I'm Writing Fiction about the Moon: Some Basic Questions!

k2director wrote:

I'm doing some fiction writing about the moon, and was curious about a
couple of things. Was wondering if anyone could shed light on these
questions!

1) Is the moon iluminated only by light reflected from the Earth? I
tried to imagine that, but can't imagine if the moon rotates the
earth every month, how it doesn't get direct sunlight at some point.
Ie, come between the Earth and Sun and therefore get direct sunlight
on the lunar side opposite the Earth.

2) Is one side of the moon always in darkness and is that side
unchanging? In other words, if you were to plant a flag on the dark
side of the moon, would that flag always be in darkness during the
moon's rotation around the earth, and its own axis rotation?

3) Is it possible to be on one side of the moon that can't see the
Earth, but still gets some kind of light either reflected from Earth
or the sun? I'm working on a story that involves a character not
being able to see our planet from his vantage point, but does that
mean the character will be in pure darkness?

Any answers very much appreciated! THank you....

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The historic "Dark side of the moon" used dark to mean _unknown_,
since one side always faces the earth (this is the same way
Africa was refered to as the dark continent). Since pictures
were taken during the 1960's, terms like "far side" have become
more common.

"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
...
Niko Holm wrote:
Why dont you base your book an a fictional moon which has a fictional
planet
it orbits on a fictional orbit in a fictional star system? This will
make
you seem like less of a dumbass... like Rand Simberg and Brett Buck
mentioned, do some drawings, its not hard, and work out a possible way
that
this moon of yours can obey your 'rules' in the book... Its dangerous
doing
a fiction book on a non-fiction stage... you still need to be
believable,
so, like I said, make it ALL fictional...

uhh... I don't think such a moon can exist at all - well, not such a moon
which one side always faced the planet, anyways.

Actually if you had a moon tidal locked to a planet that was tidal locked to
its sun, you could have an interesting situation.




Best of luck...

Oh and if you want to be precise about our moon, its lunar month is 27.3
days... but who's counting?

Niko


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Sander

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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message
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"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
...
Niko Holm wrote:
Why dont you base your book an a fictional moon which has a fictional
planet
it orbits on a fictional orbit in a fictional star system? This will
make
you seem like less of a dumbass... like Rand Simberg and Brett Buck
mentioned, do some drawings, its not hard, and work out a possible way
that
this moon of yours can obey your 'rules' in the book... Its dangerous
doing
a fiction book on a non-fiction stage... you still need to be
believable,
so, like I said, make it ALL fictional...

uhh... I don't think such a moon can exist at all - well, not such a
moon
which one side always faced the planet, anyways.

Actually if you had a moon tidal locked to a planet that was tidal locked
to
its sun, you could have an interesting situation.

If such a planet could support life, I wonder what life would be like. The
dark side might have creatures like emperor penguins which lay their eggs
under such hellish cold conditions that no predator would even think about
stealing those eggs. The dark side might also have creatures like Darth
Vader.

"Mike Rhino" wrote in message
...

Actually if you had a moon tidal locked to a planet that was tidal
locked
to
its sun, you could have an interesting situation.

If such a planet could support life, I wonder what life would be like.
The
dark side might have creatures like emperor penguins which lay their eggs
under such hellish cold conditions that no predator would even think about
stealing those eggs. The dark side might also have creatures like Darth
Vader.


Yeah, it could be interesting.

The other posibility is a moon in retrograde rotation to its orbit. So the
same size always faces the sun, but a different face is obseverable from the
planet.

Eric Chomko wrote:
Sander Vesik ) wrote:
: Niko Holm wrote:
: Why dont you base your book an a fictional moon which has a fictional planet
: it orbits on a fictional orbit in a fictional star system? This will make
: you seem like less of a dumbass... like Rand Simberg and Brett Buck
: mentioned, do some drawings, its not hard, and work out a possible way that
: this moon of yours can obey your 'rules' in the book... Its dangerous doing
: a fiction book on a non-fiction stage... you still need to be believable,
: so, like I said, make it ALL fictional...

: uhh... I don't think such a moon can exist at all - well, not such a moon
: which one side always faced the planet, anyways.

Actually our moon is exactly like that WRT the earth. Only one side of our
moon faces the earth. It is in what is called a synchronous rotation. The
earth's gravational force is so strong in comparison to the moon's ability
to rotate that its period of rotation is equal to its orbital period.
Synchronous rotation is not at all rare.

Did you actually read the original mail???? I'mnot doubting synchronous orbiting,
I'm doubting synchoronous orbiting where one side of the moon doesn't get light
from either the planet or the star.


Eric


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Sander

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Mike Rhino wrote:

If such a planet could support life, I wonder what life would be like. The
dark side might have creatures like emperor penguins which lay their eggs
under such hellish cold conditions that no predator would even think about
stealing those eggs. The dark side might also have creatures like Darth
Vader.


The dark and bright sides would probably not support life, it would be
concentrated in a narrow boundary along the "equator" or similar. The
weather patterns on such a plant would be fun I think 8-)



--
Sander

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I can't say for certain that I've found a more despicable group of
NASA Borgs than you'll discover right here, but as for anything having
to do with practical notions for the likes of accomplishing anything
lunar, or with the likes of obtaining lunar he3, or even on behalf of
exposing Brown's Gas (2h2o2) and/or h2o2 well get you similar
orchestrated flak as I've received upon anything lunar or even Venus
related.

You shouldn't have to be writing fiction about our moon, though since
our Apollo missions accomplished so damn little, there's certainly
room for speculations on just about anything you can think of.

The following is an extract of what's been posted, and subsequently
I'm receiving flak from all directions, especially with anything moon
related.

I believe Don Lancaster was way before myself with this sort of
reference to Einstein, whereas Einstein remarked; "Great spirits have
always met violent opposition from mediocre minds"

Thereby, in order to please those "mediocre minds", how about we apply
a little of Yull Brown's well documented and truthful physics
technology, along with a few modern electrolytic zirconium membranes,
just to see if we can't manage to create and/or extract pure h2o2
without getting ourselves blown to bits.

Since even Yull Browns efforts essentially further proved that "energy
in = energy out", as that which created the 2h2o2, if we continued
along the lines of what the original process created as Brown's Gas,
how hard could it possibly be for obtaining just plain old h2o2?

If energy in = energy out, thereby the process of creating, separating
and/or improving the purity of h2o2 should be worth the effort. After
all, the h2o2 along with a small amount of c12h26 should be just the
ticket for powering up the lunar LM-1 exploration bus, or of powering
the likes of a shuttle/airship explorer that could effectively
aerodynamic navigate itself through the crystal clear CO2 ocean of
Venus.

In either lunar or the Venus environments, the energy derived by the
IRRC engine(s) would offer an efficient solution that's relatively
clean burning, while obtaining a good deal of energy density, a key
element in doing business in such environments.

This page is partly about the applications of such energy for a good
cause, and/or as a result of achieving contact with others we need to
be aware of:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm

Whereas these following offer more on the LM-1 application:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lm-1.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-irrce.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-h2o2-irrce.htm

This report is having mostly to do with the reasons why we need a good
mechanical energy solution for accessing lunar he3 before others do:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lse-he3.htm

This unfortunate page is mostly about what went so terribly wrong:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm

Brad Guth ) wrote:
: I can't say for certain that I've found a more despicable group of
: NASA Borgs than you'll discover right here, but as for anything having
: to do with practical notions for the likes of accomplishing anything
: lunar, or with the likes of obtaining lunar he3, or even on behalf of
: exposing Brown's Gas (2h2o2) and/or h2o2 well get you similar
: orchestrated flak as I've received upon anything lunar or even Venus
: related.

NASA Borgs? What did you get rejected looking for a job there because
you're too weird even by NASA standards?

: You shouldn't have to be writing fiction about our moon, though since
: our Apollo missions accomplished so damn little, there's certainly
: room for speculations on just about anything you can think of.

Apollo accomplished so little as compared to what? Lief Erickson as
compared to Columbus?

Your generalizations lack a clear reference frame. But then again the way
you think reference frames are not needed in the first place. I think you
need a good dose of Martin Heidegger.

: The following is an extract of what's been posted, and subsequently
: I'm receiving flak from all directions, especially with anything moon
: related.

: I believe Don Lancaster was way before myself with this sort of
: reference to Einstein, whereas Einstein remarked; "Great spirits have
: always met violent opposition from mediocre minds"

I think this refers to folks like Galileo and Cupernicus.

: Thereby, in order to please those "mediocre minds", how about we apply
: a little of Yull Brown's well documented and truthful physics
: technology, along with a few modern electrolytic zirconium membranes,
: just to see if we can't manage to create and/or extract pure h2o2
: without getting ourselves blown to bits.

: Since even Yull Browns efforts essentially further proved that "energy
: in = energy out", as that which created the 2h2o2, if we continued
: along the lines of what the original process created as Brown's Gas,
: how hard could it possibly be for obtaining just plain old h2o2?

: If energy in = energy out, thereby the process of creating, separating
: and/or improving the purity of h2o2 should be worth the effort. After
: all, the h2o2 along with a small amount of c12h26 should be just the
: ticket for powering up the lunar LM-1 exploration bus, or of powering
: the likes of a shuttle/airship explorer that could effectively
: aerodynamic navigate itself through the crystal clear CO2 ocean of
: Venus.

That dense atmosphere could very easily cause opitical problems with the
senors.

: In either lunar or the Venus environments, the energy derived by the
: IRRC engine(s) would offer an efficient solution that's relatively
: clean burning, while obtaining a good deal of energy density, a key
: element in doing business in such environments.

: This page is partly about the applications of such energy for a good
: cause, and/or as a result of achieving contact with others we need to
: be aware of:
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm



: Whereas these following offer more on the LM-1 application:
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lm-1.htm
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-irrce.htm
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-h2o2-irrce.htm

: This report is having mostly to do with the reasons why we need a good
: mechanical energy solution for accessing lunar he3 before others do:
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lse-he3.htm

: This unfortunate page is mostly about what went so terribly wrong:
: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm

"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote in
:

Actually if you had a moon tidal locked to a planet that was tidal
locked to its sun, you could have an interesting situation.

I have a hard time believing that this could occur. The moon couldn't
really be said to "orbit" it's planet, could it? It would really be more
like two nearby bodies co-orbiting their sun, and I'm betting that would be
an unstable configuration.

(Brad Guth) wrote in
om:

navigate itself through the crystal clear CO2 ocean of Venus.

???