~ * An evening stroll ...

Rising Loonie wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.
They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html


It seems that many of the regular posters in alt.astronomy are
struggling with something or other in their own lives: personal
tragedy, poverty, loneliness, etc. So any of us could, if hit hard
enough on a day when we're already down, be "pushed over the edge"!
That's why I wish that AUK would just stay out of here and mind their
own damned business!

Double-A

THAT is exactly the reason which I mentioned the Formosa rule in the
first place in the begining of July. Apparently, Art thought that I
wished it applied specifically to myself. I thought that I was just
being cold shouldered. Most effective, btw!

Only after Art dropped the 'hint' did I go looking for the thread and
put together what had happened. I was so impressed by the way that
'auk' handled it combined by the steadfastness that they held to their
decision that I am left with no alternative but to accept it and
respect it for what it is.


Shows they can be rational when they want to be.


Double-A, you are discovering for yourself what I already realize about
the Formosa Rule and the consequences that surround it. I feel quite
bound out of respect concerning what happened to say no more one way or
another. To do otherwise would be wrong for me. It ceased to be my
prerogative. ... assuming that it ever was so.

Rising Loonie


Well, the worst they can do is reconsider the matter.

It has been their long term goal to pick us off one by one. First they
gave Twittering an award, then you. They tried to nominate me. They
did nominate alt.astronomy as a group. They nominated Paine last
month, and nominated nightbat this month. Now they have expanded that
nomination to the whole group because I echoed your idea of adding
"support" to the group name, but they don't want to mention you in
their reasoning. They would like to get Bert, but can't get him to
crosspost, which is their way of presenting candidates to their group.

We should stick together and vote in their elections. As far as I know
I'm the only one from alt.astronomy doing that. As I recall there were
only about 30 voters last month. Our votes could have an impact.
Someone running unopposed has to get 2/3 yes votes to win. Don't worry
about if you are qualified to vote under their rules, just cast your
ballet and let PJR do his job and decide which votes to count. He
seems to be fair minded as far I've observed him.

Let's stick up for each other and not let them walk all over us!

Double-A

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

Raving Loonie wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.
They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html

It seems that many of the regular posters in alt.astronomy are
struggling with something or other in their own lives: personal
tragedy, poverty, loneliness, etc. So any of us could, if hit hard
enough on a day when we're already down, be "pushed over the edge"!
That's why I wish that AUK would just stay out of here and mind their
own damned business!

Double-A

nightbat

Not to worry Officer Twitty just stow file them and wala they
are gone with the wind. Do not let anyone interfere with your happiness
least of all usenet kooks. If you need help stow filing all the auk
sockpuppets I'm sure Officer Double-A will be happy to show you how.

Captain out,
the nightbat


I don't think it is possible to killfile when reading newsgroups with
Google.

Double-A

nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

Raving Loonie wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.
They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html

It seems that many of the regular posters in alt.astronomy are
struggling with something or other in their own lives: personal
tragedy, poverty, loneliness, etc. So any of us could, if hit hard
enough on a day when we're already down, be "pushed over the edge"!
That's why I wish that AUK would just stay out of here and mind their
own damned business!

Double-A

nightbat

Not to worry Officer Twitty just stow file them and wala they
are gone with the wind. Do not let anyone interfere with your happiness
least of all usenet kooks. If you need help stow filing all the auk
sockpuppets I'm sure Officer Double-A will be happy to show you how.

Captain out,
the nightbat

Double-A
I don't think it is possible to killfile when reading newsgroups with
Google.

Double-A

nightbat

I see Officer Double-A, then just advise Team Members to use a
private news service that does permit you to stow file whomever you
like. Happiness is very important, don't let anyone negative evade or
compromise it.

carry on,
the nightbat

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:45:20 -0500, nightbat
wrote:

nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

Raving Loonie wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.

AUK is troller trash. Leave that bait hanging.

They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html

It seems that many of the regular posters in alt.astronomy are
struggling with something or other in their own lives: personal
tragedy, poverty, loneliness, etc. So any of us could, if hit hard
enough on a day when we're already down, be "pushed over the edge"!
That's why I wish that AUK would just stay out of here and mind their
own damned business!

Double-A

nightbat

Not to worry Officer Twitty just stow file them and wala they
are gone with the wind. Do not let anyone interfere with your happiness
least of all usenet kooks. If you need help stow filing all the auk
sockpuppets I'm sure Officer Double-A will be happy to show you how.

Captain out,
the nightbat

Double-A
I don't think it is possible to killfile when reading newsgroups with
Google.

Double-A

nightbat

I see Officer Double-A, then just advise Team Members to use a
private news service that does permit you to stow file whomever you
like. Happiness is very important, don't let anyone negative evade or
compromise it.

carry on,
the nightbat

You get up early, NB with words of wisdom spoken about happiness.
There's no need to let negativity enter this space.

_g

nightbat wrote

george of the jungle wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:45:20 -0500, nightbat
wrote:

nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

Raving Loonie wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.

AUK is troller trash. Leave that bait hanging.

They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html

It seems that many of the regular posters in alt.astronomy are
struggling with something or other in their own lives: personal
tragedy, poverty, loneliness, etc. So any of us could, if hit hard
enough on a day when we're already down, be "pushed over the edge"!
That's why I wish that AUK would just stay out of here and mind their
own damned business!

Double-A

nightbat

Not to worry Officer Twitty just stow file them and wala they
are gone with the wind. Do not let anyone interfere with your happiness
least of all usenet kooks. If you need help stow filing all the auk
sockpuppets I'm sure Officer Double-A will be happy to show you how.

Captain out,
the nightbat

Double-A
I don't think it is possible to killfile when reading newsgroups with
Google.

Double-A

nightbat

I see Officer Double-A, then just advise Team Members to use a
private news service that does permit you to stow file whomever you
like. Happiness is very important, don't let anyone negative evade or
compromise it.

carry on,
the nightbat


_g
You get up early, NB with words of wisdom spoken about happiness.
There's no need to let negativity enter this space.

_g

nightbat

Good morning _g and normally I net fly all night, trying to
mutually help those fellow star gazers. How is it over there in
Paradise? Maybe you can help Officer Ray for he seems so Hawaii blue.
Last time I was in Hawaii I never wanted to leave. If we finally get
that Darla Starship, ha, ha, ha, that's one place I definitely want to
go back to.

clear skies,
the nightbat

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:18:21 -0500, nightbat
wrote:

nightbat wrote

george of the jungle wrote:

_g
You get up early, NB with words of wisdom spoken about happiness.
There's no need to let negativity enter this space.

_g

nightbat

Good morning _g and normally I net fly all night, trying to
mutually help those fellow star gazers. How is it over there in
Paradise? Maybe you can help Officer Ray for he seems so Hawaii blue.
Last time I was in Hawaii I never wanted to leave. If we finally get
that Darla Starship, ha, ha, ha, that's one place I definitely want to
go back to.

clear skies,
the nightbat

It's a cool and mostly clear night. Luminous cumulus clouds float
past the waning moon. Stargazing is limited by moonlight. Conditions
are ideal for travelling but this is a hard place to leave.

Sound sleep was broken by an errant call from an accidentally dialed
phone.

Aloha,
George

nightbat wrote

george of the jungle wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:18:21 -0500, nightbat
wrote:

nightbat wrote

george of the jungle wrote:

_g
You get up early, NB with words of wisdom spoken about happiness.
There's no need to let negativity enter this space.

_g

nightbat

Good morning _g and normally I net fly all night, trying to
mutually help those fellow star gazers. How is it over there in
Paradise? Maybe you can help Officer Ray for he seems so Hawaii blue.
Last time I was in Hawaii I never wanted to leave. If we finally get
that Darla Starship, ha, ha, ha, that's one place I definitely want to
go back to.

clear skies,
the nightbat

_g
It's a cool and mostly clear night. Luminous cumulus clouds float
past the waning moon. Stargazing is limited by moonlight. Conditions
are ideal for travelling but this is a hard place to leave.

Sound sleep was broken by an errant call from an accidentally dialed
phone.

Aloha,
George

nightbat

Sounds nice, I'll make a Captain note to hopefully visit you and
Starship pick you up if you like and we'll hopefully see the stars up
close. You lucky islander bet Officer Ray is all smiles just thinking
about it. When you have been alt.astronomy here a while hopefully you'll
get to meet our Darla Star Race visitors. Well, I'll let you go back to
paradise sleep while the rest of us can only dream about it for now. And
thanks for your report, later.

ponder on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

Raving Loonie wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.
They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html

It seems that many of the regular posters in alt.astronomy are
struggling with something or other in their own lives: personal
tragedy, poverty, loneliness, etc. So any of us could, if hit hard
enough on a day when we're already down, be "pushed over the edge"!
That's why I wish that AUK would just stay out of here and mind their
own damned business!

Double-A

nightbat

Not to worry Officer Twitty just stow file them and wala they
are gone with the wind. Do not let anyone interfere with your happiness
least of all usenet kooks. If you need help stow filing all the auk
sockpuppets I'm sure Officer Double-A will be happy to show you how.

Captain out,
the nightbat

Double-A
I don't think it is possible to killfile when reading newsgroups with
Google.

Double-A

nightbat

I see Officer Double-A, then just advise Team Members to use a
private news service that does permit you to stow file whomever you
like. Happiness is very important, don't let anyone negative evade or
compromise it.

carry on,
the nightbat


nightbat,

Twittering uses AOL as her ISP. Some months back, AOL pulled the plug
on their Usenet private news service. That's why she now uses Google.

Double-A

Raving Loonie wrote:

Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.
They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html


RL -- I feel compelled to tell you that you are not "persona non grata"
with regard to AUK; strictly speaking, all Formosa's rule means is that
a person is ineligible for awards, and any nominations are
automatically rejected.

The reason for this is closely related to the taboo about support
groups. As you are no doubt probably aware, people who use support
groups have real problems and it is therefore considered highly
unethical to poke people in them. This is why it is standard practice
to sneck support groups from posts. There are some real nutcases who
get perverse satisfaction from trolling their slime in support groups.
Tommy "Tosser" Bishop is one, if I'm not mistaken.

In other words, poking people on usenet should not cause them to harm
themselves or others, or add to already existing personal problems.

Obviously, application of Formosa's rule comes down to judgement calls;
kookologists are generally not mental health professionals, and have
only a very limited amount of information to make such determinations,
i.e. the electronic characters people choose to send out via usenet.
The few cases I've seen applied, the choice has been to err on the side
of caution.

One recent example is Herc (or "|-|erc"), the Australian entity who is
apparently convinced that he is the real-life version of the "Truman",
from the movie "The Truman Show", and that the U.S. Government uses
lots of satellite resources to beam mind control directly toward him.
He won quite a few kook awards earlier this year, but later was ruled
ineligible after a long discussion of what his mental state really
might be (available in the archives if you want to see the details).

http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/search.php?query=herc

As a result, people to whom the rule has been applied tend to be
ignored by AUK'ers not because of any hard-and-fast taboo, but merely
because no one wants to cause anyone serious harm. Besides, there are
more than enough targets elsewhere. At the present time, kookology
resources are being devoted to Warhol the religio-mythology kook, to
the nazibigot slime that infest soc.culture.israel (revd, heinrich, ben
cramer, giwer), and to the soc.men whiners.

I do hope this helps clarify the situation. If I've gotten anything
badly wrong, I'm sure there will be others to correct me.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler

"Don't be too envious. Yes, I have got it all. I am rich, I
have a good education, and I am rather good looking .. so
where does that leave you?
C."
-- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne polishes his ego a bit

"That's what you expect from people who think that the
cyberworld isn't "RL"."
-- Dr. David Tholen, Psychic Astrologer

"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004

Art Deco wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:

Double-A wrote:
Raving Loonie wrote:
Twittering One wrote:
"Know any good 'Troller Trash' ?"
~ Raving


Trawler Trash(fish)?



"Please explain."
~ Folly

Don't know any, T1. Thought that you might be more enlightened than
myself. That's why I was asking. ...

Perhaps someone should post the request-for-information in
alt.usenet.kooks.
They ought to be more familiar with the material which is available ?

I am personna non grata, therein ....

RL


Lucky you!

Will you never be satisfied?

Double-A

Being sincere, now ...
I am becoming somewhat piqued that events between myself and AUK are
proceeding in a manner which is disquietingly similar and familiar to
other significant events in my life.

AUK is wary of me for good reason. They sense what may be coming ...

' A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is
absolutely fatal. '

~ O. Wilde http://www.bartleby.com/66/46/64346.html


RL -- I feel compelled to tell you that you are not "persona non grata"
with regard to AUK; strictly speaking, all Formosa's rule means is that
a person is ineligible for awards, and any nominations are
automatically rejected.

The reason for this is closely related to the taboo about support
groups. As you are no doubt probably aware, people who use support
groups have real problems and it is therefore considered highly
unethical to poke people in them. This is why it is standard practice
to sneck support groups from posts. There are some real nutcases who
get perverse satisfaction from trolling their slime in support groups.
Tommy "Tosser" Bishop is one, if I'm not mistaken.

In other words, poking people on usenet should not cause them to harm
themselves or others, or add to already existing personal problems.

Obviously, application of Formosa's rule comes down to judgement calls;
kookologists are generally not mental health professionals, and have
only a very limited amount of information to make such determinations,
i.e. the electronic characters people choose to send out via usenet.
The few cases I've seen applied, the choice has been to err on the side
of caution.

One recent example is Herc (or "|-|erc"), the Australian entity who is
apparently convinced that he is the real-life version of the "Truman",
from the movie "The Truman Show", and that the U.S. Government uses
lots of satellite resources to beam mind control directly toward him.
He won quite a few kook awards earlier this year, but later was ruled
ineligible after a long discussion of what his mental state really
might be (available in the archives if you want to see the details).

http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/search.php?query=herc

As a result, people to whom the rule has been applied tend to be
ignored by AUK'ers not because of any hard-and-fast taboo, but merely
because no one wants to cause anyone serious harm. Besides, there are
more than enough targets elsewhere. At the present time, kookology
resources are being devoted to Warhol the religio-mythology kook, to
the nazibigot slime that infest soc.culture.israel (revd, heinrich, ben
cramer, giwer), and to the soc.men whiners.

I do hope this helps clarify the situation. If I've gotten anything
badly wrong, I'm sure there will be others to correct me.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler


Is that really you, Art?

You have a brain!

So why don't you use it and make intelligent posts more often and be a
credit to the group, not a liability?

Respect us, and we will respect you.

A lot of people here that you see as only kooks have tragedy in their
lives. nightbat just lost his wife. Perhaps the Darla fantasies help
him deal with his loss. Bert's wife just had a stroke, and now she is
an invalid. Others here are struggling with poverty, etc.
alt.astonomy gives them a place to come alive and forget their problems
for a little while. What's so bad about that?

Most of what goes on in alt.astronomy is pretty harmless. Like you
said, there are nazi bigots out there. There are also people trying to
sell crackpot books full of lies, and profiteer of Usenet folks. There
are people being disruptive and threatening people's lives. Did you
know that Twittering's life has been threatened? So yes, I can see a
legitimate function for AUK in shining a spotlight of shame on some of
these Usenet low lives. But picking on people in alt.astronomy just
because there is some fun fantasy stuff going on is wrong. Please
reconsider your decision to focus on alt.astronomy.

Double-A