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#41
November 9th 04, 04:24 PM
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Yu wrote: "Mike Rhino" wrote in message ... "Yu" wrote in message om... As for as Tibet is concern, Tibetans from the mojority in Tibet. They are not being swamped. The Dalai Lama work for the CIA I don't know if the Dalai Lama works for the CIA or not. Given that he was attacked by China, it is logical that he would seek allies elsewhere. I don't know if you are familiar with the history of Tibet. I don't know if you are familiar with Yu. You need to look at what he says very carefully before accepting it. He is full of half-truths and meaningless statements. The Dalai Lama held an important post in the PRC gov. He was the deputy speaker of China's Parlaiment. Yeah, and Mao let him have so much power, I'm sure. Another meaningless statement. In 1954 he even express the wish to join the Communist party of China. When he was 19 years old. And after 1959, then what? --- ... I actually studied Marxist ideology and learned the history of the Chinese revolution. Once I understood Marxism, my attitude change completely. I was so attracted to Marxism, I even expressed my wish to become a Communist Party member...The Dalai Lama (Time Magazine; "Exile;" October 4, 1999; pp. 78,79.) ------- In the 50s US and China fought the Korean war. CIA actively seek out the Dalai Lama to help them sarbotage China's western region. In 1959 they manage to lured the Dalai Lama into working for them. Declassified CIA document showed that CIA paid the Dalai Lama $180,000 a year. 
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#42
November 9th 04, 07:16 PM
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In sci.space.policy Yu wrote:
lid (John Savard) wrote in message ... Recently, the documentary "What's Left of Us" about the desperate plight of the Tibetan people in their homeland was brought to Edmonton. Compared with the other Himalayan states, Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim, Tibetans have the highest living standards. The difference is the Dalai Lama has the funding of CIA while nobody Really? You wouldn't say want to offer proof of it? cares about the 100,000 Bhutanese refugees in Nepal. Supporting the Dalai Lama fit in with the right winger's agenda starting a new cold war with China. If they truely care about the values of human lives they will not be dropping 1000 pounds bomb in Fallujah at night form 30,000 meters. This is utterly different issue. -- Sander +++ Out of cheese error +++
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#43
November 10th 04, 02:56 AM
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Sander Vesik wrote in message ...
In sci.space.policy Yu wrote: lid (John Savard) wrote in message ... Recently, the documentary "What's Left of Us" about the desperate plight of the Tibetan people in their homeland was brought to Edmonton. Compared with the other Himalayan states, Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim, Tibetans have the highest living standards. The difference is the Dalai Lama has the funding of CIA while nobody Really? You wouldn't say want to offer proof of it? Ok, read this UNICEF statistics: Nepal http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/...tatistics.html Per capita Gross National Income: US$230 Life expectancy: 60 Literacy rate: 42 Primary sch enrolement:70% Bhutan http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/...tatistics.html Per catita Gross National Income:590 Life expectancy: 63 Literacy rate: 47 Primary sch enrolement:53% Tibetans (China official statistics; there is no UN statistics on regional China): Per capita GDP: US$307 (Chinese yuan is under valued; the perchasing power is considerably higher ) Life expectancy: 67 Literacy rate: 60 Primary sch enrolement:80% ------------ Tibetan are better off than their Himayan neighbours except that because of the grossly under value yuan the percapita GDP of Tibetan looks less than Bhutan. CIA and Dalai Lama Here is a declassified 1964 document on US Gov website. Dalai Lama was paid US$180,000 a year by the CIA. http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...x/337_343.html excerpt: The cost of the Tibetan Program for FY 1964 can be summarized in approximate figures as follows: a. Support of 2100 Tibetan guerrillas based in Nepal--$ 500,000 b. Subsidy to the Dalai Lama--$ 180,000 c. [1 line of source text not declassified] (equipment, transportation, installation, and operator training costs)--$ 225,000 ----------- cares about the 100,000 Bhutanese refugees in Nepal. Supporting the Dalai Lama fit in with the right winger's agenda starting a new cold war with China. If they truely care about the values of human lives they will not be dropping 1000 pounds bomb in Fallujah at night form 30,000 meters. This is utterly different issue. Most of the lies about Tibet have originated from the Americans. It is therefore important to look at the profile of Americans themselves to discover their motives in spreading these lies? Are they truely interested in human rights or just promoting their own national interest?
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#45
November 10th 04, 03:35 AM
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Statistics from the CCP are both notoriously inaccurate and corrupt.
Extreme cas considert he SARS and AIDS cover-ups not to mention gross understatement of miltary expenditure and all kinds of decietful bull**** from economic performance, human rights denials. Christ the CCP are the MAN U. of lying. In addition, the figures you use to refer to the inhabitiants of Tibet - with Han colinistaion consideration of where the INDIGENOUS oppressed peoples are at. Not aggregate stats. LIES LIES and STATISITCS. The only valid stats would have to come from an indepenedent authority - difficult to do in the CCP dictatorship. "Yu" wrote in message om... Sander Vesik wrote in message ... In sci.space.policy Yu wrote: lid (John Savard) wrote in message ... Recently, the documentary "What's Left of Us" about the desperate plight of the Tibetan people in their homeland was brought to Edmonton. Compared with the other Himalayan states, Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim, Tibetans have the highest living standards. The difference is the Dalai Lama has the funding of CIA while nobody Really? You wouldn't say want to offer proof of it? Ok, read this UNICEF statistics: Nepal http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/...tatistics.html Per capita Gross National Income: US$230 Life expectancy: 60 Literacy rate: 42 Primary sch enrolement:70% Bhutan http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/...tatistics.html Per catita Gross National Income:590 Life expectancy: 63 Literacy rate: 47 Primary sch enrolement:53% Tibetans (China official statistics; there is no UN statistics on regional China): Per capita GDP: US$307 (Chinese yuan is under valued; the perchasing power is considerably higher ) Life expectancy: 67 Literacy rate: 60 Primary sch enrolement:80% ------------ Tibetan are better off than their Himayan neighbours except that because of the grossly under value yuan the percapita GDP of Tibetan looks less than Bhutan. CIA and Dalai Lama Here is a declassified 1964 document on US Gov website. Dalai Lama was paid US$180,000 a year by the CIA. http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...x/337_343.html excerpt: The cost of the Tibetan Program for FY 1964 can be summarized in approximate figures as follows: a. Support of 2100 Tibetan guerrillas based in Nepal--$ 500,000 b. Subsidy to the Dalai Lama--$ 180,000 c. [1 line of source text not declassified] (equipment, transportation, installation, and operator training costs)--$ 225,000 ----------- cares about the 100,000 Bhutanese refugees in Nepal. Supporting the Dalai Lama fit in with the right winger's agenda starting a new cold war with China. If they truely care about the values of human lives they will not be dropping 1000 pounds bomb in Fallujah at night form 30,000 meters. This is utterly different issue. Most of the lies about Tibet have originated from the Americans. It is therefore important to look at the profile of Americans themselves to discover their motives in spreading these lies? Are they truely interested in human rights or just promoting their own national interest?
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#46
November 10th 04, 03:40 AM
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"Yu" wrote in message
om... Here is a declassified 1964 document on US Gov website. Dalai Lama was paid US$180,000 a year by the CIA. http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...x/337_343.html excerpt: The cost of the Tibetan Program for FY 1964 can be summarized in approximate figures as follows: a. Support of 2100 Tibetan guerrillas based in Nepal--$ 500,000 b. Subsidy to the Dalai Lama--$ 180,000 c. [1 line of source text not declassified] (equipment, transportation, installation, and operator training costs)--$ 225,000 Do you have a problem with that? China did, after all, invade Tibet. If someone fights back, is that so bad?
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#47
November 10th 04, 09:38 AM
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(Yu) wrote in message . com...
So when do you put the past aside? If I have the budget of the Radio Free Asia,believe me, I can make the Black/white/asian americans kill each other. Ethnic hatred did not stop in the past and it can be promoted. You may not like to hear this, but USA is promoting it in China. Why do that. China is already doing its best on this score. The Chinese Government has done it's utmost to unite all the inhabitans of Taiwan against China. Not really. There is no communist candidates in Taiwan elections. The ethnic hatred that caome out of it are local. I think aiming missiles and carrying out military invasion exercises is a much stronger message than that provided by radio or standing in an election. Perhaps when China becomes more prosperous and free then the people of Taiwan will want to rejoin. Until then, we should recognise them as a seperate country, just as we recognised the DDR as a seperate country. "Taiwan belongs to Taiwanese" " Rwanda belongs to Rwandan" "Sudan belong to sudanese" It rhymes but think more deeply it all selfish ethnic interest. Are you suggesting that Taiwan, like Sudan, should split into two independent countries? snip Tibet is a very hostile place to live. Hans polulation in Tibet dropped since the 80s. (http://www.flonnet.com/fl1718/17180040.htm see table one.) Many young Tibetans are heading for the lowlands. There are 300,000 Tibetans living else where in China. So you would have no objection to free and fair independence elections in Tibet? The Dalai Lama work for the CIA and most of the Tibet activist organizations are funded by the US and UK gov. This is their propaganda. That would surprise me a lot. Do you have any evidence? Here is a declassified 1964 document on US Gov website. Dalai Lama was paid US$180,000 a year by the CIA. http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...x/337_343.html excerpt: The cost of the Tibetan Program for FY 1964 can be summarized in approximate figures as follows: a. Support of 2100 Tibetan guerrillas based in Nepal--$ 500,000 b. Subsidy to the Dalai Lama--$ 180,000 c. [1 line of source text not declassified] (equipment, transportation, installation, and operator training costs)--$ 225,000 This is ancient history. In 1964, China was a menacing, backward, unfriendly state. Snip list, but NED sounds like a reasonable idea. A bit of democracy would go a long way to improving the lives of billions of people. Tibet House http://www.tibethouse.org/ Declassified CIA document mentioned of how CIA created Tibet House. This about their aims: "Tibet House is dedicated to the proposition that the wisdom and arts of all human civilizations vitally enrich the emerging global culture. Within this, we focus on a special concern for Tibet, its people, its spectacular highlands, and its civilization of extraordinary wisdom and beauty. Tibet's vast high plateau is the size of the United States west of the Mississippi. Its mountain snows give rise to Asia's greatest rivers, sustaining the lives of 40% of humanity. The hidden heart of Asia, it has served during the last thousand years of invasion as the treasury of Asia's most sophisticated spiritual arts and sciences. Yet its precious Buddhist civilization of wisdom, compassion, peace, and harmony is under a real threat of imminent extinction. By presenting Tibetan civilization, its profound wisdom and special art of freedom, to the people of the world, we hope to inspire them to join the effort to save it. Tibet House New York is part of a worldwide network of Tibetan institutions committed to ensuring that the light of the Tibetan spirit never disappears from the face of the earth." Hardly seems unreasonable. Human Rights In China http://iso.hrichina.org:8151/iso/index.adp Received millions of dollars from the US gov. via the National Endowment for Democracy. Board of directors mostly taken from Human Rights Watch. Hardly seems unreasonable.
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#48
November 10th 04, 07:12 PM
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(Yu) wrote in message . com...
lid (John Savard) wrote in message ... Recently, the documentary "What's Left of Us" about the desperate plight of the Tibetan people in their homeland was brought to Edmonton. Compared with the other Himalayan states, Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim, Tibetans have the highest living standards. The difference is the Dalai Lama has the funding of CIA while nobody cares about the 100,000 Bhutanese refugees in Nepal. Supporting the Dalai Lama fit in with the right winger's agenda starting a new cold war with China. If they truely care about the values of human lives they will not be dropping 1000 pounds bomb in Fallujah at night form 30,000 meters. What has altitude got to do with it? Besides, dropping them from 50m would be putting the aircrew's lives at risk, so it's obvious that the US military cares about lives.
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#49
November 11th 04, 02:04 AM
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Depends on. If democracy and freedom have been
hijacked by some jerks, Then they become jokes. "Christopher M. Jones" wrote in message ... Water Barbarian wrote: Well, democracy and freedom shouldn't be jokes. But wheh they are in the hands of jerks, they are. The great truth and great irony of that statement is, I think, completely lost on you. Compared to the vast majority of humans throughout the vast majority of history you live a life of unsurpassed freedom and luxury. Yet you devalue and degrade it. Worse yet, you devalue and degrade the victories of democracy and freedom over tyranny and oppression.
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#50
November 11th 04, 02:44 AM
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(Alex Terrell) wrote in message . com...
(Yu) wrote in message . com... So when do you put the past aside? If I have the budget of the Radio Free Asia,believe me, I can make the Black/white/asian americans kill each other. Ethnic hatred did not stop in the past and it can be promoted. You may not like to hear this, but USA is promoting it in China. Why do that. China is already doing its best on this score. Give examples of how China incite ethnic hatred in USA. The Chinese Government has done it's utmost to unite all the inhabitans of Taiwan against China. Not really. There is no communist candidates in Taiwan elections. The ethnic hatred that caome out of it are local. I think aiming missiles and carrying out military invasion exercises is a much stronger message than that provided by radio or standing in an election. Ethnic hatred in Taiwan is about 50% hating the other 50%. These thing is local. Of course, for the purpose or flamming me you can strech your imagination. Perhaps when China becomes more prosperous and free then the people of Taiwan will want to rejoin. Until then, we should recognise them as a seperate country, just as we recognised the DDR as a seperate country. "Taiwan belongs to Taiwanese" " Rwanda belongs to Rwandan" "Sudan belong to sudanese" It rhymes but think more deeply it all selfish ethnic interest. Are you suggesting that Taiwan, like Sudan, should split into two independent countries? I don't know which direction Taiwan is heading. I do know it's not going to be a happy fairy tale ending that many people imagine. snip Tibet is a very hostile place to live. Hans polulation in Tibet dropped since the 80s. (http://www.flonnet.com/fl1718/17180040.htm see table one.) Many young Tibetans are heading for the lowlands. There are 300,000 Tibetans living else where in China. So you would have no objection to free and fair independence elections in Tibet? When the entire nation is ready, why not. The Dalai Lama work for the CIA and most of the Tibet activist organizations are funded by the US and UK gov. This is their propaganda. That would surprise me a lot. Do you have any evidence? Here is a declassified 1964 document on US Gov website. Dalai Lama was paid US$180,000 a year by the CIA. http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...x/337_343.html excerpt: The cost of the Tibetan Program for FY 1964 can be summarized in approximate figures as follows: a. Support of 2100 Tibetan guerrillas based in Nepal--$ 500,000 b. Subsidy to the Dalai Lama--$ 180,000 c. [1 line of source text not declassified] (equipment, transportation, installation, and operator training costs)--$ 225,000 This is ancient history. In 1964, China was a menacing, backward, unfriendly state. CIA only declassified old files; those over 35 years. Can you do simple addition and subtraction? It will vastly improve your understanding of thw whole subject. Snip list, but NED sounds like a reasonable idea. A bit of democracy would go a long way to improving the lives of billions of people. Tibet House http://www.tibethouse.org/ Declassified CIA document mentioned of how CIA created Tibet House. This about their aims: "Tibet House is dedicated to the proposition that the wisdom and arts of all human civilizations vitally enrich the emerging global culture. Within this, we focus on a special concern for Tibet, its people, its spectacular highlands, and its civilization of extraordinary wisdom and beauty. Tibet's vast high plateau is the size of the United States west of the Mississippi. Its mountain snows give rise to Asia's greatest rivers, sustaining the lives of 40% of humanity. The hidden heart of Asia, it has served during the last thousand years of invasion as the treasury of Asia's most sophisticated spiritual arts and sciences. Yet its precious Buddhist civilization of wisdom, compassion, peace, and harmony is under a real threat of imminent extinction. By presenting Tibetan civilization, its profound wisdom and special art of freedom, to the people of the world, we hope to inspire them to join the effort to save it. Tibet House New York is part of a worldwide network of Tibetan institutions committed to ensuring that the light of the Tibetan spirit never disappears from the face of the earth." Hardly seems unreasonable. You believe those claims? They don't mention one word about their CIA connection. I doubt very much you belive those BS yourself, you however, hope to spread those lies because it's a patriotic thing to do. Human Rights In China http://iso.hrichina.org:8151/iso/index.adp Received millions of dollars from the US gov. via the National Endowment for Democracy. Board of directors mostly taken from Human Rights Watch. Hardly seems unreasonable. Basically, I am telling you the CIA is behind all these Tibet propaganda. To the right wingers this is very good. Lying, assassinations, ploting coups, forging documents are all very decent thing with their up bringing. There are others who care about truth and ask intelligent questions. Where is Sadam's weapons of mass distruction that the CIA claim to have found?
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