Everybody's Going to the Moon

Richard Alger,
I believe that you're exactly correct, and in more freaking ways than
even the two of us can count. India is just as capable and just as
entitled to the vast riches of the moon as per warlord GW Bush and his
ENRON borgs. Although, I believe that China and/or possibly
China/Russia are going to make this one into a real knock-down drag-out
run for the money quest of all times, and for a perfectly good reason
at that.

By eventually having the LSE-CM/ISS established on the near-side is the
total win-win answer as to dozens of technical as well as profit
related issues, not to mention the ultimate star-wars solution that'll
kick and/or fry serious butts just about anywhere back here on Earth,
and/or otherwise help to defend mother Earth from NEOs by focusing
those dozen or so 100 GW laser cannons upon whatever's headed our way.

The moon and of the ME-L1 mutual gravity-well or tidal nullification
zone is entirely up for grabs, and it's entirely a first come first
served basis, as in finders keepers and thereby becoming the spacelord
over whomever is operating whatever should become the LSE-CM/ISS and of
everything other that's associated. Unfortunately, and unlike the ESE
fiasco, there can be only one such gravity-well based 'Lunar Space
Elevator', however many levels of what's directly below the ME-L1.1
(that's roughly 64,000 km off the lunar deck) and of whatever's between
that CM/ISS and along the tether dipole element and certainly of it's
termination platform that's reaching to within 50,000 km of mother
Earth (much closer if you'd dare, as it's certainly technically
possible to safely cruise the fully interactive star-wars and energy
transferring laser cannon loaded platform to within 1,000 km, which
would still avoid the vast majority of existing and proposed future
satellites) is what counts.

Unlike the ESE fiasco that's little more than the usual dog-wagging
spendy pie in the sky, as well as for remaining as nearly undefendable,
did I mention those multiple 100 GW laser cannons which could vaporise
any stinking satellite or any other natural substance coming anywhere
near the LSE and dipole tethers, within that of an AI/robotic
auto-defend split second. Of course, any one of those available 100 GW
laser cannons could accidently vaporise our WhiteHouse (preferably with
GW Bush inside while on a live televised feed) much like we'd
accidently used one of our best GPS guided and otherwise fully
interactively controlled cruise-missile as to take out a Chinese
embassy, or even that of our Boeing/TRW ABL (Phantom Works) to target
track and even thermal energy-transfer practice upon a returning
shuttle (gee whiz, what could possibly go wrong with any of that?).

Once the lunar based basalt processing is in full swing, then
eventually other centrifugal based LSEs can be efficiently accommodated
and safely coexist, such as for the back-side (EM-L2) should become
extremely interesting for astronomy/science and for interplanetary
considerations, and perhaps eventually nearly as valuable as per the
near-side LSE that's focused upon Earth. The moon is also the key
communications platform for interplanetary as well as interstellar
communications, as why even bother going to such other places if we can
request a few digital postcards, and/or locally obtain those efficient
SAR 10 mm/pixel and of 16 bit resolution images of whatever's on the
surface of Saturn (at least technically that's perfectly doable if we
had such an extended base line and the backside LSE established, as per
that tether dipole extension is unlimited, worth at least worth 1e6
km).

Basic township situated upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Basic Lunar Space Elevator:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS topics:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Brad Guth wrote:
Richard Alger,
I believe that you're exactly correct, and in more freaking ways than
even the two of us can count. India is just as capable

Actually, India is nowhere near as capable as either China, Taiwan,
Singapore, or Japan. They've never supported manufacturing internally
and no real infrastructure for it.

and just as
entitled to the vast riches of the moon as per warlord GW Bush and his
ENRON borgs. Although, I believe that China and/or possibly
China/Russia are going to make this one into a real knock-down drag-out
run for the money quest of all times, and for a perfectly good reason
at that.

By eventually having the LSE-CM/ISS established on the near-side is the
total win-win answer as to dozens of technical as well as profit
related issues, not to mention the ultimate star-wars solution that'll
kick and/or fry serious butts just about anywhere back here on Earth,
and/or otherwise help to defend mother Earth from NEOs by focusing
those dozen or so 100 GW laser cannons upon whatever's headed our way.

If you've got control of the high ground, you don't need laser cannon.
Rocks will do quite well, and solar mirrors can become a serious threat.

The moon and of the ME-L1 mutual gravity-well or tidal nullification
zone is entirely up for grabs, and it's entirely a first come first
served basis, as in finders keepers and thereby becoming the spacelord
over whomever is operating whatever should become the LSE-CM/ISS and of
everything other that's associated. Unfortunately, and unlike the ESE
fiasco, there can be only one such gravity-well based 'Lunar Space
Elevator', however many levels of what's directly below the ME-L1.1
(that's roughly 64,000 km off the lunar deck) and of whatever's between
that CM/ISS and along the tether dipole element and certainly of it's
termination platform that's reaching to within 50,000 km of mother
Earth (much closer if you'd dare, as it's certainly technically
possible to safely cruise the fully interactive star-wars and energy
transferring laser cannon loaded platform to within 1,000 km, which
would still avoid the vast majority of existing and proposed future
satellites) is what counts.

Unlike the ESE fiasco that's little more than the usual dog-wagging
spendy pie in the sky, as well as for remaining as nearly undefendable,
did I mention those multiple 100 GW laser cannons which could vaporise
any stinking satellite or any other natural substance coming anywhere
near the LSE and dipole tethers, within that of an AI/robotic
auto-defend split second. Of course, any one of those available 100 GW
laser cannons could accidently vaporise our WhiteHouse (preferably with
GW Bush inside while on a live televised feed) much like we'd
accidently used one of our best GPS guided and otherwise fully
interactively controlled cruise-missile as to take out a Chinese
embassy, or even that of our Boeing/TRW ABL (Phantom Works) to target
track and even thermal energy-transfer practice upon a returning
shuttle (gee whiz, what could possibly go wrong with any of that?).

Once the lunar based basalt processing is in full swing, then
eventually other centrifugal based LSEs can be efficiently accommodated
and safely coexist, such as for the back-side (EM-L2) should become
extremely interesting for astronomy/science and for interplanetary
considerations, and perhaps eventually nearly as valuable as per the
near-side LSE that's focused upon Earth. The moon is also the key
communications platform for interplanetary as well as interstellar
communications, as why even bother going to such other places if we can
request a few digital postcards, and/or locally obtain those efficient
SAR 10 mm/pixel and of 16 bit resolution images of whatever's on the
surface of Saturn (at least technically that's perfectly doable if we
had such an extended base line and the backside LSE established, as per
that tether dipole extension is unlimited, worth at least worth 1e6
km).

Basic township situated upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Basic Lunar Space Elevator:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS topics:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm



--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:44:42 GMT, in a place far, far away, Bama Brian
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Brad Guth wrote:
Richard Alger,
I believe that you're exactly correct, and in more freaking ways than
even the two of us can count. India is just as capable

Actually, India is nowhere near as capable as either China, Taiwan,
Singapore, or Japan. They've never supported manufacturing internally
and no real infrastructure for it.

That must be why they've been launching satellites for a quarter of a
century, and Taiwan and Singapore have yet to do so.

Rand Simberg wrote:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:44:42 GMT, in a place far, far away, Bama Brian
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


Brad Guth wrote:

Richard Alger,
I believe that you're exactly correct, and in more freaking ways than
even the two of us can count. India is just as capable

Actually, India is nowhere near as capable as either China, Taiwan,
Singapore, or Japan. They've never supported manufacturing internally
and no real infrastructure for it.


That must be why they've been launching satellites for a quarter of a
century, and Taiwan and Singapore have yet to do so.

It takes more than space launches, Rand. Right now, Indian launches are
done on one-shot "ballistic" rockets whose technology is copied from
other countries. What is needed is a reusable launch vehicle that
doesn't require five metric tons of rupees to rebuild it by hand each
time it is used. That's something that nobody has as yet. Even the
Soviet shuttle was just a copy of our own.

--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 04:26:00 GMT, in a place far, far away, Bama Brian
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Actually, India is nowhere near as capable as either China, Taiwan,
Singapore, or Japan. They've never supported manufacturing internally
and no real infrastructure for it.


That must be why they've been launching satellites for a quarter of a
century, and Taiwan and Singapore have yet to do so.

It takes more than space launches, Rand. Right now, Indian launches are
done on one-shot "ballistic" rockets whose technology is copied from
other countries.

*Everyone* does that, no just India. Your sayng that Taiwan and
Singapore are more capable of spaceflight than India
remains...bizarre. And utterly unsupported.

Rand Simberg wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 04:26:00 GMT, in a place far, far away, Bama Brian
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


Actually, India is nowhere near as capable as either China, Taiwan,
Singapore, or Japan. They've never supported manufacturing internally
and no real infrastructure for it.


That must be why they've been launching satellites for a quarter of a
century, and Taiwan and Singapore have yet to do so.

It takes more than space launches, Rand. Right now, Indian launches are
done on one-shot "ballistic" rockets whose technology is copied from
other countries.


*Everyone* does that, no just India. Your sayng that Taiwan and
Singapore are more capable of spaceflight than India
remains...bizarre. And utterly unsupported.

I'm saying that Taiwan and Singapore have an industrial capacity where
India does not. China itself is in the process of bootstrapping itself
into the premiere industrial giant in the world. With industry comes
money; with money comes R&D; with R&D comes new ideas, such as reusable
launch vehicles. India does not have the infrastructure, although it is
now trying to build one.

The sole reason that neither Taiwan nor Singapore has a launch
capability is because neither country has seen sufficient ROI from an
industry that is a huge risk at start-up.

But if China paves the way, they may find a compelling reason to become
space-faring. After all, Taiwan and Singapore are giant plums that the
mainland Chinese would love to bring "home", just as Hong Kong was
brought back into the fold.

--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:48:07 GMT, in a place far, far away, Bama Brian
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Rand Simberg wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 04:26:00 GMT, in a place far, far away, Bama Brian
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


Actually, India is nowhere near as capable as either China, Taiwan,
Singapore, or Japan. They've never supported manufacturing internally
and no real infrastructure for it.


That must be why they've been launching satellites for a quarter of a
century, and Taiwan and Singapore have yet to do so.

It takes more than space launches, Rand. Right now, Indian launches are
done on one-shot "ballistic" rockets whose technology is copied from
other countries.


*Everyone* does that, no just India. Your sayng that Taiwan and
Singapore are more capable of spaceflight than India
remains...bizarre. And utterly unsupported.

I'm saying that Taiwan and Singapore have an industrial capacity where
India does not.

And yet they've been launching satellites for twenty-five years. How
do they do it?

Bama Brian wrote:

:It takes more than space launches, Rand. Right now, Indian launches are
:done on one-shot "ballistic" rockets whose technology is copied from
ther countries.

So do China, Japan, and just pretty much the entire rest of the
planet, Brian.

:What is needed is a reusable launch vehicle that
:doesn't require five metric tons of rupees to rebuild it by hand each
:time it is used. That's something that nobody has as yet. Even the
:Soviet shuttle was just a copy of our own.

Preposterous! The idea that the Soviet Buran is a 'copy' of the US
Shuttle has been exploded so many times that it is difficult to credit
that anyone could still believe it.

You might want to compa

1) Launch vehicles.

2) Crew size.

3) On-board engines.

Then you might want to consider that the general shape is pretty much
dictated by the requirements.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"Bama Brian; If you've got control of the high ground, you don't need
laser cannon. Rocks will do quite well, and solar mirrors can become a
serious threat."

I've mentioned a few hundred times about using moon rocks as deployed
away from the LSE-CM/ISS, as from that nifty vantage point it would be
extremely efficient to pulverise just about anywhere upon the moon with
sufficient impact velocity as to vaporise as much as a million fold
more of the moon per tonne of whatever moon-rock is utilized.

And, I totally agree that large solar farms of mylar mirrors would
really be impressive, at not only processing lunar basalt but for
frying as many butts on Earth as you'd like.

However, due to the nasty secondary hard-x-rays or photon recoil
aspects of being fully raw solar illuminated, the lunar surface
environment will remain somewhat off-limits, as even if you've got a
good stash of banked bone-marrow back home, it will not do you much
good if you're stuck on the moon without a good sized and thick walled
geode pocket to reside within.

However, residing within the CM/ISS that's tethered at perhaps 64,000
km above the lunar deck, your being surrounded by 50t/m2 worth of lunar
basalt placed into the massive sphere that's surrounding yourself, as
lo and behold you should be capable of holding onto your DNA/RNA for up
a year at a time without need of that banked bone marrow.

Basic township that's situated upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Basic LSE (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS topics:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Without further question;
India as well as anyone (especially China) can purchase and/or
partner-up with the likes of Russia, as I'm fairly certain Russia could
use the cash and/or trade for whatever, and India could certainly use
Russian expertise and all of the necessary launchers to boot.

At least I don't see any problems unless India intends to perpetrate
another phony baloney cold-war like what America did, that which has
cost humanity trillions, set humanity back nearly a century and almost
created WW-III (may yet accomplish just that if Russia helps others in
getting to the moon and establishing their LSE-CM/ISS rights before we
do).

If the argument is that we're not actually going to the moon simply
because none of those NASA/Apollo cows have ever managed to come home,
perhaps we should focus our talents and resources upon Venus before
Russia/ESA and their Venus-EXPRESS kicks our butt.

Here's a little something other that's been bothering the holy heck out
of my efforts at my overthrowing the world and thereby kicking some
serious NASA and resident warlord butts.

The following topic is yet another lose cannon shot at those insisting
that their Earth is flat and that the likes of Cathars deserved to be
exterminated, much like how our resident warlord (GW Bush) as been in
extermination of Islamics and otherwise keeping his keen watchful borg
eye out for those Muslim WMD.

Censorship of ET truth and nothing but the truth
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...93701b4164abca

Basic township that's situated upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Basic LSE (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS topics:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm