Hubble Marching orders

h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

:On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:12:12 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Henry Spencer) made the phosphor on my monitor
:glow in such a way as to indicate that:
:
:Uh, Rand, study a bit more history. :-) The first such policy was JFK's;
:the buzzword to look for is "preeminence".
:
:"Preeminence" is not the same thing as humanity expanding into the
:cosmos.
:
:That is exactly how it was interpreted at the time.
:
:By whom?

By everyone who got behind the 'space vision' at the time.

:What's your basis for that statement, Henry? Do you have a cite?

I suspect that Henry was there at the time (as was I) and that was
certainly how everyone who was in favour of space interpreted it.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

In article ,
Fred J. McCall wrote:
:What's your basis for that statement, Henry? Do you have a cite?

I suspect that Henry was there at the time (as was I)...

I was around, but too young to be paying close attention quite yet.
--
"Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer
-- George Herbert |

Jorge R. Frank ) wrote:
: (Michael Kent) wrote in
: :

: "Jorge R. Frank" jrfrank wrote:
:
: As for the remainder of the Bush term, we'll see. NASA's 5-year plan
: called for another 5% increase this year, to about $17 billion. That
: will be very difficult for Bush to follow through on, in the current
: environment.
:
: Didn't NASA Watch quote Sean O'Keefe as saying NASA got the 5%?

: O'Keefe said NASA would get an increase, but no specific figure was quoted:

: http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2005/01/

: "Update: Sean O'Keefe told the audience this morning that the President's
: FY 2006 budget, to be released on 7 February, would contain a budget
: increase, rare among agencies funded under discretionary spending, that
: would continue the Adminstration's[sic] committment[sic] to providing the
: resources required to implement the President's Vision for Space
: Exploration."

: (See, Eric? Now you know the significance of February 7...)

There was nothing on the NASA website about it.

NASA to Bush appears to be part of the Military Industrial Complex as his
focus is strictly on manned spaceflight. Cutting Hubble, which is science,
in lieu of budget increases only underpins that notion.

Eric

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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:34:59 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Henry Spencer) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In article ,
Fred J. McCall wrote:
:What's your basis for that statement, Henry? Do you have a cite?

I suspect that Henry was there at the time (as was I)...

I was around, but too young to be paying close attention quite yet.

Me, too. I certainly remember thinking at the time that we were going
to have moon bases and go to Mars, but I've never seen a Kennedy
speech, or formal policy position to that effect. That some (even
some who were instrumental in space policy) interpreted preeminence
that way still doesn't mean that it was formal policy as it became a
little over a year ago.

(Henry Spencer) wrote:

:In article ,
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
::What's your basis for that statement, Henry? Do you have a cite?
:
:I suspect that Henry was there at the time (as was I)...
:
:I was around, but too young to be paying close attention quite yet.

I've been paying attention since I was little. I remember getting up
at a STUPID hour in the morning to watch the first Mercury shot (I was
in the Far East at the time).

Being at that age during those years was what put so many of us into
science and engineering, I think. They're looking for a way to steer
people into those professions now. There are worse ways than another
big space vision....

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:34:59 GMT, in a place far, far away,
: (Henry Spencer) made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: In article ,
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: :What's your basis for that statement, Henry? Do you have a cite?
:
: I suspect that Henry was there at the time (as was I)...
:
: I was around, but too young to be paying close attention quite yet.

: Me, too. I certainly remember thinking at the time that we were going
: to have moon bases and go to Mars, but I've never seen a Kennedy
: speech, or formal policy position to that effect. That some (even
: some who were instrumental in space policy) interpreted preeminence
: that way still doesn't mean that it was formal policy as it became a
: little over a year ago.

You forget Bush I and his statement about returning to the moon (1989).
The CIA center in Langley bears his name but no NASA facility does.
Perhaps there is a reason for both?

Eric

Fred J. McCall ) wrote:
: (Henry Spencer) wrote:

: :In article ,
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: ::What's your basis for that statement, Henry? Do you have a cite?
: :
: :I suspect that Henry was there at the time (as was I)...
: :
: :I was around, but too young to be paying close attention quite yet.

: I've been paying attention since I was little. I remember getting up
: at a STUPID hour in the morning to watch the first Mercury shot (I was
: in the Far East at the time).

Are you a DOD brat or State?

: Being at that age during those years was what put so many of us into
: science and engineering, I think. They're looking for a way to steer
: people into those professions now. There are worse ways than another
: big space vision....

Hey Fred, we agree! I remember as a kid, in Garmisch, W. Germany, watching
my dad listening to our big Grundig stereo about Glenn's Friendship 7
flight. I'll never forget his intensity and him stating later that I
should be a frogman a NASA recovery team.

I asked him, "why not an astronaut, dad?" And he said, "why not?"
Indeed.

Eric


: --
: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
: man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
: all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
: --George Bernard Shaw

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:29:35 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: :What's your basis for that statement, Henry? Do you have a cite?
:
: I suspect that Henry was there at the time (as was I)...
:
: I was around, but too young to be paying close attention quite yet.

: Me, too. I certainly remember thinking at the time that we were going
: to have moon bases and go to Mars, but I've never seen a Kennedy
: speech, or formal policy position to that effect. That some (even
: some who were instrumental in space policy) interpreted preeminence
: that way still doesn't mean that it was formal policy as it became a
: little over a year ago.

You forget Bush I and his statement about returning to the moon (1989).

No, I don't.

Charles Buckley wrote:
http://www.space.com/news/hubble_budget_050121.html

"WASHINGTON - The White House has eliminated funding for a mission
to
service the Hubble Space Telescope from its 2006 budget request and
directed NASA to focus solely on de-orbiting the popular spacecraft
at
the end of its life, according to government and industry sources."

How about letting the Russians salvage it with our blessing and
cooperation as long as we can pay-per-view use it?

On 5 Feb 2005 23:54:16 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Alfred
Montestruc" made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:


Charles Buckley wrote:
http://www.space.com/news/hubble_budget_050121.html

"WASHINGTON - The White House has eliminated funding for a mission
to
service the Hubble Space Telescope from its 2006 budget request and
directed NASA to focus solely on de-orbiting the popular spacecraft
at
the end of its life, according to government and industry sources."

How about letting the Russians salvage it with our blessing and
cooperation as long as we can pay-per-view use it?

They have no capability to do that.