Moon last night (14 June) with Canon 350D Large File

On 15 Jun 2005 09:19:14 -0700, wrote:

A better approach would be to offer some words of encouragement and
suggestions for improvement.

An even better approach would be to improve a bit then post images.

It depends on how you perceive why people post. If you think it's
because they are saying - "Hey look at my image it's the best there
is" then I would agree. However, most post because they are proud of
what they have done but would welcome constructive criticism. There
are different levels of competence and different interpretations of
quality. I think most would be agreeable to a bit of advice and
pointing in the right direction - I know I am.

It's very negative to just jump in and say something's poor. It
destroys the confidence of the poster and probably puts off others
that would post if only for a bit of advice. Astronomy should not be
an elitist sport. You have a lot of knowledge - so share it (possibly
with some examples of your own).

--
Pete
http://www.digitalsky.org.uk

Pete Lawrence wrote:
On 15 Jun 2005 09:19:14 -0700, wrote:

A better approach would be to offer some words of encouragement and
suggestions for improvement.

An even better approach would be to improve a bit then post images.

It depends on how you perceive why people post. If you think it's
because they are saying - "Hey look at my image it's the best there
is" then I would agree. However, most post because they are proud of
what they have done but would welcome constructive criticism. There
are different levels of competence and different interpretations of
quality. I think most would be agreeable to a bit of advice and
pointing in the right direction - I know I am.

Well, I guess we see things in a rather different way, shall I say. I'm
always astonished by people lack of self-criticism (or they won't post
such horrors).


It's very negative to just jump in and say something's poor. It
destroys the confidence of the poster and probably puts off others
that would post if only for a bit of advice. Astronomy should not be
an elitist sport. You have a lot of knowledge - so share it (possibly
with some examples of your own).

Maybe, but I never refused giving or taking an advice. OTOH I find
quite difficult lying...

Andrea T.

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Maybe, but I never refused giving or taking an advice. OTOH I find
quite difficult lying...

But you didn't _give_ advice - you just said 'poor focus' which,
frankly, was bloody obvious and didn't need pointing out.

I find it quite refreshing to find that not everyone who posts image
links here is a superb imager - yet.

Jim
--
Find me at http://www.ursaminorbeta.co.uk AIM/iChatAV: JCAndrew2
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Jim wrote:
wrote:

Maybe, but I never refused giving or taking an advice. OTOH I find
quite difficult lying...

But you didn't _give_ advice - you just said 'poor focus' which,
frankly, was bloody obvious and didn't need pointing out.

I do give advice if ask to do so. I wasn't. Were I him I would check
whether I need a prescription for glasses or a check of the current
one.


I find it quite refreshing to find that not everyone who posts image
links here is a superb imager - yet.

So you don't feel alone?

Andrea T.

In article .com, wrote:


Jim wrote:
wrote:

Maybe, but I never refused giving or taking an advice. OTOH I find
quite difficult lying...

But you didn't _give_ advice - you just said 'poor focus' which,
frankly, was bloody obvious and didn't need pointing out.

I do give advice if ask to do so. I wasn't.

So why post at all? If all you're going to post is an insult, don't
bother. It's not constructive.



I find it quite refreshing to find that not everyone who posts image
links here is a superb imager - yet.

So you don't feel alone?

Nope. This is uk.sci.astronomy, not uk.astro-imaging.snobs

Jim
--
Find me at http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk
"The voices that control me from inside my head
Say I shouldn't kill you yet." - Jonathan Coulton, 'Skullcrusher Mountain'

wrote:
Pete Lawrence wrote:
On 15 Jun 2005 09:19:14 -0700, wrote:

A better approach would be to offer some words of encouragement and
suggestions for improvement.

An even better approach would be to improve a bit then post images.

It depends on how you perceive why people post. If you think it's
because they are saying - "Hey look at my image it's the best there
is" then I would agree. However, most post because they are proud of
what they have done but would welcome constructive criticism. There
are different levels of competence and different interpretations of
quality. I think most would be agreeable to a bit of advice and
pointing in the right direction - I know I am.

Well, I guess we see things in a rather different way, shall I say. I'm
always astonished by people lack of self-criticism (or they won't post
such horrors).

I'm astonished at how some people can only judge others by their own
standards. I expect your images are **** compared to Hubble's, but you
carry on. Why do you bother imaging when you can see something better
on the web from Hubble, Keck or any number of bigger and better scopes
than you can ever hope to own?

Perfection may be the ultimate aim (up there with world peace and a
cure for cancer), but that doesn't mean we can't take pleasure in
creating something we know is imperfect, but which is an improvement
over what we did last week.


Tim
--
Don't tell me I'm still on that feckin' island!

Tim Auton wrote:
wrote:
Pete Lawrence wrote:
On 15 Jun 2005 09:19:14 -0700, wrote:

A better approach would be to offer some words of encouragement and
suggestions for improvement.

An even better approach would be to improve a bit then post images.

It depends on how you perceive why people post. If you think it's
because they are saying - "Hey look at my image it's the best there
is" then I would agree. However, most post because they are proud of
what they have done but would welcome constructive criticism. There
are different levels of competence and different interpretations of
quality. I think most would be agreeable to a bit of advice and
pointing in the right direction - I know I am.

Well, I guess we see things in a rather different way, shall I say. I'm
always astonished by people lack of self-criticism (or they won't post
such horrors).

I'm astonished at how some people can only judge others by their own
standards.

Do you judge people by someone-else's standard???

I expect your images are **** compared to Hubble's, but you
carry on.

They're pretty nice for a 0.2m UK lowland-based scope under a thick
atmosphere compared to a 2.5m scope hanging out there in the void.

OTOH, those (posted) images are **** any way you look at them.

Why do you bother imaging when you can see something better
on the web from Hubble, Keck or any number of bigger and better scopes
than you can ever hope to own?

Because I haven't got an Hubble or Keck to play with. I just have few
lousy aperture-challenged scopes you see...


Perfection may be the ultimate aim (up there with world peace and a
cure for cancer), but that doesn't mean we can't take pleasure in
creating something we know is imperfect, but which is an improvement
over what we did last week.

And you have to dump it over here?

Andrea T.

wrote:
Tim Auton wrote:
wrote:
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Well, I guess we see things in a rather different way, shall I say. I'm
always astonished by people lack of self-criticism (or they won't post
such horrors).

I'm astonished at how some people can only judge others by their own
standards.

Do you judge people by someone-else's standard???

Yes. At least, I try to 'put myself in their shoes'. Usually I fail,
but I manage to keep my judgment to myself unless I see a pressing
reason not to. Life is too short for me to shout '******' at every
driver of a 1.1 Corsa with a body-kit, tell people who watch soaps
they are wasting their lives and tell people how to build their
websites. I've learnt that there is a big chunk of the population I
just don't understand, so provided they don't impede me I let them do
their thing while I do mine. I just let it go.

Why do you go to the effort of posting your negative comments about
other people's images? If it's to try and educate them you are very,
very poor at it. Is simply ignoring threads related to images you
don't consider worthwhile too much effort?


Tim
--
Don't tell me I'm still on that feckin' island!

Good question. I usually don't bother but once in a while I just do it.
Hit 1 to educate 100.

Andrea T.

I do hope this is out of character Andrea?

It strikes me as appalling that someone can't post "such horrors" (as
you put it) without being jumped on. The fact that you didn't offer
Chris any advice on improving his technique by calling on your vast
experience only compounds the horror of your own posts in this thread.
Shall we put your insensitivity down to tiredness from too many hours
at the telescope?

I'm not convinced that digital cameras can always manage the trick of
getting a sharp focus through a telescope. My own Sony goes crackers if
I try and use spot focus. Though it usually does reasonably well on
normal automatic focussing. But I still prefer to set my camera to
infinity when my taking my handheld moon and planetary "snaps". My
camera even seems to be able to cope with my near one diopter lack of
accomodation. No doubt the infinity setting is insensitive to focussing
errrors. Those who use spectacles should remember to keep their glasses
on for critical focussing. Or the telescope will be at a focus setting
that matches your prescription.

Camera shake is also a problem when taking pictures through any
telescope. Taking twenty shots and picking the best works for me.
Sometimes I can't even find a good shot amongst the twenty I take
despite having a massive mount and pier supporting my telescope. So I
take fifty more and hope. My best horrors satisfy me. Few as they are
amongst the 2 gigs of snaps on my hard drive.

Keep up the good work Chris. Every great journey starts with a single
step. Just beware of serpents on the path! ;-)

Chris.B