had a :: : replacement, let alone who it is. :: :: I know exactly who he is. Mrs Ken Ehrett stated that DCI no longer exists :: replaced by DNI. I think s/he meant that the intel power no longer exists :: with DCI but with DNI and not that the position actually went away. : :: No I meant exactly what I said. The DCI position no longer exists. : :So what does General Michael Hayden do? He's Director CIA, which is not the same thing as DCI. :: The Director of the CIA still exists but he no longer wears two caps. : :Right above you say, "The DCI position no longer exists", and the you say, :"The Director of the CIA still exists". Would you please make up your :mind! Uh, Eric? DCIA is not the same as DCI. In the past DCIA reported (along with other Intel services) to DCI. Now he reports to DNI. This starting to sink in yet? :: *****Before April 21, 2005, the Director headed both the Intelligence :: Community and the Central Intelligence Agency as the Director of :: Central Intelligence (DCI). ******* : :So, CIA director and DCI ar the same damn thing! No. They're two different jobs that were traditionally filled by the same guy, who would be both D/CIA and DCI. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson
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#336
June 19th 06, 06:56 PM
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Mrs Ken Ehrett ) wrote:
: On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:43:02 +0000 (UTC), : (Eric Chomko) wrote: : Mrs Ken Ehrett ) wrote: : : On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:17:24 +0000 (UTC), : : (Eric Chomko) wrote: : : : Rand Simberg ) wrote: : : : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:59:10 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away, : : : (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my : : : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: : : : : : Rand Simberg ) wrote: : : : : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400, in a place far, far away, Mrs Ken : : : : Ehrett made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a : : : : way as to indicate that: : : : : : : : On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:19:32 +0000 (UTC), : : : : (Eric Chomko) wrote: : : : : : : : : : " CIA employees names are not to be revealed despite the fact that : : : : : they are in the government. For you to claim otherwise makes it quite : : : : : clear ONI, despite that fact you claim to have been in the Navy, is : : : : : just another acronym. " : : : : : : : : I was referring to Fred having served in the Navy, but obviously not in : : : : the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). : : : : : : : : I know who you were referring to and I know about ONI. You seem : : : : enthralled with a lot of 3 letter acronyms yet you know little about : : : : what they are or what they do. : : : : : : : : I'm just curious, do you think everyone who served in the USN needs to : : : : have gone through ONI? : : : : : : : Eric's head is full of nonsense. He revels in it. : : : : : : Yet, I have a background in it due to family ties and Rand doesn't. Go : : : figure. : : : : : Yeah, go figure. And yet you didn't even know that Porter Goss had a : : : replacement, let alone who it is. : : : : I know exactly who he is. Mrs Ken Ehrett stated that DCI no longer exists : : replaced by DNI. I think s/he meant that the intel power no longer exists : : with DCI but with DNI and not that the position actually went away. : : : No I meant exactly what I said. The DCI position no longer exists. : : So what does General Michael Hayden do? : General Hayden is the Director of the CIA. Yes, no ****! So you admit that this position does exist now? : : It was replaced by the DNI [ Director of National Intelligence] . : : That is Negroponte. : : The Director of the CIA still exists but he no longer wears two caps. : : Right above you say, "The DCI position no longer exists", and the you say, : "The Director of the CIA still exists". Would you please make up your : mind! : Stop spewing spittle in all directions. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...l_Intelligence : "The Office of United States Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) : was established by U.S. President Harry Truman on January 23, 1946 : with Admiral Sidney Souers occupying the position. Until April 2005, : the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency served as the DCI, : coordinating intelligence activities among and between the various : United States intelligence agencies, also called the American : Intelligence Community. : After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States : and the subsequent investigation by the 9/11 Commission, a movement : grew to re-organize the Intelligence Community. That movement prompted : the creation of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, : in whose purview was the job portfolio that had been performed : previously by the Director of Central Intelligence. : On April 21, 2005 the Office of Director of Central Intelligence : ceased to exist and was replaced by the DNI. Porter J. Goss was the : 19th and final CIA Director to serve in the position of DCI. " So even spook wannabees know how to use wiki. I'm impressed. : : Negroponte is wears the DCI cap but they changed the name to DNI. : : Yes, yes... : : : And either you knew that and are being a twit, or you really missed the jist : : of the whole post. You, honestly thinking that I thought the DCI posistion : : of the CIA went away makes YOU the idiot, Rand... : : : There never was a DCI position of CIA. It always was a separate : : position apart from the CIA Director. : : Okay, what was Allen Dulles and who was his counterpart in your DCI and : CIA director, as different, scheme? : You know for someone who claims to post from ' University System of : Maryland ' you have a terrible grasp of how to use a search engine. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...l_Intelligence I wanted a name other than Allen Dulles. : : *********** have been added my me for emphasis. : : : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...ligence_Agency : : : Director of the Central Intelligence Agency : : : Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (D/CIA) serves as the head : : of the Central Intelligence Agency, which is part of the United States : : Intelligence Community. He reports to the Director of National : : Intelligence (DNI). The Director is assisted by the Deputy Director : : of the Central Intelligence Agency. : : : : *****Before April 21, 2005, the Director headed both the Intelligence : : Community and the Central Intelligence Agency as the Director of : : Central Intelligence (DCI). ******* : : So, CIA director and DCI ar the same damn thing! : No they're not "the same damn thing!" . Separate positions, separate : duties which up until 21April05 were held by the individual who was : the Director of the CIA. Being the head of the CIA meant that you were also the head of all of intel until the DNI role was creatd which took over the role of head of all of intel leaving top position within the CIA as a seperate and now less powerful post as compared to DNI. : : In addition he served as an advisor to the President of the United : : States on intelligence matters and was the statutory intelligence : : advisor to the National Security Council (NSC). On April 21, 2005, the : : Director of National Intelligence (DNI) took on the roles as head of : : the Intelligence Community and principal intelligence advisor to the : : President and the NSC. : : Fine. : : : ******The post of DCI was established in 1946 by President Truman; it : : thus predates the establishment of the Central Intelligence Agency : : (created by the National Security Act of 1947). ******* : : OSS and Wild Bill Donovan. My mother met him. : Wonderful. I much preferred Sir William Stephenson of the BSC. Did you meet him? : : After the end of World War II, the Office of Strategic Services was : : dismantled and its functions were split between the Departments of : : State and War (now Defense). President Truman soon recognized the : : inefficiency of this arrangement and created the Central Intelligence : : Group, which could be considered a smaller precursor to the National : : Security Council. : : ...to collect and summarize all intelligence reports from various agencies : and report to the president. Plans? That's what I want you to tell me : about... : Sorry Eric. I'm not getting paid to be your professor nor am I : writing a book.  You don't have an answer for plans as there really is no directive for it. It was hatched in some back room and taken over by a bunch of right wing crazies that decided which countries were worth saving and which ones should be toppled via cou d'etat, mostly based upon self-interest. Hinkle and Turner liken that part of the CIA to a gun that supoosedly belongs to the American people, that has more often than not been bought for hire as a mercenary force by the highest bidder. Look up PNAC for the current crop. : : *****The following year the National Security Act of 1947 created the : : Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council, while : : formally defining the duties of the Director of Central Intelligence. : : The duties of the DCI had been further defined over the years by : : tradition, congressional acts, and Executive Orders. ****** : : : ******A list of Directors of the Central Intelligence Agency (in : : chronological order): ******** : : : Director Tenure : : Michael Hayden May 30, 2006 - date : Any particular reason why you wrote the above? To show that like you I too can use the internet as a research tool. I want to know what you know that is between the lines and not the sanitized version of everything that is mainstrean. Like plans, which you seem to simply dance away from... : : Porter J. Goss September 24, 2004 - May 26, 2006 : : Gen. Michael V. Hayden, USAF May 30, 2006 - Present : : Position replaced the Director of Central Intelligence : : : : *********Note: After April 21, 2005, the Director of the CIA is no : : longer the Director of Central Intelligence, and thus is referred to : : as the Director of the CIA only. ************ : : : Note: According to the CIA website on the D/CIA's, Porter Goss did not : : leave office until May 26, 2006. : : Whatever... : The bottom line Eric is you want to read a few books and think you : know all there is to know about the intel business and the intel : community. You don't, you won't, and you never will. It's the : nature of the beast. The Slendid Blond Beast. Yes, if I did know everything, then I'd be dead. Go ask folks like Danny Casalaro and JH Hatfield...oops, can't. : If you haven't already, try reading " A Man Called Intrepid" for : historical purposes, and then " Blind Man's Bluff". : Both entertaining, both factual. : Regards, Sarah Ehrett Thanks, I'll check the titles. They aren't from Regnery Publishing are they? Eric P.S. Something to ponder. During the Cold War the US and the USSR were the only two superpowers. As such they must have shared similar characteristics (i.e. space -on topic!). Is it correct then to say that the agency most similar to the CIA was the KGB by default, then? Why or why not?
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June 20th 06, 01:54 AM
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC),
(Eric Chomko) wrote: Mrs Ken Ehrett ) wrote: : On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:43:02 +0000 (UTC), : (Eric Chomko) wrote: : Mrs Ken Ehrett ) wrote: : : On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:17:24 +0000 (UTC), : : (Eric Chomko) wrote: : : : Rand Simberg ) wrote: : : : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:59:10 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away, : : : (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my : : : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: : : : : : Rand Simberg ) wrote: : : : : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400, in a place far, far away, Mrs Ken : : : : Ehrett made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a : : : : way as to indicate that: : : : : : : : On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:19:32 +0000 (UTC), : : : : (Eric Chomko) wrote: : : : : : : : : : " CIA employees names are not to be revealed despite the fact that : : : : : they are in the government. For you to claim otherwise makes it quite : : : : : clear ONI, despite that fact you claim to have been in the Navy, is : : : : : just another acronym. " : : : : : : : : I was referring to Fred having served in the Navy, but obviously not in : : : : the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). : : : : : : : : I know who you were referring to and I know about ONI. You seem : : : : enthralled with a lot of 3 letter acronyms yet you know little about : : : : what they are or what they do. : : : : : : : : I'm just curious, do you think everyone who served in the USN needs to : : : : have gone through ONI? : : : : : : : Eric's head is full of nonsense. He revels in it. : : : : : : Yet, I have a background in it due to family ties and Rand doesn't. Go : : : figure. : : : : : Yeah, go figure. And yet you didn't even know that Porter Goss had a : : : replacement, let alone who it is. : : : : I know exactly who he is. Mrs Ken Ehrett stated that DCI no longer exists : : replaced by DNI. I think s/he meant that the intel power no longer exists : : with DCI but with DNI and not that the position actually went away. : : : No I meant exactly what I said. The DCI position no longer exists. : : So what does General Michael Hayden do? : General Hayden is the Director of the CIA. Yes, no ****! So you admit that this position does exist now? I've never said otherwise Eric. The confusion on this question has always resided with you. : : It was replaced by the DNI [ Director of National Intelligence] . : : That is Negroponte. : : The Director of the CIA still exists but he no longer wears two caps. : : Right above you say, "The DCI position no longer exists", and the you say, : "The Director of the CIA still exists". Would you please make up your : mind! : Stop spewing spittle in all directions. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...l_Intelligence : "The Office of United States Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) : was established by U.S. President Harry Truman on January 23, 1946 : with Admiral Sidney Souers occupying the position. Until April 2005, : the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency served as the DCI, : coordinating intelligence activities among and between the various : United States intelligence agencies, also called the American : Intelligence Community. : After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States : and the subsequent investigation by the 9/11 Commission, a movement : grew to re-organize the Intelligence Community. That movement prompted : the creation of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, : in whose purview was the job portfolio that had been performed : previously by the Director of Central Intelligence. : On April 21, 2005 the Office of Director of Central Intelligence : ceased to exist and was replaced by the DNI. Porter J. Goss was the : 19th and final CIA Director to serve in the position of DCI. " So even spook wannabees know how to use wiki. I'm impressed. Spook wannabe? You? : : Negroponte is wears the DCI cap but they changed the name to DNI. : : Yes, yes... : : : And either you knew that and are being a twit, or you really missed the jist : : of the whole post. You, honestly thinking that I thought the DCI posistion : : of the CIA went away makes YOU the idiot, Rand... : : : There never was a DCI position of CIA. It always was a separate : : position apart from the CIA Director. : : Okay, what was Allen Dulles and who was his counterpart in your DCI and : CIA director, as different, scheme? : You know for someone who claims to post from ' University System of : Maryland ' you have a terrible grasp of how to use a search engine. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...l_Intelligence I wanted a name other than Allen Dulles. And you still can't figure out why? : : *********** have been added my me for emphasis. : : : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...ligence_Agency : : : Director of the Central Intelligence Agency : : : Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (D/CIA) serves as the head : : of the Central Intelligence Agency, which is part of the United States : : Intelligence Community. He reports to the Director of National : : Intelligence (DNI). The Director is assisted by the Deputy Director : : of the Central Intelligence Agency. : : : : *****Before April 21, 2005, the Director headed both the Intelligence : : Community and the Central Intelligence Agency as the Director of : : Central Intelligence (DCI). ******* : : So, CIA director and DCI ar the same damn thing! : No they're not "the same damn thing!" . Separate positions, separate : duties which up until 21April05 were held by the individual who was : the Director of the CIA. Being the head of the CIA meant that you were also the head of all of intel until the DNI role was creatd which took over the role of head of all of intel leaving top position within the CIA as a seperate and now less powerful post as compared to DNI. The CIA Directorship was always separate from the DCI position. That said it appears *some* of what I've been telling you for over a week has begun to sunk in. : : In addition he served as an advisor to the President of the United : : States on intelligence matters and was the statutory intelligence : : advisor to the National Security Council (NSC). On April 21, 2005, the : : Director of National Intelligence (DNI) took on the roles as head of : : the Intelligence Community and principal intelligence advisor to the : : President and the NSC. : : Fine. : : : ******The post of DCI was established in 1946 by President Truman; it : : thus predates the establishment of the Central Intelligence Agency : : (created by the National Security Act of 1947). ******* : : OSS and Wild Bill Donovan. My mother met him. : Wonderful. I much preferred Sir William Stephenson of the BSC. Did you meet him? Nope. Relevance? : : After the end of World War II, the Office of Strategic Services was : : dismantled and its functions were split between the Departments of : : State and War (now Defense). President Truman soon recognized the : : inefficiency of this arrangement and created the Central Intelligence : : Group, which could be considered a smaller precursor to the National : : Security Council. : : ...to collect and summarize all intelligence reports from various agencies : and report to the president. Plans? That's what I want you to tell me : about... : Sorry Eric. I'm not getting paid to be your professor nor am I : writing a book. You don't have an answer for plans as there really is no directive for it. It was hatched in some back room and taken over by a bunch of right wing crazies that decided which countries were worth saving and which ones should be toppled via cou d'etat, mostly based upon self-interest. Hinkle and Turner liken that part of the CIA to a gun that supoosedly belongs to the American people, that has more often than not been bought for hire as a mercenary force by the highest bidder. Look up PNAC for the current crop. : : *****The following year the National Security Act of 1947 created the : : Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council, while : : formally defining the duties of the Director of Central Intelligence. : : The duties of the DCI had been further defined over the years by : : tradition, congressional acts, and Executive Orders. ****** : : : ******A list of Directors of the Central Intelligence Agency (in : : chronological order): ******** : : : Director Tenure : : Michael Hayden May 30, 2006 - date : Any particular reason why you wrote the above? To show that like you I too can use the internet as a research tool. There wasn't any need for you to list it Eric. It was already in the cited material I gave you. I want to know what you know that is between the lines and not the sanitized version of everything that is mainstrean. Like plans, which you seem to simply dance away from... Danced? No, I simply didn't answer it. And you're going to have to live with my decision Eric. : : Porter J. Goss September 24, 2004 - May 26, 2006 : : Gen. Michael V. Hayden, USAF May 30, 2006 - Present : : Position replaced the Director of Central Intelligence : : : : *********Note: After April 21, 2005, the Director of the CIA is no : : longer the Director of Central Intelligence, and thus is referred to : : as the Director of the CIA only. ************ : : : Note: According to the CIA website on the D/CIA's, Porter Goss did not : : leave office until May 26, 2006. : : Whatever... : The bottom line Eric is you want to read a few books and think you : know all there is to know about the intel business and the intel : community. You don't, you won't, and you never will. It's the : nature of the beast. The Slendid Blond Beast. Yes, if I did know everything, then I'd be dead. Go ask folks like Danny Casalaro and JH Hatfield...oops, can't. : If you haven't already, try reading " A Man Called Intrepid" for : historical purposes, and then " Blind Man's Bluff". : Both entertaining, both factual. : Regards, Sarah Ehrett Thanks, I'll check the titles. They aren't from Regnery Publishing are they? Nope. Eric P.S. Something to ponder. During the Cold War the US and the USSR were the only two superpowers. As such they must have shared similar characteristics (i.e. space -on topic!). Is it correct then to say that the agency most similar to the CIA was the KGB by default, then? Why or why not? Fire up your search engine " Eric Chomko Spook Wannabee" !
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June 20th 06, 06:17 AM
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(Eric Chomko) wrote:
:Fred J. McCall ) wrote: :: (Eric Chomko) wrote: : :: :Rand Simberg ) wrote: :: :: On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:58:51 GMT, in a place far, far away, :: :: h (Rand Simberg) made the phosphor on my :: :: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: :: : :: :: Geez, I incorrectly assumed the guy was under arrest and being held :: :: downtown rather than under house arrest. Whoopty-do! :: :: :: :: Yes. Just as you incorrectly assume many things about almost :: :: everything on which you opine, few of which have any relationship with :: :: reality. No need for facts--assumptions are just fine for Eric :: :: Chomko. :: : :: :: I should also note that you continue to make the stupid assumption :: :: that he is under house arrest, with zero basis. :: : :: :Yet you're too lazy (as usual) to find out just how much movement and :: :under what circumstances he's allowed to move. : :: Then let me help. He can go wherever he wants to whenever he wants to :: as long as he shows up for trial. : :Where has he gone? Do you know? Nope. Don't care, either. Neither does the government. After a 9 minute hearing he was released on his own recognizance. No bond and he can go wherever he wants. :: You made a stupid statement and got caught, Eric. Then you tried to :: bury it by claiming some sort of 'house arrest', which is also wrong. : :Incorrect isn't necessarily stupid, No, but your continuous wriggling after the initial remark certainly qualifies your 'incorrect' as stupid. :but since you're the source of the :comment it figures. I'd rather be incorrect or even stupid as compared to :the mean, crass and nasty ******* that you are. Eric, you said something stupid for political effect. When you got called on it, you compounded the stupidity by trying to wriggle your way out.  id you actually beat your:wife? I'm not playing on words here with a damned if you did and damed if :you don't answer to the question; I'm really wondering if you beat your :wife! And so Eric segues from being merely stupid to being stupidly liable. This is why I don't seriously believe Eric has a job or any assets. If he did his mouth would have cost him enough by now so that he'd watch certain kinds of egregiously stupid remarks. :: There was a 9 minute hearing, he pled not guilt, and was released on :: his own recognizance. : :: Own it and move on. : :...until next spring when we'll see if he sings or not. : :Scooter Libby next spring, let's see if he'll sing, sing, sing... Do us all a favour, Eric. Try holding your breath.... -- "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." -- Socrates
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June 20th 06, 06:30 AM
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(Eric Chomko) wrote:
:Fred J. McCall ) wrote: :: (Eric Chomko) wrote: : :: :Fred J. McCall ) wrote: :: :: h (Rand Simberg) wrote: :: : :: :: :On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:28:52 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away, :: :: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my :: :: :monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: :: :: : :: :: :: : : :We'll see what Libby gets away with next spring. :: :: :: : :: :: :: : : Go read the charges, Eric. :: :: :: : :: :: :: : Lying. Why is he being held, Fred? Why isn't he at home? :: :: :: :: :: :: : He's not at home? Where is he? :: :: :: :: :: :: At home in McLean, VA :: :: : :: :: :: In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about (as usual). :: :: : :: :: :He'll be in court in early 2007, right? :: :: : :: :: :You still haven't explained why you asked why he wasn't at home, when :: :: :he was at home. You can't just sweep sand over this like cat turds, :: :: :Eric. :: : :: :: Of course he can't, Rand. That's why you don't killfile him and do :: :: killfile me. It's easy to make El Chimpo look stupid. :: : :: :Yet you're killfiled like the scurvy dog that you are... : :: And he keeps you around because you're so easy to make look stupid. : :Yes, I'm so crushed I go away. Only in our dreams, Eric. Only in our dreams. o you think kissing Rand's ass with comments like the one above will get:you out of his killfile? Your so transparent... Uh, Eric? Since I'm in his killfile Rand doesn't see them (unless someone like you stupidly echoes them). Only you would be so clever as to think I gave a **** what Rand thinks AND would think that I'm somehow trying to 'kiss up' by saying things RAND DOESN'T SEE! Jesus, you're a real rocket scientist, aren't you? :: :: :And you think he's innocent to :: :: :don't you Rand? :: :: : :: :: :I have no idea. For all I know, he did lie to the grand jury, since :: :: :that's all he's been charged with. It may be a hard case for the :: ::  rosecutor to win, though, and it's going to make many members of the:: :: ress look pretty bad when all the conflicting stories come out.:: :: :: :: Oh, I expect he'll get convicted of SOMETHING. I also expect that :: :: they'll drag it out to try to make it peak in the latter half of 2008. :: : :: :Who is they? So the Dems used independent counsels for political gains and :: :the Republicans don't is that it, Fred? : :: Well, if you're going to make **** up and pretend it was said, I :: suppose we're done here. : :Run, like the dog you are... Run? You're having a debate with YOURSELF, Eric. What's there to run from? :: :A sickness to partisanship is what has created this latest GOP swell. See :: :the sins of the other side and ignore the sins of those on my side. THAT :: :is the Republican way! :: :: No, the culture of the victim is your way. Poor Eric. The cry of the :: three year old. "They did it too!" : :More like payback is hell. You don't know who you're posting with... snicker Unfortunately for you, Eric, what you are is obvious to pretty much everyone. :: Yeah, that makes it all better. : :It isn't about looking bstter it is about what is. Impeachment over lying :about sex while Bin Laden and Al Qeada were planning 9/11 deserves some :fallout on the right. Sorry, but THAT is the way it's going to be. You :deserve nothing less. Eric, I'd ask what the **** you think you're talking about, but I really don't care. :: :: Nope. Nothing political about THIS investigation, no sir! :: : :: :And Clinton's witchhunt was justified, right? Go on Fred tell me how :: :Clinton's case was all about proper justice and this Libby ordeal is a :: artisan ruse by the Dems. Go ahead, I dare you!:: :: Ok. I will. :: :: Clinton got impeached. Libby has 5 minor charges that amount to less :: than Clinton was accused of. : :...until he starts naming names. And why's he going to do that, Eric? :: I'd tell you to figure it out at this point, but I know you can't. :: :: :: :: : You do nothing to clarify. Why doesn't more gasohol make us less dependent :: :: :: : on foriegn oil? :: :: :: :: :: :: : Because it takes more fossil fuels in fertilizer to grow the corn to :: :: :: : make it than the resulting alcohol contains, energetically. :: :: :: :: :: :: Fossil fuels in fertilizer? I think mistake your bull**** with gasoline. :: :: : :: :: :: No, once again you demonstrate your ignorance. :: :: : :: :: :Are you trying to say that it requires the expenditure of more fossil :: :: :fuels to grow corn than the corn produces gasohol of equal value? :: :: : :: :: :No, I'm not trying to say that. I'm saying that. I say that because :: :: :it's true. :: : :: :: Whether or not that's true rather depends on whose numbers you think :: :: are right. Studies are about evenly split and cover a broad range of :: :: values. Ho (1989), Pimentel (1991), and Keeney and DeLuca (1992) all :: :: arrive at the conclusion that it costs more energy to produce a gallon :: :: of ethanol from corn than you get when you burn the ethanol. On the :: :: other hand, Marland and Turhollow (1991), Morris and Ahmed (1992), and :: :: Shapouri, Duffield and Graboski (1995) come to the opposite :: :: conclusion. :: : :: :Let's makes enough and see where it goes. If it isn't cost effective then :: :we stop. :: :: And how much evidence does it take before you admit "it isn't cost :: effective"? : :One year of time. Eric, you dumbass, we ALREADY produce *3,000,000,000* gallons of ethanol in this country, year in and year out. You've had your year and then some. :: :The key is the govt. must first foot the bill : :: Why? The government didn't foot the bill for petroleum. : :Yes they did, it's called the "War in Iraq" and we are still paying there :and at the pump. Hint: If it was 'all about oil' we'd have declared war on Canada. They're closer, we get more oil from them than from anyone else, and the women are generally friendlier. :Bush's energy policy is to allow Big Oil to do whatever they want and :he'll go along with it. Some leadership. Luckily they have useful idiots :like you that blindly support them. Reading the preceding, it's pretty obvious that the only blind person here is you. Facts just never intrude on Planet Chomko.... :: :and then stop is :: :there is loss or turn over the profit making potenial to private :: :insdustry. : :: At which point you and your ilk will be screaming about how the :: government is giving stuff away to business. : :Yeah, like we did with the internet... moron... Wait for it. They're not charging you based on traffic yet, Eric. :We like when govt. turns things over to the private sector as it generates :tax revenue. You just want a tax break. 'We'? You got a turd in your pocket? Who you want 'em to turn it over to, Eric? The oil companies? :: :Bush, being tied to Big Oil by the hip, won't do it! He's an oil :: :businessman first that moonlights as a politician. The whole damn :: :administration is like that! We, the People, are second in the mind's of :: :this administration. And second at best! : :: I see that reality still doesn't intrude for you. Bush has done more :: to push ethanol as a fuel than anyone before him. You merely deny the :: facts. : :Push ethanol? What like defending Argentina? You're a joke, McClod... Factual rebuttal? Not in ChomkoWorld. :: :: In general, studies that conclude the balance is positive in favour of :: :: ethanol assume low energy costs for conversion (Marland and :: :: Turhollow), high values for the co-product energy credit (Shapouri, :: :: Duffield and Graboski), or both (Morris and Ahmed). In the latter two :: :: studies the co=product energy credit was responsible for virtually all :: :: of the net positive energy for a gallon of ethanol. They also tend to :: :: assume lower fertilizer usage rates (which are probably in accord with :: :: current practice) and higher crop yields. :: : :: :Hold the studies and simply try it for a year. See what happens. :: :: Eric, we produce ethanol NOW. The studies look at the numbers from :: that. : :But we don't produce anything nearly enough to make gas become cheaper. We :still pay $3 or more at the pump for fossil fuel. And about $5 per gallon for ethanol, you dumb *******. Eric, could you JUST ONCE have a clue what the **** you're talking about? :: :: If there is a net positive energy gain in producing a gallon of :: :: ethanol from corn, it is quite small. :: : :: :Again why not just try it? HAve the govt. sponsor it initially and then :: :stop if it is a loss or turn it over to private industry when it succeeds. :: :: One more time. Read the following closely: :: :: WE ALREADY PRODUCE OVER 3,000,000,000 GALLONS OF ETHANOL IN THIS :: COUNTRY. THE ENERGY USED TO PRODUCE IT IS ROUGHLY EQUAL TO THE ENERGY :: THE ETHANOL CONTAINS. : :Rand said it was more. Go figure... Depends on which study you go with. It's pretty much a lose without an 'associated product credit'. :: Is it starting to sink in yet, Eric? Calls to 'just try it for a :: while' merely display your ignorance. : :Yet you have no cites or references. You remind me of the crowd that says :there is no such thing as Global Warming. More right-wing-speak... I posted cites to six studies, you dumb *******. They're the six preeminent studies of the issue. I can't MAKE you go read them and I certainly can't endow you with the ability to understand what you read. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Drudge: Spy satellites watch Americans from space
(Eric Chomko) wrote:
:Mrs Ken Ehrett ) wrote: :: On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:43:02 +0000 (UTC), :: (Eric Chomko) wrote: : :: Mrs Ken Ehrett ) wrote: :: : On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:17:24 +0000 (UTC), :: : (Eric Chomko) wrote: :: :: : Rand Simberg ) wrote: :: : : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:59:10 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away, :: : : (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my :: : : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: :: : :: : : Rand Simberg ) wrote: :: : : : On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400, in a place far, far away, Mrs Ken :: : : : Ehrett made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a :: : : : way as to indicate that: :: : : :: : : : On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:19:32 +0000 (UTC), :: : : : (Eric Chomko) wrote: :: : : : :: : : : : " CIA employees names are not to be revealed despite the fact that :: : : : : they are in the government. For you to claim otherwise makes it quite :: : : : : clear ONI, despite that fact you claim to have been in the Navy, is :: : : : : just another acronym. " :: : : : :: : : : I was referring to Fred having served in the Navy, but obviously not in :: : : : the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). :: : : : :: : : : I know who you were referring to and I know about ONI. You seem :: : : : enthralled with a lot of 3 letter acronyms yet you know little about :: : : : what they are or what they do. :: : : : :: : : : I'm just curious, do you think everyone who served in the USN needs to :: : : : have gone through ONI? :: : : :: : : : Eric's head is full of nonsense. He revels in it. :: : : :: : : Yet, I have a background in it due to family ties and Rand doesn't. Go :: : : figure. :: : :: : : Yeah, go figure. And yet you didn't even know that Porter Goss had a :: : : replacement, let alone who it is. :: : :: : I know exactly who he is. Mrs Ken Ehrett stated that DCI no longer exists :: : replaced by DNI. I think s/he meant that the intel power no longer exists :: : with DCI but with DNI and not that the position actually went away. :: :: : No I meant exactly what I said. The DCI position no longer exists. :: :: So what does General Michael Hayden do? : :: General Hayden is the Director of the CIA. : :Yes, no ****! So you admit that this position does exist now? DCI is not Director CIA, you dumb ****. :: : It was replaced by the DNI [ Director of National Intelligence] . :: :: That is Negroponte. : :: : The Director of the CIA still exists but he no longer wears two caps. :: :: Right above you say, "The DCI position no longer exists", and the you say, :: "The Director of the CIA still exists". Would you please make up your :: mind! : :: Stop spewing spittle in all directions. : :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...l_Intelligence : :: "The Office of United States Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) :: was established by U.S. President Harry Truman on January 23, 1946 :: with Admiral Sidney Souers occupying the position. Until April 2005, :: the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency served as the DCI, :: coordinating intelligence activities among and between the various :: United States intelligence agencies, also called the American :: Intelligence Community. : :: After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States :: and the subsequent investigation by the 9/11 Commission, a movement :: grew to re-organize the Intelligence Community. That movement prompted :: the creation of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, :: in whose purview was the job portfolio that had been performed :: previously by the Director of Central Intelligence. : :: On April 21, 2005 the Office of Director of Central Intelligence :: ceased to exist and was replaced by the DNI. Porter J. Goss was the :: 19th and final CIA Director to serve in the position of DCI. " : :So even spook wannabees know how to use wiki. I'm impressed. But you manage to not read what it says. I'm not impressed at all, but it's what I expect from you. Remaining Chomko-Idiocy elided -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson
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