Bush to announce new missions to moon

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Jorge R. Frank ) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: :

: Scott Hedrick ) wrote:
:
: : Gee- if we hadn't ****ed away so much money supporting our "partners"
: : because Clinton insisted on it, we might have been able to spend more
: : money on shuttle maintenance. After all *Clinton* produced 8 budgets,
: : why didn't he provide more money?
:
: Well, the shuttle didn't fall apart while he was president.

: Of course not. But he did a good job of setting the stage for it. I take it
: you haven't actually read the CAIB report. Sections 5.3 and 5.4 make clear
: that Clinton/Goldin-era workforce and budget cuts were contributors.

I have the report. Have I read it cover to cover like you? No. But, I 'll
check the exact wording regarding budget cutbacks under Bush and Goldin.

Eric

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Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On 19 Jan 2004 03:14:48 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Jorge R.
: Frank" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
: such a way as to indicate that:


: I give Carter credit for allowing the shuttle to go forward, which it
: did.
:
: Whoop-te-do.

: I wonder if Eric also gives Carter credit for trimming the fleet size
: from seven to four...

Given the frequency that they fly one would worked.

: No, I'll leave the oversimplifications to you. If subtlety is too much for
: you,

: It invariably is. Even blunt facts generally just bounce off.

Yes, when facts don't fit your agenda, then it's time to change the facts.

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:04:08 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:


: : No, the additional redundancy provided by the Russians has made the station
: : more survivable. But that has nothing to do with the reasons why Clinton
: : brought them in (ISS cost reduction, foreign aid to Russia, provide an
: : incentive for Russia not to sell nuclear tech to Iran), all of which
: : failed.
:
: Better to have them with us in space rather than at odds in a cold war,
: no?

: The Cold War was already over when that decision was made--it had no
: effect on that.

But while we had a cold war we still had Apollo-Soyuz. Go figure! I guess
even the best laid plans to keep the war going allowed us to move forward
in space, jointly.

: : : and Carter *not* cancelling a Republican space
: : : initiative (STS) when he had the chance. That's pretty pathetic, if
: : : you ask me. On the other hand, I can certainly understand why you'd
: : : *want* to change the subject... :-)
: :
: : Did W mention his space plan last night in the SOU at all?!?!
:
: : No, but he had introduced it in a standalone speech only six days before,
: : and gave the topic a lot more time in that speech than he possibly could
: : have given it at the SOU. Since NASA hasn't fleshed out any details of the
: : program beyond what was given in the first speech, any mention in the SOU
: : would have been superfluous.
:
: Would it now? I kind of think his lack of mentioning space makes the
: speech six days earlier more the suspect.

: Yes, but then you kind of "think" (to be generous with the word) that
: everything he does is "suspect." No rational person would think so.

Rational people are going to vote his ass out of office this fall.

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:48:22 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : Gee- if we hadn't ****ed away so much money supporting our "partners"
: : because Clinton insisted on it, we might have been able to spend more money
: : on shuttle maintenance. After all *Clinton* produced 8 budgets, why didn't
: : he provide more money?
:
: Well, the shuttle didn't fall apart while he was president.

: Eric, do you really believe that presidents have any influence over
: whether or not launch accidents occur? Do you believe that he makes
: the rain fall and the crops grow too?


No, but I'm pretty sure if we had a lousy crop yied and drought, the
president would suffer during election time.

Eric

Scott Hedrick wrote:

If a person want to live in a
: tar-paper shack, why shouldn't they be permitted to do so?

Because that shack could have an effect on a neighbor.


Such as?

Do you think

building codes are dumb?


Do you think the value of a code is determined by the number of rules?

Do you want to toss out the National Electric

Code and have any joker wire up his house the way he sees fit?


If that joker wants to live in that house, *why should his freedom to do so
be curtailed*?

A house not conforming to code can have effects on a neighbor. A badly
wired home is a fire hazard. Bad plumbing, a health hazard. I'd think
this was very obvious.



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Scott Hedrick wrote:

All of which the oil barrens want to rob with their defense contractor
buddies.


As opposed to continuing to rob the pockets of the taxpayers to spend still
more on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.


Yes, Bush is doing that too.

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Eric Chomko ) wrote:
: Scott Hedrick ) wrote:

: : "Eric Chomko" wrote in message
[...major snippage...]

: : : Modern rocketry require a larger budget than indivduals
: : : can afford.
: :
: : : Form a club. It worked for the Germans. If enough people are interested
: : : money won't be a problem.
: :
: : I don't have good beer and a nice beer garden like Hitler did.

: : Woohoo! We have a winner! You have officially invoked Hitler, thus proving
: : you are a net kook. Under USENET rules, you lose.


I see you meant the German Rocket Club with members like Oberth and Von
Braun.

Could you imagine launching the equivalent of a V2 in modern America, by a
"club", after 9-11?!?

You'd have every agency police dept from the FBI to the local boy scouts
on your tail!!

Eric

Hop David ) wrote:


: Scott Hedrick wrote:

: If a person want to live in a
: : tar-paper shack, why shouldn't they be permitted to do so?
:
: Because that shack could have an effect on a neighbor.
:
:
: Such as?
:
: Do you think
:
: building codes are dumb?
:
:
: Do you think the value of a code is determined by the number of rules?
:
: Do you want to toss out the National Electric
:
: Code and have any joker wire up his house the way he sees fit?
:
:
: If that joker wants to live in that house, *why should his freedom to do so
: be curtailed*?

: A house not conforming to code can have effects on a neighbor. A badly
: wired home is a fire hazard. Bad plumbing, a health hazard. I'd think
: this was very obvious.


My point exactly. I have no idea why Scott would argue otherwise.

Eric

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(Henry Spencer) writes:

A slight change in subject here, but how does Wallops Island fit into all
this? I understand they have an unmanned lauch facility there as well...

It got started as a place where the Langley researchers could launch small
rockets for flight experiments. It eventually acquired a small orbital
capability with the Scout launcher.

It also houses downlink facilities for NOAA; or so all the signs said
when I visited...

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