EOR with Stick

On 13 Jul 2005 14:18:17 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Ed Kyle"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

Tom Cuddihy wrote:
As for crew and cargo, the crew will already
have just completed a ride atop tens of tons
of such propellant - and will be docking to more
tens of tons of it, so a few more tons shouldn't
matter as long as good safeties and escape
options are available.

- Ed Kyle

yes, except for it goes directly against what Griffen has testified
multiple times to Congress, that crew should be separated from cargo.

After Challenger, satellite payloads were gradually
transitioned off shuttle to be launched by expendable
boosters. The thinking was that, since shuttle had
turned out to be more hazardous than originally
believed, anything that could be launch without
a crew, should. The effect was to vastly cut the
total number of shuttle missions. Consider that
before Challenger one of the biggest shuttle jobs was
going to be launch of the GPS satellite constellation!

But of course, crew and "cargo" (stuff in the
shuttle payload pay) have flown together on every
single space shuttle flight since Challenger, and
this will happen during the CEV era to some extent.

Yes, this whole notion about it somehow being unsafe to mix crew and
cargo is really quite brainless.

Rand Simberg wrote:
On 13 Jul 2005 14:18:17 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Ed Kyle"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

Tom Cuddihy wrote:
As for crew and cargo, the crew will already
have just completed a ride atop tens of tons
of such propellant - and will be docking to more
tens of tons of it, so a few more tons shouldn't
matter as long as good safeties and escape
options are available.

- Ed Kyle

yes, except for it goes directly against what Griffen has testified
multiple times to Congress, that crew should be separated from cargo.

After Challenger, satellite payloads were gradually
transitioned off shuttle to be launched by expendable
boosters. The thinking was that, since shuttle had
turned out to be more hazardous than originally
believed, anything that could be launch without
a crew, should. The effect was to vastly cut the
total number of shuttle missions. Consider that
before Challenger one of the biggest shuttle jobs was
going to be launch of the GPS satellite constellation!

But of course, crew and "cargo" (stuff in the
shuttle payload pay) have flown together on every
single space shuttle flight since Challenger, and
this will happen during the CEV era to some extent.

Yes, this whole notion about it somehow being unsafe to mix crew and
cargo is really quite brainless.

when did common sense enter our space policy?