Early heliocentricity

Most websites take a level headed look at the emergence of
heliocentricity even in this era where the point of departure is only
to attack denominational Christianity and the rising dominance of
empirical science or the 'scientific method'.


http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...eliocentricity


In turning Copernican heliocentricity back on itself to become a
contemporary non descript homocentric convenience,no commentators has
ever traced the departure from pure heliocentricity based on the
motions of the Earth infering a heliocentric center to a
quasi-geocentric view where a stationary Earth is again a valid
perspective.

" That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun.

This proportion, first observed by Kepler, is now received by all
astronomers; for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of
the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or
the earth about the sun."

http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm



"[Editor's note: by "the sesquiplicate proportion" Newton means
what we should express by the 3/2 power. This is his way of expressing
Kepler's third law, which he ascertained from Flamsteed to be
empirically correct.]



This proportion has been long ago observed in those satellits. And Mr.
Flamsteed, who had often measured their distances from Jupiter by the
micrometer, and by the eclipses of the satellits, worte to me, that it
holds to all the accuracy that possibly can be discerned by our senses.
And he sent me the dimensions of their orbits taken by the micrometer
and reduced to the mean distance of Jupiter from the Earth or from the
Sun, together with the times of their revolutions, as follows:"

http://vms.cc.wmich.edu/~mcgrew/NSystem.htm


The words of Newton are tangled together in mistakes and inappropriate
maneuvering,it is easy to spare the reader the forensic task of what
Flamsteed's agenda was as opposed to Newton's but the result above is
that you do get elongations and shortening of planetary orbits off
mean Sun Earth distances just like ballistics but the
geocentric/heliocentric orbital equivalency is a remarkable feat of
unethical maneuvering.

Basically you cannot fit this Newtonian monstrosity -

http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/a...dereal_day.gif

Into Keplerian heliocentric framework and motion -

http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronom...ages/04f15.jpg


Newton give you a clockwork solar system alright,it existed only in
his own mind and it replaced such exquisite astronomical reasoning
that even today it is heartbreaking to see the difference between the
first heliocentrists and his unethical maneuver to suit his empirical
purposes.

On 4 Jul 2005 14:38:33 -0700, wrote:

Most websites take a level headed look at the emergence of
heliocentricity even in this era where the point of departure is only
to attack denominational Christianity and the rising dominance of
empirical science or the 'scientific method'.
--- Plonk! ---

wrote:
Most websites take a level headed look at the emergence of
heliocentricity even in this era where the point of departure is only
to attack denominational Christianity and the rising dominance of
empirical science or the 'scientific method'.



http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...s/****Com.html

"Sam Wormley" wrote in message
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wrote:
Most websites take a level headed look at the emergence of
heliocentricity even in this era where the point of departure is only
to attack denominational Christianity and the rising dominance of
empirical science or the 'scientific method'.

http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...s/****Com.html

Fun site. This was my favorite:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...elescopic.html

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
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Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/

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Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ATM_Optics_Software/

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just ignore and save the meta-troll PLONK?



Jim Attfield wrote:

On 4 Jul 2005 14:38:33 -0700, wrote:

Most websites take a level headed look at the emergence of
heliocentricity even in this era where the point of departure is only
to attack denominational Christianity and the rising dominance of
empirical science or the 'scientific method'.
--- Plonk! ---

Jim Attfield wrote:
On 4 Jul 2005 14:38:33 -0700, wrote:

Most websites take a level headed look at the emergence of
heliocentricity even in this era where the point of departure is only
to attack denominational Christianity and the rising dominance of
empirical science or the 'scientific method'.
--- Plonk! ---

"For to the earth they appear sometimes direct, sometimes stationary,
nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen
direct, and to proceed with a motion nearly uniform, that is to say, a
little swifter in the perihelion and a little slower in the aphelion
distances,"

http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm



To agree with Newton you have to disagree with all the early
heliocentrists

http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy...tro_photo.html

Retrograde motion is not resolved by introducing a speculative observer
on the Sun but directly from the Earth's orbital motion which infers
heliocentricity.The inner orbital circuit of the Earth bypasses the
orbital motions of Jupiter and Saturn so that Newton's inference that
retrograde motion is resolved from a framehopping observer is a
incredibly poor substitute and ultimately wrong the way he formatted
it.

The great astronomers had their insights destroyed and their exquisite
reasoning mangled for it takes an astronomer (leave the telescope aside
gentlemen) to resolve retrograde motion through the Earth's orbital
motion thus infering heliocentricity and that is it,no observer on the
Sun or geocentric/heliocentric orbital equivalencies,just plain
unadulterated perception of the Earth taking a faster/inner orbital
circuit to the outer planets -

http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy...tro_photo.html

Let us see who is an astronomer and knows the difference between the
early heliocentrists and Newton.

To Sam

I have told Dirk many times that I have been rewarded a thousand times
for that,it takes a minute to see that Dirk did'nt recognise the 1905
'****' by Albert but relativists are not normal people and by some type
of reasoning he attempts to conceal that he did'nt realise it was
Albert's '****' I was quoting from.

You all are diseased for defending a fictional 1898 'Time Machine'
novel -

"'Really this is what is meant by the Fourth Dimension, though some
people who talk about the Fourth Dimension do not know they mean it. It
is only another way of looking at Time. There is no difference between
time and any of the three dimensions of space except that our
consciousness moves along it. But some foolish people have got hold of
the wrong side of that idea. You have all heard what they have to say
about this Fourth Dimension?'"

http://www.bartleby.com/1000/1.html

The Piltdown Man fake proved to be an incredible joke for some
but,more importantly,for others it proved to be an incredible obstacle
for genuine investigation but the fake emerged not from the hoaxer but
from people using wishful thinking to force the 'first Englishman'
into existence with cricket bat and all.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/piltdown2003.html

The whodunnit of 'Time Machine' is of course Isaac,the first guy to go
framehopping -

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun."

Dear,oh dear,oh dear !.

Hope it does'nt take 40 years like it did for Piltdown Man while you
and your colleagues hope that you are dead before things get rectified.

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:56:18 -0500, CLT wrote
(in article ):

"Sam Wormley" wrote in message
news:Izjye.121696$x96.33266@attbi_s72...
wrote:
Most websites take a level headed look at the emergence of
heliocentricity even in this era where the point of departure is only
to attack denominational Christianity and the rising dominance of
empirical science or the 'scientific method'.

http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...s/****Com.html

Fun site. This was my favorite:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...elescopic.html

Arrrrggg! That was horrid! My brain hurts.

Thanks for posting that, now I won't worry too much about making a stupid
post, nothing could out-do that one.

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Harry F. Leopold
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