Multistage TLI...another thought on EOR

liked the article, and I suspect that the EOR/LOR approach
using the Stick will be how NASA actually returns to the moon
(if it ever does). It seems unlikely to me that the big booster
will ever be funded because NASA will probably spend massive
gobs of unplanned money just getting the CEV and CLV flying.
- Ed Kyle

Yeah, that seems likely, but I hate the Stick! The idea of launching
people on a single SRB just sounds stupid to me, the Stick looks like
an accident waiting to happen! Just my gut feeling.

Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

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There is only one (maybe 2) basic core reasons for humans to go
beyond LEO, That is for the establishment of space settlements or a
space based civilization. Everything else are details.

Gary Gray 11/9/2005

Space Cadet wrote:
liked the article, and I suspect that the EOR/LOR approach
using the Stick will be how NASA actually returns to the moon
(if it ever does). It seems unlikely to me that the big booster
will ever be funded because NASA will probably spend massive
gobs of unplanned money just getting the CEV and CLV flying.
- Ed Kyle

Yeah, that seems likely, but I hate the Stick! The idea of launching
people on a single SRB just sounds stupid to me, the Stick looks like
an accident waiting to happen! Just my gut feeling.

Every space launch, whether fueled by liquid or solid
propellants, is an accident waiting to happen. If you
look hard at the data, shuttle SRBs actually have
demonstrated a very low failure rate compared to
comparable liquid boosters.

- Ed Kyle

Every space launch, whether fueled by liquid or solid
propellants, is an accident waiting to happen. If you
look hard at the data, shuttle SRBs actually have
demonstrated a very low failure rate compared to
comparable liquid boosters.

- Ed Kyle

Well, I guess your right, but I'm not in a hurry to put my but on
it...It still gives me the willies
It looks ugly, well like that is really relevant
But we are back to putting all are eggs in one basket, as far as HSF,
first the shuttle, now the CLV
At least with a smaller CEV that could be launched on either EELV(and
later Falcon ## or whatever other LV comes on market/available) you
could switch it to another LV if a problem grounds the first.


Just My $0.02

Space Cadet

"Ed Kyle" wrote in message
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Space Cadet wrote:
liked the article, and I suspect that the EOR/LOR approach
using the Stick will be how NASA actually returns to the moon
(if it ever does). It seems unlikely to me that the big booster
will ever be funded because NASA will probably spend massive
gobs of unplanned money just getting the CEV and CLV flying.
- Ed Kyle

Yeah, that seems likely, but I hate the Stick! The idea of launching
people on a single SRB just sounds stupid to me, the Stick looks like
an accident waiting to happen! Just my gut feeling.

Every space launch, whether fueled by liquid or solid
propellants, is an accident waiting to happen. If you
look hard at the data, shuttle SRBs actually have
demonstrated a very low failure rate compared to
comparable liquid boosters.

- Ed Kyle


The observed failure rate of the SRB's is about the the same as liquid
propellant stages, around 1 in 200.

Murray Anderson

Murray Anderson wrote:
"Ed Kyle" wrote in message
oups.com...
Space Cadet wrote:
liked the article, and I suspect that the EOR/LOR approach
using the Stick will be how NASA actually returns to the moon
(if it ever does). It seems unlikely to me that the big booster
will ever be funded because NASA will probably spend massive
gobs of unplanned money just getting the CEV and CLV flying.
- Ed Kyle

Yeah, that seems likely, but I hate the Stick! The idea of launching
people on a single SRB just sounds stupid to me, the Stick looks like
an accident waiting to happen! Just my gut feeling.

Every space launch, whether fueled by liquid or solid
propellants, is an accident waiting to happen. If you
look hard at the data, shuttle SRBs actually have
demonstrated a very low failure rate compared to
comparable liquid boosters.

- Ed Kyle


The observed failure rate of the SRB's is about the the same as liquid
propellant stages, around 1 in 200.

Murray Anderson

But the failure rate of *comparable* liquid boosters is much worse.

Proton 1st stage 7 failures out of 318 launches
Zenit 1st stage 2 failures out of 54
Delta IV-H: One launch, one failure of the three cores needed to equal
CLV payload

Will McLean

Originally Posted by Will McLean

Murray Anderson wrote:
"Ed Kyle" wrote in message
oups.com...
Space Cadet wrote:
liked the article, and I suspect that the EOR/LOR approach
using the Stick will be how NASA actually returns to the moon
(if it ever does). It seems unlikely to me that the big booster
will ever be funded because NASA will probably spend massive
gobs of unplanned money just getting the CEV and CLV flying.
- Ed Kyle

Yeah, that seems likely, but I hate the Stick! The idea of launching
people on a single SRB just sounds stupid to me, the Stick looks like
an accident waiting to happen! Just my gut feeling.

Every space launch, whether fueled by liquid or solid
propellants, is an accident waiting to happen. If you
look hard at the data, shuttle SRBs actually have
demonstrated a very low failure rate compared to
comparable liquid boosters.

- Ed Kyle


The observed failure rate of the SRB's is about the the same as liquid
propellant stages, around 1 in 200.

Murray Anderson

But the failure rate of *comparable* liquid boosters is much worse.

Proton 1st stage 7 failures out of 318 launches
Zenit 1st stage 2 failures out of 54
Delta IV-H: One launch, one failure of the three cores needed to equal
CLV payload

Will McLean

Yes! and 25 Ariane5 launches, 50 EAP launches and 0% failure...

Space Cadet wrote:

liked the article, and I suspect that the EOR/LOR approach
using the Stick will be how NASA actually returns to the moon
(if it ever does). It seems unlikely to me that the big booster
will ever be funded because NASA will probably spend massive
gobs of unplanned money just getting the CEV and CLV flying.



Yeah, that seems likely, but I hate the Stick! The idea of launching
people on a single SRB just sounds stupid to me, the Stick looks like
an accident waiting to happen! Just my gut feeling.



Wow, we agree!

The Schtick er ... Schlock ... has to be the all time WORST EVER NASA
MISSION!

Almost, but not quite, as bad as throwing away SSMEs in a HLV.

And George Bush and Michael Griffin get all the credit!

KILL ESAS - LITERALLY!

It's the humane thing to do.

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